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It should be a close and brutal encounter.

Who takes it?

I think the only advantage Motormaster has is size. Razorclaw is much faster and agile and would carve up Motormaster in a battle. Motormaster's alt. mode is quite useless as well, whereas Razorclaw can fight it in both lion and robot mode. Razorclaw wins.

Assuming Motor maste4r is larger, and more hevily armored... Razorclaw wins.

Now Motor master has a drone Roller car. And a Base mode. and a cyclone rifle and a sword.

Razorclaw has a twin Concussion Blaster and a Sonic Sword.

Razorclaw
Str I Sp End Rank Crg Fpr Skill
8 9 4 9 8 10 7 7

Motormaster
Str I Sp End Rank Crg Fpr Skill
9 6 5 10 7 9 7 4

So MM is a little stronger, Tougher, Faster(?) but RC is Alot smarter and much more skilled (whatever you wanna believe that represents). In a flat out brawl Its a close fight. IF RC can get a drop on MM its not so close but still a hard fight.

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What? Razorclaw's speed is only a 4??? HE'S A F**KING LION! A CAT! How can he be slower than a damn diesel-guzzling 18-wheeler??? All those stats just lost all credibility. Razorclaw FTW. Fatal victory.

Razorclaw wins for sure. But Motormaster is no chump.

and Rod- 18wheelers ARE faster than lions IRL... just sayin

Rodimus Prime wrote:What? Razorclaw's speed is only a 4??? HE'S A F**KING LION! A CAT! How can he be slower than a damn diesel-guzzling 18-wheeler??? All those stats just lost all credibility. Razorclaw FTW. Fatal victory.

I'm sorry if this sounds rude but...........wheres the logic in thinking a Lion can out run a truck???

A lions top speed is about 50 MPH while a truck like Motormaster can reach about 150 mph.

Yes. And most lions are 5-6 feet long and weigh around...500 pounds? This one happens to be a giant robot, so he can't really be counted as just another lion. And in robot mode, Motormaster is big and bulky, whereas Razorclaw is not, so unless his cat-like agility doesn't transfer during transformation, he should be able to outmaneuver Motormaster as well.

Rodimus Prime wrote:What? Razorclaw's speed is only a 4??? HE'S A F**KING LION! A CAT! How can he be slower than a damn diesel-guzzling 18-wheeler??? All those stats just lost all credibility. Razorclaw FTW. Fatal victory.

I wouldn't worry about it, Rodimus.

The tech specs can be real misleading (I don't always rely on them entirely). Sure, Razor's speed is pinned at a mere 4, but compared to say, Starscream, it's easily justified. I guess the tech specs look at the bigger picture, if that actually makes any sense.

'Sides, Razorclaw ain't slow. The guy can run at speeds of up to 90 MPH. That's pretty fast!

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I'm sorry if this sounds rude but...........wheres the logic in thinking a Lion can out run a truck???

A lions top speed is about 50 MPH while a truck like Motormaster can reach about 150 mph.

Yes, a real lion can achieve 50 MPH bursts of speed, but we're talking about a robotic lion. I do believe that they're the exception.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yes. And most lions are 5-6 feet long and weigh around...500 pounds? This one happens to be a giant robot, so he can't really be counted as just another lion.

True enough but Rasorclaws bio takes that into account.

The Bio claims he can run at 90 mph....still far slower then Motomaster.

Plaything wrote:Yes, a real lion can achieve 50 MPH bursts of speed, but we're talking about a robotic lion. I do believe that they're the exception.

"Exception"........maybe but he's still not going to over take a truck.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yes. And most lions are 5-6 feet long and weigh around...500 pounds? This one happens to be a giant robot, so he can't really be counted as just another lion.

True enough but Rasorclaws bio takes that into account.

The Bio claims he can run at 90 mph....still far slower then Motomaster.

Yeah, true. But this is only relevant if Motormaster is trying to run away, because if you go by those stats, Razorclaw's courage is 10 and MMaster's is 9. So it would be he who runs away not Razorclaw, which would also count as victory for Razorclaw. Not fatal, but victory nonetheless.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yes. And most lions are 5-6 feet long and weigh around...500 pounds? This one happens to be a giant robot, so he can't really be counted as just another lion.

True enough but Rasorclaws bio takes that into account.

The Bio claims he can run at 90 mph....still far slower then Motomaster.

Yeah, true. But this is only relevant if Motormaster is trying to run away, because if you go by those stats, Razorclaw's courage is 10 and MMaster's is 9. So it would be he who runs away not Razorclaw, which would also count as victory for Razorclaw. Not fatal, but victory nonetheless.

Nonsense.

With a courage rating of 9 Motormaster would never run away.And I dont say this because I favor him.

Theres just nothing in his bio that suggest he's the type to run.

Any courage rating thats above 6 pretty much negates the possibility of running away.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:With a courage rating of 9 Motormaster would never run away...
Theres just nothing in his bio that suggest he's the type to run.

Any courage rating thats above 6 pretty much negates the possibility of running away.

I agree with both of those statements

Name_Violation wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:With a courage rating of 9 Motormaster would never run away...
Theres just nothing in his bio that suggest he's the type to run.

Any courage rating thats above 6 pretty much negates the possibility of running away.

I agree with both of those statements

You are an honored ally.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Name_Violation wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:With a courage rating of 9 Motormaster would never run away...
Theres just nothing in his bio that suggest he's the type to run.

Any courage rating thats above 6 pretty much negates the possibility of running away.

I agree with both of those statements

You are an honored ally.

praise from sto. Today is good afterall

Name_Violation wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Name_Violation wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:With a courage rating of 9 Motormaster would never run away...
Theres just nothing in his bio that suggest he's the type to run.

Any courage rating thats above 6 pretty much negates the possibility of running away.

I agree with both of those statements

You are an honored ally.

praise from sto. Today is good afterall

It is a good day to die

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yes. And most lions are 5-6 feet long and weigh around...500 pounds? This one happens to be a giant robot, so he can't really be counted as just another lion.

True enough but Rasorclaws bio takes that into account.

The Bio claims he can run at 90 mph....still far slower then Motomaster.

Plaything wrote:Yes, a real lion can achieve 50 MPH bursts of speed, but we're talking about a robotic lion. I do believe that they're the exception.

"Exception"........maybe but he's still not going to over take a truck.

You're right, sto, Razorclaw isn't faster than Motormaster...in his alt-mode. But in his robot mode, Razorclaw, as Rodimus has stated in his first post, is faster and more agile. It's feasible, that during a fight, the Predacon commander would land more accurate and powerful strikes, whereas Motormaster's sheer brutality would lead him to just come out swingin'.

The Stunticon leader can't make practical use out of his truck mode, really. It's not all that manoeuvrable, and I doubt he'd be able to accelerate at a high speed sufficient enough to ram into the agile Predacon.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:With a courage rating of 9 Motormaster would never run away.And I dont say this because I favor him.

Theres just nothing in his bio that suggest he's the type to run.

He's a Decepticon.

So is Razorclaw, but, as I said before, he does have just a bit more courage. But out of the 2 Motormaster would be the one running away, as a stat of 10 counts as perfect, right? Razorclaw has perfect courage, Motormaster does not.

Any courage rating thats above 6 pretty much negates the possibility of running away.

You know this how? I say the only courage rating that negates running away is a 10. And guess which of these 2 has it?

Plaything wrote:You're right, sto, Razorclaw isn't faster than Motormaster...in his alt-mode. But in his robot mode, Razorclaw, as Rodimus has stated in his first post, is faster and more agile. It's feasible, that during a fight, the Predacon commander would land more accurate and powerful strikes, whereas Motormaster's sheer brutality would lead him to just come out swingin'.

The Stunticon leader can't make practical use out of his truck mode, really. It's not all that manoeuvrable, and I doubt he'd be able to accelerate at a high speed sufficient enough to ram into the agile Predacon.

You seem to be making a lot of unfounded assumptions here.

There is nothing, I repeat, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in Razorclaws bio about his speed or agility in robot mode.Theres just no indication that Razorclaw is any more or less "faster or agile" then the average TF.

Furthermore, there is nothing, I repeat, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in Motomasters bio that even remotely suggest hes slow and bulkie in robot mode.Theres nothing to suggest he's any less "faster or agile" then the average TF either.

And not to sound silly but Motormaster wears roller skates in robot mode. so he cant be that slow.

Also....with out knowing what precipitated the fight and the location of the fight its a bit premature to assume that Motormaster wont be able to use his truck mode to his advantage.

Rodimus Prime wrote:
He's a Decepticon.

So is Razorclaw, but, as I said before, he does have just a bit more courage.

A 1 point in courage lead means nothing.....as a mater of fact it could even lead to a lose in a fight.

But out of the 2 Motormaster would be the one running away,

As I said before any rating of courage of 6 band above negates the possibility of the character running away.

Further more theres nothing in MM's bio that even remotely suggests that he would ever run.

as a stat of 10 counts as perfect, right?

Not exactly.It really depends because its subjective.A 10 in courage can be a liability in some cases.

You know this how?

I a careful and extensive evaluation of every tech spec and bio written for every G1 TF.

There isint a single example in any bio of a shread of cowardliness in characters with courage bios stastes of 6 and above with out an indication in the bio.

Meaning if they were ever inclined to run, its mentioned in the bio somewhere.

You do know these fantasy battles are for fun, right? You're taking this waaaaaaaaaay too serious, man. Lighten up.

Rodimus Prime wrote:You do know these fantasy battles are for fun, right? You're taking this waaaaaaaaaay too serious, man. Lighten up.

I know they are for fun...........for me part of the fun is in presenting a well thought out and logical argument.

And FYI, I think Razorclaw would win.....but largely do to his highwe intelegence and skill.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:You do know these fantasy battles are for fun, right? You're taking this waaaaaaaaaay too serious, man. Lighten up.

I know they are for fun...........for me part of the fun is in presenting a well thought out and logical argument.

yet again i agree with sto. the argument is part of the fun. I know why I think so-and-so would win, but why do think whats-his-name would win. then we cite facts for a few pages, do a little more research and we all gain a little knowledge.

Hell, me and my friends liked to play Magic and D&D because we got to argue rules.

I'mma hate the day i don't agree with sto. it will be an argument to the pain (princess bride anyone?).

Name_Violation wrote:yet again i agree with sto. the argument is part of the fun. I know why I think so-and-so would win, but why do think whats-his-name would win. then we cite facts for a few pages, do a little more research and we all gain a little knowledge.

Hell, me and my friends liked to play Magic and D&D because we got to argue rules.

I'mma hate the day i don't agree with sto. it will be an argument to the pain (princess bride anyone?).

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:And not to sound silly but Motormaster wears roller skates in robot mode. so he cant be that slow..

just to match that statement

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:And not to sound silly but Motormaster wears roller skates in robot mode. so he cant be that slow.

There is nothing, I repeat, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in Motormaster's bio, cartoon, or comic appearances that remotely suggests he can use his wheels in robot mode for added speed.

In the future let's avoid these unfounded assumptions so we can have a logical argument.....

DinobotKing wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:And not to sound silly but Motormaster wears roller skates in robot mode. so he cant be that slow.

There is nothing, I repeat, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in Motormaster's bio, cartoon, or comic appearances that remotely suggests he can use his wheels in robot mode for added speed.

In the future let's avoid these unfounded assumptions so we can have a logical argument.....

I guess you missed the smiley face?????

In most cases people use them to indicate a "light hearted statement" that should be taken in jest.

But do believe I saw a omic appearance where he was seen "rolling" on those wheels in robot mode.

I'll try to look it up when I heel up.