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News Credits: 21 · by **Skice** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:39 am

I know why the Transtech line was dropped, but dose anyone know why the G1 continuation was axed. also is there any concept images anywhere, anyone have any?

News Credits: 1 · by **Sherade** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:33 pm

Can you specify a bit more?
I'm happy to help

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:24 pm

I dont understand your question.Transtech was going to be the continuation of Beast Wars/Machines and G1.When they droped Transtech the whole concept of a continuation went out the door....at least for the U.S.

News Credits: 1093 · by **Alex Kingdom** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:30 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I dont understand your question.Transtech was going to be the continuation of Beast Wars/Machines and G1.When they droped Transtech the whole concept of a continuation went out the door....at least for the U.S.

I think that is his question, why did the concept of coninuation go outof the door? Up until Transtech being dropped all TF lines were (sort of) part of the same continuity.

Yours AK

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:50 pm

Alex Kingdom wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I dont understand your question.Transtech was going to be the continuation of Beast Wars/Machines and G1.When they droped Transtech the whole concept of a continuation went out the door....at least for the U.S.

I think that is his question, why did the concept of coninuation go outof the door? Up until Transtech being dropped all TF lines were (sort of) part of the same continuity.

Yours AK

Well the true root of the issue was money.Beast machine's werent a hit as a toyline or a cartoon.Hasbro's head honchoes were just hesataint to but up the capital for the production of a new toyline and CGI toon after the relitive failure of Beast Machines.After evaluwaiting the pro's and con's of the issue the dead line for production had been passed.So they went back to basice's [so to speek] and followed in the footstep's of Takara.....their show Car Robots 2000 was doing quite well as a toyline and a show so Hasbro desided it would save cost's if they were to bring that toyline and show to the U.S. and the westeren market's.

News Credits: 21 · by **Skice** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:41 pm

Mainly i was referring to was this

Raymond T. wrote:TransTech was to be the follow-up to Beast Machines. Primal and Megs from the beasts series were gone. Cheetor was the new leader. From what we know, chracters from Beasts were to be in it. But also G1 Characters like Optimus Prime, Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave and several others Maximals joined the Autobots Predacons joined the Decepticons and the war started up once again.

However, Hasbro turned down this idea and decided to make a G1 continuation instead, to continue on from the Rebirth Cartoon episodes. New Headmasters, Targetmasters and Micromasters were created and it was to pick up where the old show had left off...

News Credits: 972 · by **i_amtrunks** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:09 am

Transtech was all abandoned, and the name given to some role playing Movie toyline toys.... :-x

News Credits: 1 · by **Leonardo** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:29 am

Autobot420 wrote:Mainly i was referring to was this
Raymond T. wrote:TransTech was to be the follow-up to Beast Machines. Primal and Megs from the beasts series were gone. Cheetor was the new leader. From what we know, chracters from Beasts were to be in it. But also G1 Characters like Optimus Prime, Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave and several others Maximals joined the Autobots Predacons joined the Decepticons and the war started up once again.

However, Hasbro turned down this idea and decided to make a G1 continuation instead, to continue on from the Rebirth Cartoon episodes. New Headmasters, Targetmasters and Micromasters were created and it was to pick up where the old show had left off...

Where did this quote come from?

News Credits: 21 · by **Skice** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:44 am

Leonardo wrote:
Autobot420 wrote:Mainly i was referring to was this
Raymond T. wrote:TransTech was to be the follow-up to Beast Machines. Primal and Megs from the beasts series were gone. Cheetor was the new leader. From what we know, chracters from Beasts were to be in it. But also G1 Characters like Optimus Prime, Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave and several others Maximals joined the Autobots Predacons joined the Decepticons and the war started up once again.

However, Hasbro turned down this idea and decided to make a G1 continuation instead, to continue on from the Rebirth Cartoon episodes. New Headmasters, Targetmasters and Micromasters were created and it was to pick up where the old show had left off...

Where did this quote come from?

a thread from this forum

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:08 am

Autobot420 wrote:Mainly i was referring to was this
Raymond T. wrote:TransTech was to be the follow-up to Beast Machines. Primal and Megs from the beasts series were gone. Cheetor was the new leader. From what we know, chracters from Beasts were to be in it. But also G1 Characters like Optimus Prime, Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave and several others Maximals joined the Autobots Predacons joined the Decepticons and the war started up once again.

However, Hasbro turned down this idea and decided to make a G1 continuation instead, to continue on from the Rebirth Cartoon episodes. New Headmasters, Targetmasters and Micromasters were created and it was to pick up where the old show had left off...

From what I know......who ever gave you this is a bit miss informed.It was Takara that had this idea ,not Hasbro.....and we kind a got it.Micron Leagend's [Armada] original treament [Bible] had the serries set a a dirrect continuation of the G1 serries....with the mini-cons being new Targetmasters of a sorts,and there were Headmasters planed for the show,He did get on in Energon with Omega Supreem.It was Hasbro that declined on the idea in favor of a new start with Armada.

News Credits: 730 · by **Raymond T.** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:53 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Autobot420 wrote:Mainly i was referring to was this
Raymond T. wrote:TransTech was to be the follow-up to Beast Machines. Primal and Megs from the beasts series were gone. Cheetor was the new leader. From what we know, chracters from Beasts were to be in it. But also G1 Characters like Optimus Prime, Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave and several others Maximals joined the Autobots Predacons joined the Decepticons and the war started up once again.

However, Hasbro turned down this idea and decided to make a G1 continuation instead, to continue on from the Rebirth Cartoon episodes. New Headmasters, Targetmasters and Micromasters were created and it was to pick up where the old show had left off...
From what I know......who ever gave you this is a bit miss informed.It was Takara that had this idea ,not Hasbro.....and we kind a got it.Micron Leagend's [Armada] original treament [Bible] had the serries set a a dirrect continuation of the G1 serries....with the mini-cons being new Targetmasters of a sorts,and there were Headmasters planed for the show,He did get on in Energon with Omega Supreem.It was Hasbro that declined on the idea in favor of a new start with Armada.

Misinformed nothing. What you are talking about is the production of the cartoon, which was done by AEON animation. The concept of the toyline that went from TransTech to a G1 continuation to lead into what became Armada was a Hasbro project, which was headed by Aaron Archer. The bible you speak of was BASED on this! Aaron Archer himself explained this at one of the panels of a convention a few years back. The story devellopment for Armada (and Energon) was not just by Takara, but was a venture between Takara and Hasbro both.

News Credits: 3 · by **Damolisher** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:15 pm

Yo, this is Raymond T we're talking about. He's like MR T, but dutch. Which means he's all-seeing and all-knowing. (Within the realm of Transformers.) LO

News Credits: 730 · by **Raymond T.** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:37 pm

Damolisher wrote:Yo, this is Raymond T we're talking about. He's like MR T, but dutch. Which means he's all-seeing and all-knowing. (Within the realm of Transformers.) LO

:P I wouldn't go that far, but I do know a thing or two about them cybertronian robots!

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:21 pm

Raymond T. wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Autobot420 wrote:Mainly i was referring to was this
Raymond T. wrote:TransTech was to be the follow-up to Beast Machines. Primal and Megs from the beasts series were gone. Cheetor was the new leader. From what we know, chracters from Beasts were to be in it. But also G1 Characters like Optimus Prime, Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave and several others Maximals joined the Autobots Predacons joined the Decepticons and the war started up once again.

However, Hasbro turned down this idea and decided to make a G1 continuation instead, to continue on from the Rebirth Cartoon episodes. New Headmasters, Targetmasters and Micromasters were created and it was to pick up where the old show had left off...
From what I know......who ever gave you this is a bit miss informed.It was Takara that had this idea ,not Hasbro.....and we kind a got it.Micron Leagend's [Armada] original treament [Bible] had the serries set a a dirrect continuation of the G1 serries....with the mini-cons being new Targetmasters of a sorts,and there were Headmasters planed for the show,He did get on in Energon with Omega Supreem.It was Hasbro that declined on the idea in favor of a new start with Armada.
Misinformed nothing. What you are talking about is the production of the cartoon, which was done by AEON animation. The concept of the toyline that went from TransTech to a G1 continuation to lead into what became Armada was a Hasbro project, which was headed by Aaron Archer. The bible you speak of was BASED on this! Aaron Archer himself explained this at one of the panels of a convention a few years back. The story devellopment for Armada (and Energon) was not just by Takara, but was a venture between Takara and Hasbro both.

It was my understanding that Hasbro left the creative aspect of the devolpment of those 2 shows up to Takara and that Hasbro main input was to insist on Unicron being a part of the show.
But I guess I was wrong thanks for giving me the info.

by **AxiomScion** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:36 pm

Raymond T. wrote:
Damolisher wrote:Yo, this is Raymond T we're talking about. He's like MR T, but dutch. Which means he's all-seeing and all-knowing. (Within the realm of Transformers.) LO
:P I wouldn't go that far, but I do know a thing or two about them cybertronian robots!

I PMed the gold chain wearing Dutchmen about a possible youth center getting shut down over this 'Transtech bussiness' and he came out to save the day with a glass of milk

Thanks for lighting our dark hour Raymond T. :-P

If you think the A-team mobile is something, you should see his minivan... :shock:

News Credits: 730 · by **Raymond T.** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:41 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:It was my understanding that Hasbro left the creative aspect of the devolpment of those 2 shows up to Takara and that Hasbro main input was to insist on Unicron being a part of the show.
But I guess I was wrong thanks for giving me the info.

Yeah, people keep saying that, but that is only in regards to the development of the cartoon show and character/story development, not the toyline itself.

Basically, Hasbro gave the concept. Takara ran with it. Then they send it back to turn their adaptation into a western brand that became Armada or Energon. With Cybertron, Takara was even less involved. For Cybertron, Aaron Archer even wrote the entire storyline. Hasbro send that to Takara, that was turned it into Galaxy Force, who then send it back to be turned back into Cybertron.

The big problem with that was that Cybertron ended up being the translation of a translation of the original concept. One example is Starscream's crown. You can obviously see that the crown holds some sort of importaince and we know that it was a hint back to the original movie. But the movie never made much of an impact in Japan, because it wasn't part of the Japanese Universe and didn't get released in Japanese theaters until the 90's, long after even the HeadMasters cartoon. So for Galaxy Force in japan it held little importance. So when the product came back to the states, much of it meaning was lost by the time it was translated back into english and was dubbed over.

News Credits: 730 · by **Raymond T.** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:46 pm

AxiomScion wrote:I PMed the gold chain wearing Dutchmen about a possible youth center getting shut down over this 'Transtech bussiness' and he came out to save the day with a glass of milk

Thanks for lighting our dark hour Raymond T.

It's not milk. The energon you gave me went sour. :-x

AxiomScion wrote:If you think the A-team mobile is something, you should see his minivan...

It's a brown and orange winnebago...from hell...with flames!

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:04 pm

Raymond T. wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:It was my understanding that Hasbro left the creative aspect of the devolpment of those 2 shows up to Takara and that Hasbro main input was to insist on Unicron being a part of the show.
But I guess I was wrong thanks for giving me the info.
Yeah, people keep saying that, but that is only in regards to the development of the cartoon show and character/story development, not the toyline itself.

Basically, Hasbro gave the concept. Takara ran with it. Then they send it back to turn their adaptation into a western brand that became Armada or Energon. With Cybertron, Takara was even less involved. For Cybertron, Aaron Archer even wrote the entire storyline. Hasbro send that to Takara, that was turned it into Galaxy Force, who then send it back to be turned back into Cybertron.

The big problem with that was that Cybertron ended up being the translation of a translation of the original concept. One example is Starscream's crown. You can obviously see that the crown holds some sort of importaince and we know that it was a hint back to the original movie. But the movie never made much of an impact in Japan, because it wasn't part of the Japanese Universe and didn't get released in Japanese theaters until the 90's, long after even the HeadMasters cartoon. So for Galaxy Force in japan it held little importance. So when the product came back to the states, much of it meaning was lost by the time it was translated back into english and was dubbed over.

Thanks again.......its been a while since I've seen your post's.Its a shame we could have used your input durring the "Tramp Wars".

News Credits: 730 · by **Raymond T.** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:23 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Thanks again.......its been a while since I've seen your post's.Its a shame we could have used your input durring the "Tramp Wars".

Yeah, my internet connection has been rather f'ed up since july. So I'm not much on the net anymore. There are days I can hardly get online at all... Not just my News reporting is suffering, but all my other online activities aswell...

They reset my settings again a week or two ago... It helped somewhat, but my connection is still poor... And my contract with them won't end until June 2008... :cry:

News Credits: 972 · by **i_amtrunks** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:31 pm

Damolisher wrote:Yo, this is Raymond T we're talking about. He's like MR T, but dutch. Which means he's all-seeing and all-knowing. (Within the realm of Transformers.) LO

Well he does pity fools! :lol:

Sure is some interesting stuff regarding the origins and stories of the newer series...

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:32 pm

Raymond T. wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Thanks again.......its been a while since I've seen your post's.Its a shame we could have used your input durring the "Tramp Wars".
Yeah, my internet connection has been rather f'ed up since july. So I'm not much on the net anymore. There are days I can hardly get online at all... Not just my News reporting is suffering, but all my other online activities aswell...

They reset my settings again a week or two ago... It helped somewhat, but my connection is still poor... And my contract with them won't end until June 2008...

Sorry to hear all that but its good to see you back.