skynet1O1 wrote:Excited person right here When does the show officially start?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
RhA wrote:Within the next 4 minutes I'll be able to tell you if I liked it. All I want is more of an actual 'beast hunt' going on, instead of one Predacon getting employed by Decepticons.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Tyrannacon wrote:Saw it. It wasn't bad. It was actually pretty good. I was satisfied with it at the very least.
Except one thing: cool characters. Predaking was awesome, and for sure one the best characters in the series.Sabrblade wrote:The whole cartoon would have benefited from not having any Predacon-related stuff being forced into it.
Predaking himself was cool, yes, but only after he finally transformed and gained a personality. Before then, however, his animal antics and all the bone-hunting just felt like they were forced in for some bare-minimum attempt to make some semblance of sense out of the show's new subtitle, when it was so obvious that Darkmount and the Cyber-Matter were the stories the writers wanted to focus on more. They even took Predaking out of the final battle, with his final scene in the finale feeling like a last minute addition that none of the Autobots expressed any real concern about ("The Predacon!... Oh, well, there he goes.")TurboMMaster wrote:Except one thing: cool characters. Predaking was awesome, and for sure one the best characters in the series.Sabrblade wrote:The whole cartoon would have benefited from not having any Predacon-related stuff being forced into it.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
TurboMMaster wrote:Except one thing: cool characters. Predaking was awesome, and for sure one the best characters in the series.Sabrblade wrote:The whole cartoon would have benefited from not having any Predacon-related stuff being forced into it.
Good thing there's always "Tales of the Beast Hunters" to fall back on.Noideaforaname wrote:These Predacons left no impression on me whatsoever. Such a shame, the 'faction' (as ill-defined as it has been) has always been a favorite of mine, too. The Preds described in that marketing booklet thing, those were awesome, but not the ones in the actual show.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Noideaforaname wrote:These Predacons left no impression on me whatsoever. Such a shame, the 'faction' (as ill-defined as it has been) has always been a favorite of mine, too. The Preds described in that marketing booklet thing, those were awesome, but not the ones in the actual show.
I quess they decide that Predaking is to powerfull to be used in final battle, since Autobots have no mean of eliminate him for good, and using Space Bridge trick again would be ridicilous.Sabrblade wrote:They even took Predaking out of the final battle, with his final scene in the finale feeling like a last minute addition that none of the Autobots expressed any real concern about ("The Predacon!... Oh, well, there he goes.")
I Agree with that...Sabrblade wrote:Doesn't help that they make a movie called "Predacons Rising" that instead focuses on Unicron's rising from the ashes, and only slid in two more Preds who were just generic mooks and a bunch of zombie Preds that could have just as well been made from any other breed of Cybertronian lifeform without anything lost.
As much as pretty much anything in Beast Hunters...It is so painfully obvious that the Predacon angle was just a marketing gimmick thrown in to catch the attention of fanboys/fangirls and consumers, rather than anything necessarily crucial to the main story.
In addition, they removed him from other important events in season 3. They quickly removed him from the final assault on Darkmount so the Autobots/US military could destroy it easily enough, they had him return to the ship in "Chain of Command" so Miko could beat up Starscream with ease, they kept him out of the action altogether for the next two episodes, and when he finally transformed and lost all of his kind, his character arc then took a backseat to the Cyber Matter story.TurboMMaster wrote:I quess they decide that Predaking is to powerfull to be used in final battle, since Autobots have no mean of eliminate him for good, and using Space Bridge trick again would be ridicilous.Sabrblade wrote:They even took Predaking out of the final battle, with his final scene in the finale feeling like a last minute addition that none of the Autobots expressed any real concern about ("The Predacon!... Oh, well, there he goes.")
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Since "Deadlock" was written to be the big series finale, this was written after the fact as a self-contained sidestory. The biggest contributions it gave were Optimus's final sacrifice, Megatron's change of heart, Predaking no longer living a lonely life, Unicron removed from Earth, and the AllSpark finally returned to let Cybertron start making new life again (since, as I argued so many times with so may folks back when season 2 ended, even if they restore Cybertron, it can't create new life without the AllSpark returned).Avensis-Mahiya wrote:Was it just me, or did nothing really...happen? It had the feeling of a 'words are spoken, but nothing is said,' kind of deal. Things were happening, but at the same time nothing was happening. Characters came in, said their lines, did their thing almost mechanically (haha, but you get what I mean.)
Agreed. Most they did was give Predaking some company.Avensis-Mahiya wrote:Also, Predacons Rising? Uh, no. Two more Predacons don't count as 'rising,' writers. They didn't even have that much impact on the plot.
Megatron only "thought" he knew how bad it could feel to be oppressed. Sure, the caste system did oppress him, but he never thought it could be any worse than that. Then, at a point where he'd pretty much reached his all time low and had given up, along comes Robot Satan to really open his eyes to reality with eternal torture and suffering beyond anything he ever possibly imagined. And it took that extent of oppression for him to realize that he had become the very thing he had originally despised so much. The fact that he decided to give up his tyrannical ways after all that shows that he actually learned something: That he had been a single-minded fool for millennia, living a life that made him be no better than the lives of those who once oppressed him all those years ago.Avensis-Mahiya wrote:Megatron's "redemption" just felt hollow and forced. "I now know the meaning of oppression"? What the scrap? You were a miner, the lowest of the low, left to be a slave with no one giving a damn about who you are. You know exactly what oppression feels like. Was that the best the writers or whoever could come up with?
I didn't see a treacherous Starscream in this. If anything, he may have once tried to double-cross the Autobots, but Knock Out double-crossed him instead.Avensis-Mahiya wrote:I did say, at the end of Season 2, that Starscream could very well return to his old treacherous ways, but I expected him to slowly but surely go back, not in the matter of a scene. That, too, just comes out of nowhere. And for me, it's not character development when it smacks you out of left field. WTH?
TV movies tend to be so.Avensis-Mahiya wrote:All in all, it just felt way too short,
Interestingly enough, TVGuide.com has the upcoming Hub premiere of Predacons Rising listed as three episodes incorrectly titled (yet still more appropriately titled) "Chaos Rising" - http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/transformers-prime-beast-hunters/episodes-season-3/308171Avensis-Mahiya wrote:way too rushed and honestly, the whole Predacons thing didn't jive with me at all. They don't seem to have much of a point, really.
But that's just me.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
After seeing it, I'm pretty sure the title is referring to the Terrorcon Predacons, not the 2 new ones who showed up, but I could be wrong (they did all kinda rise from the ground and all )Sabrblade wrote:Agreed. Most they did was give Predaking some company.Avensis-Mahiya wrote:Also, Predacons Rising? Uh, no. Two more Predacons don't count as 'rising,' writers. They didn't even have that much impact on the plot.
I dunno, I think I gotta call BS on that one. Megatron has ordered people (bots mostly, but humans as well) to be executed, tortured and other such delightfully "oppressive" things. He's even attempted (on more than one occasion) the genocide of the entire human race as well as the extermination of all of the Autobots. He raised the dead to serve as his army and had a general disregard for most of those who served under him. I can't see spending 5 minutes or so (okay, a few days, whatever ) being "tormented" by Unicron as being some "eternal torture". I think it was just a cop-out because they had to end the series and for whatever reason, they decided that now in the finale was the time *not* to "kill" any bots (even though there have been some pretty gruesome deaths earlier in the series; Breakdown and Silas for example).Sabrblade wrote:Megatron only "thought" he knew how bad it could feel to be oppressed. Sure, the caste system did oppress him, but he never thought it could be any worse than that. Then, at a point where he'd pretty much reached his all time low and had given up, along comes Robot Satan to really open his eyes to reality with eternal torture and suffering beyond anything he ever possibly imagined. And it took that extent of oppression for him to realize that he had become the very thing he had originally despised so much. The fact that he decided to give up his tyrannical ways after all that shows that he actually learned something: That he had been a single-minded fool for millennia, living a life that made him be no better than the lives of those who once oppressed him all those years agoAvensis-Mahiya wrote:Megatron's "redemption" just felt hollow and forced. "I now know the meaning of oppression"? What the scrap? You were a miner, the lowest of the low, left to be a slave with no one giving a damn about who you are. You know exactly what oppression feels like. Was that the best the writers or whoever could come up with?
Which feels pretty hollow because that's not what us fans have been asking for.xyl360 wrote:After seeing it, I'm pretty sure the title is referring to the Terrorcon Predacons, not the 2 new ones who showed up, but I could be wrong (they did all kinda rise from the ground and all )
Of all the things I could say to respond to this, I think M Sipher put it best when he wrote this:xyl360 wrote:I dunno, I think I gotta call BS on that one. Megatron has ordered people (bots mostly, but humans as well) to be executed, tortured and other such delightfully "oppressive" things. He's even attempted (on more than one occasion) the genocide of the entire human race as well as the extermination of all of the Autobots. He raised the dead to serve as his army and had a general disregard for most of those who served under him. I can't see spending 5 minutes or so (okay, a few days, whatever ) being "tormented" by Unicron as being some "eternal torture". I think it was just a cop-out because they had to end the series and for whatever reason, they decided that now in the finale was the time *not* to "kill" any bots (even though there have been some pretty gruesome deaths earlier in the series; Breakdown and Silas for example).
M Sipher wrote:we really didn't even spend that much time with Megatron, when you think about it. And no, I didn't find his turn out of place...
Here's a dude who's been unstoppable for millennia. More or less nothing has stood in his way outside of cosmic-level stuff... and he's bested even that. Remember how wigged out it was seeing his horrified reaction to the Star Saber? And then he turned around and topped the Star Saber. Broke it. He's come back from death, commands an army quite willing to die for him without a second thought.
Perfect for forming a little bubble around oneself mentally. You are a god. Untouchable.
And then an actual god comes along, and not just any god. Basically robot Satan. And you'd bested him before (with help) and ha ha, this'll be just like the last time OH NO IT'S NOT LIKE LAST TIME AT ALL, IS IT STEVE?!
For most likely the only time in his life, he is helpless, thoroughly and completely unable to end the suffering he's being put through. It is literally impossible for him to fight back in any way, regain even a smidgen of control, physically OR psychologically... and he can't even hope for the sweet release of death, as Unicron has no intention of letting him go. Ever. And the thing that holds him in thrall is also out to obliterate the very thing Megatron started his campaign over in the first place, his homeworld he longed to bring back to glory (sure, a twisted version of glory, but still). AND on top of that, that this dark god suddenly has the means to do so is basically Megatron's fault what with the whole "injecting Dark Energon" thing. Meggy nearly lost EVERYTHING and would have had an eternity to enjoy it as Unicron tormented him for fun.
That'd pop that bubble pretty good, methinks. Give a sudden attack of the empathy. A case of the "this is how YOU are to everyone else".
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
They're stock characters. Archetypes whose personalities go unexplored and undeveloped beyond what is initially known about them. They have as much personality as most of the cast of the G1 cartoon, which isn't a good thing after having come 30 years away from that level of characterization.PrymeStriker wrote:I also don't see why some people are claiming that Skylynx and Darksteel were just a couple of generic brutes. They were minor characters surely, but their character traits are distinct. Skylynx is stubborn and bitter and Darksteel's a chucklehead.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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