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Glyph wrote:Not just Nickelodeon - this got some discussion around the WGA/SAG-AFTRA strikes, with Netflix being particularly called out at the time IIRC. Seems it's a known tactic by the streamers to get around production crew pay scaling in the standard contracts. (Not saying it's necessarily at issue here.)Sabrblade wrote:But, neither Prime nor Cyberverse ever aired on Nickelodeon.chuckdawg1999 wrote:I just learned this recently with all the drama around Nickelodeon, if a show is going to go 3 or more seasons...
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
D-Maximal_Primal wrote: It just feels like it was always meant to be lowly advertised and just run its course
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
First-Aid wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote: It just feels like it was always meant to be lowly advertised and just run its course
This is it, exactly. The show is disposable and, in the end, will contribute absolutely nothing to the mythos of Transformers. The only reason it is there is to sell Optimus and Bumblebee toys and it's even failing at that. The success of the first decade of Marvel movies was that they built towards an inevitable climax (the "Portals" scene...I still get chills when I watch it). This is piecemeal, and eminently ignorable. There is no build. There is nothing going forward, they aren't writing towards some long term climax. It's just...there. If the goal is to build brand recognition, then I'm not even sure they are doing that because of the lack of availability to watch.
If you want success evaluation, TelevisionStats.com has it listed 800 spots below Golden Girls reruns, the original Law and Order reruns, and 750 spots below Family Matters reruns. The show's engagement score is 0.59. By contrast, the number 1 show right now, X-Men 97, has an engagement score of 57.2 If there were still only the normal number of cable networks, this show wouldn't have have even MADE it to season 2, let alone season 3. In order to make the top 200, you need a score of 2.93. It barely makes the top 1000, let alone the top 200 and has NEVER peaked into the top 500. That's failure.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:First-Aid wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote: It just feels like it was always meant to be lowly advertised and just run its course
This is it, exactly. The show is disposable and, in the end, will contribute absolutely nothing to the mythos of Transformers. The only reason it is there is to sell Optimus and Bumblebee toys and it's even failing at that. The success of the first decade of Marvel movies was that they built towards an inevitable climax (the "Portals" scene...I still get chills when I watch it). This is piecemeal, and eminently ignorable. There is no build. There is nothing going forward, they aren't writing towards some long term climax. It's just...there. If the goal is to build brand recognition, then I'm not even sure they are doing that because of the lack of availability to watch.
If you want success evaluation, TelevisionStats.com has it listed 800 spots below Golden Girls reruns, the original Law and Order reruns, and 750 spots below Family Matters reruns. The show's engagement score is 0.59. By contrast, the number 1 show right now, X-Men 97, has an engagement score of 57.2 If there were still only the normal number of cable networks, this show wouldn't have have even MADE it to season 2, let alone season 3. In order to make the top 200, you need a score of 2.93. It barely makes the top 1000, let alone the top 200 and has NEVER peaked into the top 500. That's failure.
Part of that too is that X-men 97 was a damn good show that also ran on probably the #1 streaming service. Earthspark is good, but not damn good, if you will.
I would be curious on Televisionstats, if there is any correlation to streaming services and scores. Even if Earthspark was on Netflix, I think there would be more traction
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I would be curious on Televisionstats, if there is any correlation to streaming services and scores. Even if Earthspark was on Netflix, I think there would be more traction
o.supreme wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I would be curious on Televisionstats, if there is any correlation to streaming services and scores. Even if Earthspark was on Netflix, I think there would be more traction
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:It's interesting that it peaked in May 2023, the middle part of season 1 released in March, and the last part in late July, and funny thing is, Nickelodeon aired the season 1 finale 9 months after paramount.
Beast Wars only had 52 episodes, the same number as Armada, Energon, and Cybertron. G1 was the longest series at 98 episodes before both Rescue Bots and Rescue Bots Acadmay overtook it with 104 episodes each. And even then, Prime, RID 2015, and Cyberverse all had more episodes than Beast Wars, being 68, 71, and 70, respectively.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:First point to make, I believe Rescue Bots is the longest running Transformers series. Supplanting Beast Wars' prior top spot.
The shortest was Zone, being a single episode. And even then, several one-season shows have had fewer episodes that Car Robots's 39:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The shortest was Car Robots, at one season.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Secondly, animation is expensive. CG animation is expensive. Shows like Young Justice should have demonstrated that toys aren't a practical metric for gauging a show's engagement in modern times. Toys aren't the most widespread form of entertainment for kids anymore. But sadly, that lesson still falls on deaf ears.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
o.supreme wrote:darn, Sabre beat me with the stats....![]()
o.supreme wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Secondly, animation is expensive. CG animation is expensive. Shows like Young Justice should have demonstrated that toys aren't a practical metric for gauging a show's engagement in modern times. Toys aren't the most widespread form of entertainment for kids anymore. But sadly, that lesson still falls on deaf ears.
But anyway, while I agree toy sales (or lack thereof), should not be the metric to determine the success/fate of a TV show. I don't think that's the case here. This isn't 2002-2012 CN that was killing good shows Left and Right. While I don't think the toys are selling especially well, I'm pretty sure the decision to cancel and move on (if in fact that is what's happening), has mostly to do with the sale of eOne, and the desire not to make any further episodes after what was contracted from the beginning.
By that same logic the Unicron Trilogy still has more with its combined episode total being 156, compared to Beast Wars and Beast Machines totaling out to 78, which is also still twenty episodes less than the G1 cartoon on its own.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I knew I should have chosen my words better, in hindsight. Before the pedantry started. Beast Era, not just denoting it all as Beast Wars.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Glyph wrote:>:oP
Yes, that is definitely what is happening, A+ take, excellent commentary.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:o.supreme wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I would be curious on Televisionstats, if there is any correlation to streaming services and scores. Even if Earthspark was on Netflix, I think there would be more traction
It's interesting that it peaked in May 2023, the middle part of season 1 released in March, and the last part in late July, and funny thing is, Nickelodeon aired the season 1 finale 9 months after paramount.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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