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Cyberstrike wrote:
Uhg multiverses.

Just go here for a better understanding. It's a much neater organizational system than it sounds like.

Cyberstrike wrote:Just what the Transformers needed a multiverse gestalt.

Just what exactly is you're problem with the multiverse? Since day one, there has been more than one fictional universe in the Transformers lore (the G1 cartoon and the G1 Marvel Comics). It's not like this is anything new.

Sabrblade wrote:

Cyberstrike wrote:
Uhg multiverses.

Just go here for a better understanding. It's a much neater organizational system than it sounds like.

Cyberstrike wrote:Just what the Transformers needed a multiverse gestalt.

Just what exactly is you're problem with the multiverse? Since day one, there has been more than one fictional universe in the Transformers lore (the G1 cartoon and the G1 Marvel Comics). It's not like this is anything new.

True, but as a basic story concept it's a headache to keep track of everything and everyone is at and it comes off as a closet to keep old, outdated, stupid, dumb, and bad ideas around. Also I really don't like how just about every other multiverse (and in particular DC and Marvel) have pretty used and abused the concept it in the past.

Cyberstrike wrote:True, but as a basic story concept it's a headache to keep track of everything and everyone is at and it comes off as a closet to keep old, outdated, stupid, dumb, and bad ideas around. Also I really don't like how just about every other multiverse (and in particular DC and Marvel) have pretty used and abused the concept it in the past.

Well, it's an even bigger headache trying to fit everything into a single timeline that has everyone with the same name being the same bot (save for a few exceptions), when everything official is canon yet so many contradictions and controversies exist between them.

If done right you could create a single Universe with the The Transformers G1/G2, Robotix, Go-Bots, and The Rock Lords all existing in it. My biggest gripe with the Multiverse is Hasbro trying to throw series with no connection to the Transformers' concept into the mix like Jem and the Holograms and The Inhumanoids. I can buy G.I. Joe, Go-Bots, and Robotix being in a shared universe and/or multiverse.

I might be able to accept The Inhumanoids (IMHO they would go better with G.I. Joe) but Jem and the Holograms?

I'm sorry but for some weird reason my imagination can't accept that Jem's supercomputer, Synergy, is a Vector Sigma node or that Jem's holographic technology is from Cybertron. It doesn't gel with either concept IMHO.

Cyberstrike wrote:If done right you could create a single Universe with the The Transformers G1/G2, Robotix, Go-Bots, and The Rock Lords all existing in it.

Except that there are many diverse interpretations of G1 (cartoon, Marvel comics, Marvel UK comics, DW comics, IDW comics, manga, story pages, books, etc.) and G2 (Marvel Comics, Fleetway comics, standalone manga, pack-in manga, story pages, etc.) all coexisting with each other as official canon material, despite all the incongruities and incompatibilities between many/most of them.

The damage has already been done, and we can't do anything to change it. We can only accept them as the separate realities that they are.

Cyberstrike wrote:My biggest gripe with the Multiverse is Hasbro trying to throw series with no connection to the Transformers' concept into the mix like Jem and the Holograms and The Inhumanoids. I can buy G.I. Joe, Go-Bots, and Robotix being in a shared universe and/or multiverse.

That was Jim Sorenson and Bill Forster who did all that. All Hasbro did was give them the "Okay" to go.

Besides, the main reason that G.I. Joe, Jem, Inhumanoids and C.O.P.S. (you forgot that one) were added in with the G1 cartoon was because there were some references to all five of them placed in each show. Fans had theorized for years that these five had some connection (a la the DC Animated Universe cartoons and/or the Marvel Animated Universe cartoons), it was only just now made official.

Cyberstrike wrote:I might be able to accept The Inhumanoids (IMHO they would go better with G.I. Joe) but Jem and the Holograms?

I'm sorry but for some weird reason my imagination can't accept that Jem's supercomputer, Synergy, is a Vector Sigma node or that Jem's holographic technology is from Cybertron. It doesn't gel with either concept IMHO.

What? Who said anything about Jem's tech being Cybertronian? All that was ever said about Jem being tied with the G1 cartoon was just that, and nothing more.


As for why Robotix is on its own, it's because the Protectons and the Terrakors are Skalorr's equivalents of the Autobots and Decepticons, just as the Guardians and Renegades of GoBots are the Gobotronian Autobots and Decepticons (and Gobotron is that world's form of Primus).

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Also the show wasn't too bad, however I find it hilarious that Frank Welker voiced the good guy leader while Peter Cullen did the voice for the bad guy leader.

But Argus was voiced by Arthur Burghardt, not Frank Welker.

However, Welker did voice Tyrannix, the "Starscream" of the Terrakors. Now that is funny.

Couldn't agree more . Nice to see that Cullen did more villain characters other than Venger back then. I not knockin him by any means but it's nice.

Sabrblade wrote:

Cyberstrike wrote:If done right you could create a single Universe with the The Transformers G1/G2, Robotix, Go-Bots, and The Rock Lords all existing in it.

Except that there are many diverse interpretations of G1 (cartoon, Marvel comics, Marvel UK comics, DW comics, IDW comics, manga, story pages, books, etc.) and G2 (Marvel Comics, Fleetway comics, standalone manga, pack-in manga, story pages, etc.) all coexisting with each other as official canon material, despite all the incongruities and incompatibilities between many/most of them.

The damage has already been done, and we can't do anything to change it. We can only accept them as the separate realities that they are.

DC did create a single universe in Crisis on Infinte Earths. Or you can create an all new one and make sure it has NO connection to any previous version and that the TransTech characters unable to detect it.

Sabrblade wrote:

Cyberstrike wrote:My biggest gripe with the Multiverse is Hasbro trying to throw series with no connection to the Transformers' concept into the mix like Jem and the Holograms and The Inhumanoids. I can buy G.I. Joe, Go-Bots, and Robotix being in a shared universe and/or multiverse.

That was Jim Sorenson and Bill Forster who did all that. All Hasbro did was give them the "Okay" to go.

Besides, the main reason that G.I. Joe, Jem, Inhumanoids and C.O.P.S. (you forgot that one) were added in with the G1 cartoon was because there were some references to all five of them placed in each show. Fans had theorized for years that these five had some connection (a la the DC Animated Universe cartoons and/or the Marvel Animated Universe cartoons), it was only just now made official.

I think you just proved my point.

Cyberstrike wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Cyberstrike wrote:If done right you could create a single Universe with the The Transformers G1/G2, Robotix, Go-Bots, and The Rock Lords all existing in it.

Except that there are many diverse interpretations of G1 (cartoon, Marvel comics, Marvel UK comics, DW comics, IDW comics, manga, story pages, books, etc.) and G2 (Marvel Comics, Fleetway comics, standalone manga, pack-in manga, story pages, etc.) all coexisting with each other as official canon material, despite all the incongruities and incompatibilities between many/most of them.

The damage has already been done, and we can't do anything to change it. We can only accept them as the separate realities that they are.

DC did create a single universe in Crisis on Infinte Earths. Or you can create an all new one and make sure it has NO connection to any previous version and that the TransTech characters unable to detect it.

Yes they melted the multiverse and replaced it with a new "reborn" single universe, however, the multiverse was brought back because geeks are DC's main customers and geeks love complex multiverses with canon and continuity.

DC quantum math lesson 1:
Crossover with Crisis in title or subtitle = Massive revisions and/or rebooting of the Legion of Super-Heroes books.

The toys were really cool. I had two sets of them when I was a kid.

The show and comics are F'ing junk. But those toys...awesome.

Edit: I think the Allspark Alminac references the planet Nintendoo64. So, apparently the What-if world from Futurama is included in the Transformers mythos.

Counterpunch wrote:Edit: I think the Allspark Alminac references the planet Nintendoo64. So, apparently the What-if world from Futurama is included in the Transformers mythos.

That was an in-joke, not to be taken seriously.

The previously-mentioned retcons came from both Vector Prime himself in the "Ask Vector Prime" segments of the book and in the multiversal newspaper Alternity Today.

There mainly two different kinds of references in these books. Fan nods/in-jokes that act as easter eggs/fanwank and nothing more, and serious information that officially adds into the Transformers (Animated or otherwise) lore.

Sabrblade wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:Edit: I think the Allspark Alminac references the planet Nintendoo64. So, apparently the What-if world from Futurama is included in the Transformers mythos.

That was an in-joke, not to be taken seriously.

The previously-mentioned retcons came from both Vector Prime himself in the "Ask Vector Prime" segments of the book and in the multiversal newspaper Alternity Today.

There mainly two different kinds of references in these books. Fan nods/in-jokes that act as easter eggs/fanwank and nothing more, and serious information that officially adds into the Transformers (Animated or otherwise) lore.

I think that's a thin and arbitrary line to be drawn. One man's easter egg and fanwank is another man's rage-o-hol.

Counterpunch wrote:I think that's a thin and arbitrary line to be drawn. One man's easter egg and fanwank is another man's rage-o-hol.

Yeah, it's kinda tricky to put into actual words. But once one reads into these books, it's not that difficult to tell the difference, knowing, of course, that these books are in full favor of the multiverse and universal stream concepts and are not attempting to fully blend entire worlds together, but rather are giving different worlds similar aspects (like the Unknown Locale having its own floating island and standing stones, instead of those being the same as those seen in Beast Wars).

There was a rumor awhile back on the IDW boards that the company, in the aftermath of the upcoming CHAOS !story arc in TRANSFORMERSthat IDW was looking to mix another Hasbro franchise with the Robots In Disguise. With all the talk of Gorlam Prime in the early issues of the IDW run, and Hearts of Darknessof organics going bio-tech. The Robotixfranchise with the Protectons and Terrakors downloading their minds into machines. They do go with the theme that I mentioned.

But they totally Did do that. its called thee Aligned Continuity (for want of a better term). Jez have you EVER been to the tfwiki?

Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:But they totally Did do that. its called thee Aligned Continuity (for want of a better term). Jez have you EVER been to the tfwiki?

Who are you directing this to?