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Yea dude, Sonray is right. While he may have been bulkier than Prime, he absolutely WASN'T as bulky as your kitbash is in scale to Classics Prime. The size of the armor around hte torso in relation to his legs makes him look way too squat.

I know, I know, ur gonna say "well it was the only way I could make it while still having a functioning car carrier etc etc etc" but I, like many others, strongly disagree. It's not as "G1 accurate" as you would like if he has the same bodily proportions as Cosmos, ya know?



this is what it should look like, and I think it's very possible

MisterNewUzer wrote:Yea dude, Sonray is right. While he may have been bulkier than Prime, he absolutely WASN'T as bulky as your kitbash is in scale to Classics Prime. The size of the armor around hte torso in relation to his legs makes him look way too squat.

I know, I know, ur gonna say "well it was the only way I could make it while still having a functioning car carrier etc etc etc" but I, like many others, strongly disagree. It's not as "G1 accurate" as you would like if he has the same bodily proportions as Cosmos, ya know?

Nor was he intended to be 100% completely G1 accurate any more than the rest of the Classics line. If you notice, there are a number of changes to his design and armament compared to the original to make it more functional and more powerful, particularly the weapons. On top of that, my reference was never the cartoon. It was the toy and the Dreamwave comics. Also, the original toy did fit the "shoebox with legs" look. Or, more accurately, the "brick". The design is an update of the G1 design, just as the entire Classics line is an update of the G1 line.

Secondly, Armor doesn't increase hieght all that much, though powered armor can increase it some. What armor does is increase bulk, The heavier the armor, the more bulky, and powered armor increases bulk alot. On top of that, you need to consider function, not aesthetics. What is more important with armor, particularly armor that transforms. Also, the cartoons stylize things, and they cheat. They don't show them as they really would be. On top of that, the comic incarnation really is just as bulky, particlularly in More than Meets the Eye #7 and in Age of Wrath.

Tramp wrote:
Nor was he intended to be 100% completely G1 accurate any more than the rest of the Classics line. If you notice, there are a number of changes to his design and armament compared to the original to make it more functional and more powerful, particularly the weapons. On top of that, my reference was never the cartoon. It was the toy and the Dreamwave comics. Also, the original toy did fit the "shoebox with legs" look. Or, more accurately, the "brick". The design is an update of the G1 design, just as the entire Classics line is an update of the G1 line.

Secondly, Armor doesn't increase hieght all that much, though powered armor can increase it some. What armor does is increase bulk, The heavier the armor, the more bulky, and powered armor increases bulk alot. On top of that, you need to consider function, not aesthetics. What is more important with armor, particularly armor that transforms. Also, the cartoons stylize things, and they cheat. They don't show them as they really would be. On top of that, the comic incarnation really is just as bulky, particlularly in More than Meets the Eye #7 and in Age of Wrath.

It's not about the height, its about the proportions. If his torso is as bulky as it is, his legs should be just a bit longer to compensate for its disproportions.

Secondly, you yourself just caused all of your arguments to completely fall apart with the following:

Tramp wrote:
Nor was he intended to be 100% completely G1 accurate any more than the rest of the Classics line.

We can go back throughout this thread and see how you spout on and on about how G1 accurate everything should be, how Qwailo's repaint isn't accurate because its not armored etc. and yet you just admitted yourself into your own defeat.

ALSO, you keep mentioning how the armor "really would be." Now tell me- speaking hypothetically, Transformers are real... are you claiming to be an expert on the technological workings of an advanced robotic species of another world? Because I'm not, but I would assume that there is a possibility that armor on the planet Cybertron consists of elements, metals and alloys Humans are not familiar with, so much different that it may not require as thick layers as we would imagine to offer protection. I would also assume that "powered armor" would be able to interface with the robot wearer to cause for a greater range of control and movement, not just be worn over the "skin."

pretty much what I'm saying is... next time you start throwing out comic citations or anything else where we should see some example (More Than Meets the Eye #7), you should really provide images, otherwise ur points are moot.

MisterNewUzer wrote:

Tramp wrote:
Nor was he intended to be 100% completely G1 accurate any more than the rest of the Classics line. If you notice, there are a number of changes to his design and armament compared to the original to make it more functional and more powerful, particularly the weapons. On top of that, my reference was never the cartoon. It was the toy and the Dreamwave comics. Also, the original toy did fit the "shoebox with legs" look. Or, more accurately, the "brick". The design is an update of the G1 design, just as the entire Classics line is an update of the G1 line.

Secondly, Armor doesn't increase hieght all that much, though powered armor can increase it some. What armor does is increase bulk, The heavier the armor, the more bulky, and powered armor increases bulk alot. On top of that, you need to consider function, not aesthetics. What is more important with armor, particularly armor that transforms. Also, the cartoons stylize things, and they cheat. They don't show them as they really would be. On top of that, the comic incarnation really is just as bulky, particlularly in More than Meets the Eye #7 and in Age of Wrath.

It's not about the height, its about the proportions. If his torso is as bulky as it is, his legs should be just a bit longer to compensate for its disproportions.

Not true bacause armor doesn't change an individual's proportions in the least. All it does, aside form add protection, is add bulk. It doesn't increase length of any body part.

Secondly, you yourself just caused all of your arguments to completely fall apart with the following:

Tramp wrote:
Nor was he intended to be 100% completely G1 accurate any more than the rest of the Classics line.

We can go back throughout this thread and see how you spout on and on about how G1 accurate everything should be, how Qwailo's repaint isn't accurate because its not armored etc. and yet you just admitted yourself into your own defeat.

Once again, not true. It depends upon the intent. Qwailo's intent was to make his Classics Ultra Magnus "more G1 styled". He was trying to make him more G1 accurate in appearance. That was his intent. What he failed to consider was that true G1 Ultra Magnus only looks like that when he is wearing his armor which is formed out of his trailer. He does not look like that when he isn't combined with his trailer/armor. That was my only criticism. His craftsmanship was pretty good, But he can't claim it to be truely G1 accurate, or G1 "style", when it really isn't.

My intent was to take the true G1 design of Ultra Magnus' armor and upgrade it with new weapons and a more articulated design that snapped onto the unmodified base model to fit the Classics line while still remaining true to his G1 roots. I took the origninal G1 design and improved upon it. That is what Classics is.

ALSO, you keep mentioning how the armor "really would be." Now tell me- speaking hypothetically, Transformers are real... are you claiming to be an expert on the technological workings of an advanced robotic species of another world? Because I'm not, but I would assume that there is a possibility that armor on the planet Cybertron consists of elements, metals and alloys Humans are not familiar with, so much different that it may not require as thick layers as we would imagine to offer protection. I would also assume that "powered armor" would be able to interface with the robot wearer to cause for a greater range of control and movement, not just be worn over the "skin."

pretty much what I'm saying is... next time you start throwing out comic citations or anything else where we should see some example (More Than Meets the Eye #7), you should really provide images, otherwise ur points are moot.

All armor is worn "over the skin" Armor is designed to act as protection from damage. No matter the materials, and by its nature adds bulk. Have you ever worn armor? I have. I've worn Army flack jackets, and even full plate armor, and both add serious bulk. They don't add height. On top of that, Ultra magnus' armor does indeed add serious bulk. It has to. Not only to provide the protection; but so that the pieces can fit over the various parts of his body. Also, for Ultra Magnus, so that it can properly transform into a working trailer that the other Autobots can ride on. It has to be a minimum width, which is 2.75 inches between the uprights. That is the required minimum deck width of the trailer deck between the uprights for it to be functional. That is also only a half inch wider than Classics Magnus himself. This gives the armor a quarter inch clearance on either side. That isn't a lot, but it does allow enough space for the other Autobots to fit on the trailer except for Hot Rod's spoiler. it is also the minimum width to allow the boots to attach to his legs once they are separated. The overall minimum width is 3.25 inches, not including the wheelwells. this is the absolute minimum witdh. Everything was measured before and during construction to make sure they fit and worked in both modes. You also can't make him taller and still have it be armor. The only way to make him taller and have longer thighs is to make him combine like Powermaster Prime. Instead of being armor, it becomes a "Super Mode". The trailer would have to have a complete set of fully articulated legs with full thighs knees, hips, etc. It would no longer be armor. The trailer becomes a mech in its own right which Magnus fits inside of like a "submecha unit" that fits in the torso. He becomes the pilot. That is not the same thing as wearing armor.

As armor the trailer breaks down into four main peices: a torso piece with attached "power arms" and breast plate that almost completely encases the robot's torso and arms, boots that attach over the calves and feet, and a helmet that fits over the head. As armor, the maximum height is 8.25 inches. That is an inch and a half taller than his unarmored form, and Optimus Prime. The thighs can't get any longer because they are Magnus' original thighs. They are part of the robot, not the armor. His proportions are those of the original robot, just wearing platform shoes. If you want him taller, you would need to make the trailer as a super mode mech that Mangus fits inside of, which is possible. It wouldn't be armor anymore. I chose armor because that is what it is described as, and shown to be, in the comics. He wears it. he doesn't really combine with it to form a super mode.

If you really want to see just what it took to design and build that armor so that it was functional in both modes without cheating, and what I went through to design and build it, along with other people's comments on it during construction, check out this thread here over at Transtopia: http://www.tfmaster.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6872 and, here is the pic of Ultra Magnus from MtMtE #7


Compare that to this—


Notice the added bulk compared to his unarmored form?

Tramp wrote:On top of that, my reference was never the cartoon. It was the toy and the Dreamwave comics. Also, the original toy did fit the "shoebox with legs" look. Or, more accurately, the "brick". The design is an update of the G1 design, just as the entire Classics line is an update of the G1 line.

I took the origninal G1 design and improved upon it. That is what Classics is.

The Classics line was not just an update it made the figures more like their cartoon selves. It was not just taking the original toy and adding articulation. The Optimus figure is a perfect example with his stylized torso. What you really did was turn a stylized figure into an articulated brick.

Tramp wrote:Not true bacause armor doesn't change an individual's proportions in the least. All it does, aside form add protection, is add bulk. It doesn't increase length of any body part.

Since you followed the Dreamwave theory of Magnus' armor tell me: If the trailer only becomes a skin armor over White Magnus' arms then where do the smokesacks go? And why does the helmet have moving lips when white Magnus doesn't? And for that matter, if you were going by Dreamwave's theory then you should have created the trailer to cover the existing arms and make it true armor. The G1 toy is not really armor because it did not use white Magnus' existing arms or legs. So all your arguments about armor are really pointless since you didn't really make armor either.

Tramp wrote:Once again, not true. It depends upon the intent. Qwailo's intent was to make his Classics Ultra Magnus "more G1 styled". He was trying to make him more G1 accurate in appearance. That was his intent. What he failed to consider was that true G1 Ultra Magnus only looks like that when he is wearing his armor which is formed out of his trailer. He does not look like that when he isn't combined with his trailer/armor. That was my only criticism. His craftsmanship was pretty good, But he can't claim it to be truely G1 accurate, or G1 "style", when it really isn't.

Then Classics Devastator can't claim to be G1 styled because it has only 5 member instead of 6. Or because the original had a mixer truck and this one didn't.

Why do you have to put down other people for making figures the way they like? If you don't like what someone does then just say "don't care for it" and leave. Seven pages of you arguing about armor and what the real definition of G1 styled is just you being petty. Everyone has the right to make a bash the way they want and to call it whatever they want. If you don't like it then you shouldn't be here. We are open minded here and applaud creativity, while you just nitpick details.

Tramp, next time you go to hijack someone's bash thread with your complaining, think about how you would feel if someone hijacked one of your bash threads. And since you are not going to convince anyone here to think like you, you should leave this basher's thread alone now. If you don't feel like getting off of your soapbox then feel free to start your own thread to complain in and leave this basher's thread alone.

And to the basher that started this thread, your bash is good and you have every right to call it a G1 styled Ultra Magnus. I would also like to apologize as a polite member of this board for Tramp' hijacking of your thread. I too know how it feels to have a thread hijacked by him to complain about armor.

Tramp, come and hijack my G1 classics bumblebee thread, i could use some more love in there, even if it might be negative.

Sonray wrote:

Insurgent wrote:That is a damn nice repaint. Well done. Wish I had skills to kitbash, but the best I can manage is repaints and adding some bits from a KITT model to an Alt using good ol glue to pimp it out.

Then you already have the skills, what you need to do is just take them to the next level.

Then perhaps I should rephrase.

I can do basic kitbashes and repaints, but anything more complex or scrathbuilding is beyond me.

Yes, scratchbuild is what I meant to say.

And if Tramp is so obsessed with showing comic proof, someone show a pic of Magnus transforming from his IDW spotlight. The one where the cab retracts and gets covered by teh unfolding trailer to form the body, ie the trailer and cab combine to form teh body with no armour.

Musso (the artist) even went so far as to say in an interview that he delibritly made Magnus without armour. What you see is the normal robot mode. This method of transforming can also be seen throughout season 3 and the movie when Magnus transforms. I'm thinking specifically of return of Prime when Magnus goes up to Rodimus at the memorial statue.

That's all I'm saying on the matter.

Again, very nice repaint but alt mode pics are needed when your camera stops screwing around.

Massdestruction wrote:

Tramp wrote:On top of that, my reference was never the cartoon. It was the toy and the Dreamwave comics. Also, the original toy did fit the "shoebox with legs" look. Or, more accurately, the "brick". The design is an update of the G1 design, just as the entire Classics line is an update of the G1 line.

I took the origninal G1 design and improved upon it. That is what Classics is.

The Classics line was not just an update it made the figures more like their cartoon selves. It was not just taking the original toy and adding articulation. The Optimus figure is a perfect example with his stylized torso. What you really did was turn a stylized figure into an articulated brick.

Actually, that is not entirely true, Look at Bumblebee and Cliffjumper. Look at Mirage. Look at Hot Rod. Look at Prime. look at Grimlock They were all redesigned and updated. They keep the essence of their original G1 toon appearances, but are definately changed and upgraded.

Secondly, a "brick" is a transformer toy with hardly any articulation. It has nothing to do with its shape. G1 Ultra magnus was a "brick because it had no leg or head articulation and very limited arm articulation. Most of the G1 line suffered from this.

Tramp wrote:Not true bacause armor doesn't change an individual's proportions in the least. All it does, aside form add protection, is add bulk. It doesn't increase length of any body part.

Since you followed the Dreamwave theory of Magnus' armor tell me: If the trailer only becomes a skin armor over White Magnus' arms then where do the smokesacks go? And why does the helmet have moving lips when white Magnus doesn't? And for that matter, if you were going by Dreamwave's theory then you should have created the trailer to cover the existing arms and make it true armor. The G1 toy is not really armor because it did not use white Magnus' existing arms or legs. So all your arguments about armor are really pointless since you didn't really make armor either.

Once again, that is not entirely true. G1 toy Ultra Magnus robot legs were indeed inside the trailer legs, so yes, his legs do fit inside the legs of the armor. And, even if you look at the Dreamwave design, which is based off the original toy, you can see clearly that the armor arms are not encasing his robot arms. It would be impossible for them to do so. They are made of the upper deck, just like the G1 toy. The Dreamwave rendering of Magnus has the legs inside the armor legs, the body inside the body and the head inside the helmet just like the toy. It is exactly the same.

Tramp wrote:Once again, not true. It depends upon the intent. Qwailo's intent was to make his Classics Ultra Magnus "more G1 styled". He was trying to make him more G1 accurate in appearance. That was his intent. What he failed to consider was that true G1 Ultra Magnus only looks like that when he is wearing his armor which is formed out of his trailer. He does not look like that when he isn't combined with his trailer/armor. That was my only criticism. His craftsmanship was pretty good, But he can't claim it to be truely G1 accurate, or G1 "style", when it really isn't.

Then Classics Devastator can't claim to be G1 styled because it has only 5 member instead of 6. Or because the original had a mixer truck and this one didn't.

Why do you have to put down other people for making figures the way they like? If you don't like what someone does then just say "don't care for it" and leave. Seven pages of you arguing about armor and what the real definition of G1 styled is just you being petty. Everyone has the right to make a bash the way they want and to call it whatever they want. If you don't like it then you shouldn't be here. We are open minded here and applaud creativity, while you just nitpick details.

Tramp, next time you go to hijack someone's bash thread with your complaining, think about how you would feel if someone hijacked one of your bash threads. And since you are not going to convince anyone here to think like you, you should leave this basher's thread alone now. If you don't feel like getting off of your soapbox then feel free to start your own thread to complain in and leave this basher's thread alone.

And to the basher that started this thread, your bash is good and you have every right to call it a G1 styled Ultra Magnus. I would also like to apologize as a polite member of this board for Tramp' hijacking of your thread. I too know how it feels to have a thread hijacked by him to complain about armor.

My intent was never to hijack anything. Nor, am I putting him down. I made an observation, nothing more, and gave the reasons for that observation. And, for the record, Classics[ Devastator isn't very G1 styled.

insergent wrote:Then perhaps I should rephrase.

I can do basic kitbashes and repaints, but anything more complex or scrathbuilding is beyond me.

Yes, scratchbuild is what I meant to say.

And if Tramp is so obsessed with showing comic proof, someone show a pic of Magnus transforming from his IDW spotlight. The one where the cab retracts and gets covered by teh unfolding trailer to form the body, ie the trailer and cab combine to form teh body with no armour.

Musso (the artist) even went so far as to say in an interview that he delibritly made Magnus without armour. What you see is the normal robot mode. This method of transforming can also be seen throughout season 3 and the movie when Magnus transforms. I'm thinking specifically of return of Prime when Magnus goes up to Rodimus at the memorial statue.

That's all I'm saying on the matter.

Again, very nice repaint but alt mode pics are needed when your camera stops

The thing with Musso's design though is that it is still the combination of the trailer and cab—just like the Titanium G1 Ultra Magnus—not just the cab itself, and that was my only issue about Qwailo's figure. The claim that it was G1 styled when it is only the cab, yet the coloring and styling are of his full combined cab and trailer mode. which results also in a comlpetely non-g1 colored cab vehiclular mode as well. I had the same issue with STPrime's Magnus as well, but he did manage to keep the white cab mode.

Go back and re-read my initial post. This is speicifically what I said

The only problem with it is that the paintjob and styling you gave him is his G1 armored mode that you painted him as, and his armored mode is only with his trailer attached. His straight cab and robot mode is white. He really is a white twin of Prime under his armor. IF you really want G1 accurate, he should remain white and have his trailer/battle armor.

Those were my exact words. Not once did I say it was a bad job. I simply said that if you want true G1 accuracy, the cab by itself should remain white. It is the trailer that provides the "armored appearance" either by being actual armor as the original toy and DW version shows, or as a "combined" robot mode as implied by the cartoon and IDW. In all cases, it is a combination of the cab and trailer that creates Magnus' red and blue appearance. G1 Ultra Magnus cannot transform into that particular robot mode without his trailer in any incarnation.

Other than that one issue, it is a very well done figure.

OH man!
Tramp, the G1 UM was based opon the Superlink version of Diaclone Convoy!
http://thetransformers.net/review.asp?MenuID=64&Skin=1

The DW verion is stialised aswell, ore havn't you noticed the Staypuffed Robots?

That's the original colours for Magnus from the animated movie test footage as well, if I'm not mistaken.

The Master Blaster wrote:That's the original colours for Magnus from the animated movie test footage as well, if I'm not mistaken.

Realy? Were the hell do you get that kind of info? The internet?

Dead Metal wrote:

The Master Blaster wrote:That's the original colours for Magnus from the animated movie test footage as well, if I'm not mistaken.

Realy? Were the hell do you get that kind of info? The internet?

Why yes! How did you know!?

It was on Youtube somewhere.

The Master Blaster wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

The Master Blaster wrote:That's the original colours for Magnus from the animated movie test footage as well, if I'm not mistaken.

Realy? Were the hell do you get that kind of info? The internet?

Why yes! How did you know!?

It was on Youtube somewhere.

Youtube? Ah so i can put my Reconstructed DVD away again.

Tramp wrote:Actually, that is not entirely true, Look at Bumblebee and Cliffjumper. Look at Mirage. Look at Hot Rod. Look at Prime. look at Grimlock They were all redesigned and updated. They keep the essence of their original G1 toon appearances, but are definately changed and upgraded.

Exactly, "essence of their G1 toon appearances". Which is exactly what I said. They are not just updates of their old toy selves. And by the way, saying not entirely true is exactly the sort of nitpicking that I was talking about earlier.

Tramp wrote:Once again, that is not entirely true. G1 toy Ultra Magnus robot legs were indeed inside the trailer legs, so yes, his legs do fit inside the legs of the armor. And, even if you look at the Dreamwave design, which is based off the original toy, you can see clearly that the armor arms are not encasing his robot arms. It would be impossible for them to do so. They are made of the upper deck, just like the G1 toy. The Dreamwave rendering of Magnus has the legs inside the armor legs, the body inside the body and the head inside the helmet just like the toy. It is exactly the same.

Again with the "not entirely true". If you look at the Dreamwave cover that you yourself posted here it clearly shows that the forearm was an empty shell. And even if it wasn't and it was just like the toy, that only proves that it isn't really armor as you constantly claim it to be. Armor goes over the skin, it does not replace body parts.

Tramp wrote:My intent was never to hijack anything. Nor, am I putting him down. I made an observation, nothing more, and gave the reasons for that observation. And, for the record, Classics[ Devastator isn't very G1 styled.

An observation, nothing more. Are you kidding yourself? An observation is making 1 or 2 posts, not arguing for 7-8 pages. That is hijacking. When you make an observation in someone's thread, you need to be willing to have the person disagree with you and move on. Continuing to argue your "observation" is hijacking.

Tramp wrote:Go back and re-read my initial post. The only problem with it is that the paintjob and styling you gave him is his G1 armored mode that you painted him as, and his armored mode is only with his trailer attached. IF you really want G1 accurate, he should remain white and have his trailer/battle armor. Not once did I say it was a bad job. I simply said that if you want true G1 accuracy, the cab by itself should remain white.

You are missing the whole point. You say if you want true G1 accuracy, but he didn't want to be your socalled "true G1 accurate". He wanted it to be exactly as he made it. Kitbashing is about making what you want. If you want armor, fine, but if you don't then that is fine too. Quit pushing your own views on everyone. You said what you felt at the beginning of this thread (as well as in numerous other Magnus bashers' threads). But then you had to keep pushing your view on anyone that didn't agree with you. Even this last post of yours was a continuation of that. So I say to you STOP HIJACKING THIS GUY'S THREAD. If you want to complain about armor, OPEN YOUR OWN THREAD. If you continue hijackinbg this guy's thread then you are just being a jerk to him.

Personally i just think he's trying to defend his lame looking UM bash with all these nitpicking bullshit "facts". Face it, your version looks like a brick (and no articulation has NOTHING to do with it. If something LOOKS like a brick, then its called a brick. It could have all the articluation in the world but if it still looks like a brick then it will be deemed as one no matter what you think) so get the heck over it and shut the heck up!

It's called a brick cos they're the same shape.

The Master Blaster wrote:It's called a brick cos they're the same shape.

QFT

Dead Metal wrote:OH man!
Tramp, the G1 UM was based opon the Superlink version of Diaclone Convoy!
http://thetransformers.net/review.asp?MenuID=64&Skin=1

The DW verion is stialised aswell, ore havn't you noticed the Staypuffed Robots?

Yes, I know that the G1 toy was a recolor of the Diaclone Powered Convoy. Most of the G1 toys started as Diaclone figures. As for the DW version. unlike the cartoon, DW kept the toy version's design of being a white twin of Prime in "command armor", which is what the toy was.

[quote=Massdestruction]Tramp wrote:
Actually, that is not entirely true, Look at Bumblebee and Cliffjumper. Look at Mirage. Look at Hot Rod. Look at Prime. look at Grimlock They were all redesigned and updated. They keep the essence of their original G1 toon appearances, but are definately changed and upgraded.


Exactly, "essence of their G1 toon appearances". Which is exactly what I said. They are not just updates of their old toy selves. And by the way, saying not entirely true is exactly the sort of nitpicking that I was talking about earlier.

That is what an "update" or an "upgrade" means. Keep the aesthetic and base design of the original and improve upon it.

Tramp wrote:
Once again, that is not entirely true. G1 toy Ultra Magnus robot legs were indeed inside the trailer legs, so yes, his legs do fit inside the legs of the armor. And, even if you look at the Dreamwave design, which is based off the original toy, you can see clearly that the armor arms are not encasing his robot arms. It would be impossible for them to do so. They are made of the upper deck, just like the G1 toy. The Dreamwave rendering of Magnus has the legs inside the armor legs, the body inside the body and the head inside the helmet just like the toy. It is exactly the same.


Again with the "not entirely true". If you look at the Dreamwave cover that you yourself posted here it clearly shows that the forearm was an empty shell. And even if it wasn't and it was just like the toy, that only proves that it isn't really armor as you constantly claim it to be. Armor goes over the skin, it does not replace body parts.

Regular armor, yes, powered armor, does both. It directly covers most of the body parts, but can repalce others, usually the arms. That is because that provides added strength for lifting and puts less stress on the wearers real arms.

Tramp wrote:
My intent was never to hijack anything. Nor, am I putting him down. I made an observation, nothing more, and gave the reasons for that observation. And, for the record, Classics[ Devastator isn't very G1 styled.


An observation, nothing more. Are you kidding yourself? An observation is making 1 or 2 posts, not arguing for 7-8 pages. That is hijacking. When you make an observation in someone's thread, you need to be willing to have the person disagree with you and move on. Continuing to argue your "observation" is hijacking.

No,. it is defending th observation every time someone harps on it.I made an observation and got ganged up on for it.

Tramp wrote:
Go back and re-read my initial post. The only problem with it is that the paintjob and styling you gave him is his G1 armored mode that you painted him as, and his armored mode is only with his trailer attached. IF you really want G1 accurate, he should remain white and have his trailer/battle armor. Not once did I say it was a bad job. I simply said that if you want true G1 accuracy, the cab by itself should remain white.


You are missing the whole point. You say if you want true G1 accuracy, but he didn't want to be your socalled "true G1 accurate". He wanted it to be exactly as he made it. Kitbashing is about making what you want. If you want armor, fine, but if you don't then that is fine too. Quit pushing your own views on everyone. You said what you felt at the beginning of this thread (as well as in numerous other Magnus bashers' threads). But then you had to keep pushing your view on anyone that didn't agree with you. Even this last post of yours was a continuation of that. So I say to you STOP HIJACKING THIS GUY'S THREAD. If you want to complain about armor, OPEN YOUR OWN THREAD. If you continue hijackinbg this guy's thread then you are just being a jerk to him.

No, you are missing the point. He himself said he wanted G1 accuracy, and that was the point of his custom. I was correcting him on that fact and got ganged up on for doing so.

Whiner-tron wrote:Where is the alt. mode?

geez man give the guy a break... seriously the coolest kitbash ive EVER seen... great work man.

The Master Blaster wrote:It's called a brick cos they're the same shape.

No. They're called "bricks because they are basically imobile in terms of articulation. Kup was a "brick", G1 Hot Rod was a "brick". Most ot the G1 Diaclone cars were "bricks".

Tramp wrote:

The Master Blaster wrote:It's called a brick cos they're the same shape.

No. They're called "bricks because they are basically imobile in terms of articulation. Kup was a "brick", G1 Hot Rod was a "brick". Most ot the G1 Diaclone cars were "bricks".

Bricks dont have articulation, and are square boxy looking things, so if anything it is both, not just the one YOU say it is.

Tramp wrote:The only problem with it is that the paintjob and styling you gave him is his G1 armored mode that you painted him as, and his armored mode is only with his trailer attached. His straight cab and robot mode is white. He really is a white twin of Prime under his armor. IF you really want G1 accurate, he should remain white and have his trailer/battle armor.

Ultra-Magnus was not wearing an armor, it was part of his bot mode. He never was a white prime naked twin! Where did you get that?
Anyhoo, I think you did a great job on this guy and gave him a great G1 essence.

ptitvite wrote:

Tramp wrote:The only problem with it is that the paintjob and styling you gave him is his G1 armored mode that you painted him as, and his armored mode is only with his trailer attached. His straight cab and robot mode is white. He really is a white twin of Prime under his armor. IF you really want G1 accurate, he should remain white and have his trailer/battle armor.

Ultra-Magnus was not wearing an armor, it was part of his bot mode. He never was a white prime naked twin! Where did you get that?
Anyhoo, I think you did a great job on this guy and gave him a great G1 essence.

Where did I get that? Let's see. The original G1 toy, supported even more by the DW comic. We simply never saw him without the armor in the cartoon. That does not mean he wasn't just like Prime underneath. And, for the record, The DW comic does indeed refer to it as armor. The Weapons and Abilites section of his bio in TF: More than Meets the Eye #7 states:

Magnus has incredible strength, endurance and intelligence. He is an accomplished soldier and hand-to-hand combatant and tactician, not to mention a field commander without equal. His outer armor is equipped with two missile launchers, each capable of hitting a target at a distance of 30 miles, they are usable in both modes. In both robot modes, he wields a powerful laser rifle. In vehicle mode, Magnus' trailer is capable of carrying several mid-sized vehiclular Autobots.

In the on-going series issue #2, page 12, panel 2, this exchange occures—

Ironhide: "Whoa! and back in uniform I see.
Hoist: "Fortunately Magnus protective armor was easily reassembled and--"
Ironhide: "Armor or not...I still can't believe the hurtin' that old One-eye put on you and Optimus. Those energy-suckin' gizmos of his really--"
Prowl: "Hold that thought...Incoming."

It's definately armor formed by the trailer.

We discussed this at Transtopia some time ago and everybody agreed that since the G1 toys are so inacurate to the toon that there was no such thing as a naked Ultra Magnus or a twin Prime or an UM without armor. The trailer is part of his freakin body just like Motormaster per example. It was never shown in the animated series or Marvel Comics without his armour.To think that all these times I saw Ultra-Magnus on TV he was all dressed up!!
DW never was a reference since they made up stories that were never explained in the original series and that so many years later.

It all comes down to which mythology you like to follow.

That being said, pretty much all kitbashes/repaints of canon characters are homeages, OUR takes, OUR renditions of them.

They don't need to be 100% true to the original. They just need to be what the individual creating them sees the character as.

Now can we please quit with this petty bickering? You don't like it, say so and move on. Don't like people criticising the work? Accept it and move on. There's no need for the shoving of opinions down each others throats this thread that this thread has become.