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My version of these little guys...Perfect Effect Shadow Warrior(PE-01)....For me, Red/Black = Frenzy...Blue = Rumble...G1 cartoon rules!!!
Sorry for the bad pictures, will take better pics and Rumble's photos and post them tomorrow...for now...frenzy!! once again...G1 cartoon rules!!!

Very nice work, even If I think you've named them wrong.

Nice work getting the colors in the right shades, and I like how you did the back weapons. Any chance you'll post the alt-mode images to se how the colors flow to that mode?

Epic win! i was waiting for some one to repaint them. Black just does not fit this guy. nice job.

Uhhhh *wets pants*. Nice stuff mate. I can't wait for the common release of this by PE.

Great job, man! RIBFIR is in full force! When I find my camara, I'll post mine.

Editor wrote:Very nice work, even If I think you've named them wrong.
Nice work getting the colors in the right shades, and I like how you did the back weapons. Any chance you'll post the alt-mode images to se how the colors flow to that mode?

thanks...i named them according to the G1 cartoon series rather than the toy series which i my terms is the correct version.

Will try to get some alt modes pics going but the alt modes are in the form of weapons for city commander, not cassettes so they dont really fit the G1 scheme...

icenemesis wrote:Epic win! i was waiting for some one to repaint them. Black just does not fit this guy. nice job.

thanks for the compliments!

Blurrz wrote:Uhhhh *wets pants*. Nice stuff mate. I can't wait for the common release of this by PE.

You mean PE's going to release these in G1 colors?

zodconvoy wrote:Great job, man! RIBFIR is in full force! When I find my camara, I'll post mine.

thanks! looking forward to seeing your rendition!!

Great job man! You're right, the origin for their names came from the cartoon series, you can't argue that because it was first. Anything else comes second and second place is first loser.

Shadow CMNDR wrote:Great job man! You're right, the origin for their names came from the cartoon series, you can't argue that because it was first. Anything else comes second and second place is first loser.

full of fail. Sorry for the rant in your thread zfeakye, I try to avoid this argument but that statement needs addressing.

The names were established before the toys came out, and the toys were released before the TV show started. Frenzy and Lazerbeak were the 3 and 4 toys I got, Frenzy was Blue, like almost every edition of him. Thus I support FIBRIR. The animators stated they screwed it up, and the Japanese release corrected it for their run. If you want to believe for your personal collection that FIRRIB as zfeakye has done then go ahead, and I support anyone who wants to treat things that way, but don't try to support a stance using flawed information.

Check here. Please note the table listing the color appearances in order and note the Cartoon is the fourth on the list, and that beyond the cartoon, 'Blue' Rumble only shows up in a side comic and a cartoon inspired statue.

Very nice work man! I believe you made a vast improvement on these toys by repainting them! Did you use acrylics or testors?

Editor wrote:

Shadow CMNDR wrote:Great job man! You're right, the origin for their names came from the cartoon series, you can't argue that because it was first. Anything else comes second and second place is first loser.

full of fail. Sorry for the rant in your thread zfeakye, I try to avoid this argument but that statement needs addressing.

The names were established before the toys came out, and the toys were released before the TV show started. Frenzy and Lazerbeak were the 3 and 4 toys I got, Frenzy was Blue, like almost every edition of him. Thus I support FIBRIR. The animators stated they screwed it up, and the Japanese release corrected it for their run. If you want to believe for your personal collection that FIRRIB as zfeakye has done then go ahead, and I support anyone who wants to treat things that way, but don't try to support a stance using flawed information.

Check here. Please note the table listing the color appearances in order and note the Cartoon is the fourth on the list, and that beyond the cartoon, 'Blue' Rumble only shows up in a side comic and a cartoon inspired statue.

With all due respect, I still disagree because I read that Hasbro 'bought' out Takara's original toy line (hence the toys before the cartoon) but they weren't branded 'Transformers' until after Hasbro bought the line. Under Takara, they were called Microman, Mecha, and Diaclone. Later after Hasbro bought the line (which included naming rights) they were then called Transformers and Frenzy and Rumble were introduced in the tv series. Whether they were named by mistake or not, the facts remain that their names were Frenzy and Rumble in the cartoon series to the colors listed in this thread. Once something is done, mistake or not, it's pretty much permanent.

I am not trying to be an ass here, but if your argument is based on stuff you've read then you might want to go back and recheck some of the wording. I do understand where you are coming from but allow me to try and expand using known facts. The course of events follows pretty much like this:

-- Original toys come out in Japan under their respected original brands. These were not characters but vehicles and tools.
-- Hasbro in partnership with Takara acquires the rights to some of their properties for use outside of Japan and assembles from those various items, their new line in development. While the majority of molds came from Takara, some came from other licenses, that Hasbro also acquired.
-- Hasbro knowing they need a story and a way to use these properties, enter into sessions with talent at Marvel Comics. (much as they had done with G.I.Joe) In these sessions, the creative talent came up with the basis for the original conflict, who was on which side, what their personalities were, cybertron and why were they coming to earth, the whole works. and discussions for Marvel to produce comics and with their parnership with Sunbow to produce the cartoon.
-- Once things moved beyond concept and into preperations for the launch of the Transformers brand, Hasbro started to produce the original art, packaging, ad spots, and such. For the characters in question the Blue Robot was packaged with the Red Condor sporting the names Frenzy and Laserbeak. The Red robot was packaged with a Black Panther sporting the names Rumble and Ravage.
-- Early 1984. The toys are released. FIBRIR
-- May 8, 1984. The first issue of the Transformers mini series from Marvel Comics is released. Working from the concepts from the original meetings they follow FIBRIR.
-- September 17, 1984. Where the whole debate starts. The first episode of the G1 Cartoon is aired. Due to a mistake, the animators miscolor Rumble. hence RIBFIR.
-- 1985. Takara seeing the success Hasbro has had, re-releases their items under the Transformers banner. The Red Robot is dubbed Rumble (or Ramble) while the Blue is Frenzy. The cartoon is dubbed and edited for Japan under the title Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers. They follow the original production bibles, and Frenzy is the robot of choice while Rumble shows up once in a while.

All thru this from 1984 to today, Hasbro has always maintained Rumble was the Red and Black Robot while Frenzy is the Blue shaded one. Every toy produced by both Hasbro and Takara have followed FIBRIR, from re-issues to Alternators and Robot Heroes. That is pretty frakin' permanent.

Once again, if you personally feel Rumble is Blue, that's fine. But if you want to argue the facts, well the details are available, and facts don't lie.

As for these customs, they look great! If he wants to call them by their toon names and colors, so be it. I dig the look of the molds on these, but the paint apps make it look so much better. You brought out a lot of great detail and you did a great job, especially for the size they are.

How 'bout everyone leave that petty a$$ argument behind? We all have our own opinions on which is which (I loved the G1 toon, so I go by that, plain and simple--and I don't attack someone who believes that Frenzy is blue or Rumble is red--it's their choice or personal opinion, regardless of facts). I could care less who was named first on paper or any of that BS. It may be true or fact, but if I wanted, I could call my Optimus Prime "Joe Blow" if I wanted to. It's MINE.

I, for one, am tired of seeing the same retarded argument on EVERY TF forum known to man. When I want to see a cool custom, I don't start quoting facts or telling someone they're wrong. I view the custom and give honest feedback, good or bad. So let's leave this Rumble & Frenzy argument for an actual discussion forum. Hell, truth be told, these aren't even "Frenzy" or "Rumble".....they're customs created whose bot modes are made to look like the G1 versions, but they aren't named them (for obvious reasons) and they certainly aren't cassettes. So why argue names when there are other issues in play also? You name yours as you see fit and let him name his as he sees fit. He stated his reasons for naming them as he did, so there should be NO questioning or arguing on it. He gave his personal opinion and it's valid, in MY opinion.

Hey guys relax! i think it's just a matter of perception.
For me i prefer Rumble is blue and frenzy is red because i grew up watching the G1 cartoon more than playing with the G1 toy, so even if Hasbro says Rumble is red...so it's all just how you look at it...cheers!!

For what little it's worth, since both of their powers are so similar, I just pull a little from "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead" and have them swap names regularly just to piss other folks off.

Soundwave knows, of course, but you try getting him to give you a straight answer some time...

Back on topic, these two look really sweet in color.

These fellas are now on ebay!! cheers!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230447147433&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

Editor wrote:I am not trying to be an ass here, but if your argument is based on stuff you've read then you might want to go back and recheck some of the wording. I do understand where you are coming from but allow me to try and expand using known facts. The course of events follows pretty much like this:

-- Original toys come out in Japan under their respected original brands. These were not characters but vehicles and tools.
-- Hasbro in partnership with Takara acquires the rights to some of their properties for use outside of Japan and assembles from those various items, their new line in development. While the majority of molds came from Takara, some came from other licenses, that Hasbro also acquired.
-- Hasbro knowing they need a story and a way to use these properties, enter into sessions with talent at Marvel Comics. (much as they had done with G.I.Joe) In these sessions, the creative talent came up with the basis for the original conflict, who was on which side, what their personalities were, cybertron and why were they coming to earth, the whole works. and discussions for Marvel to produce comics and with their parnership with Sunbow to produce the cartoon.
-- Once things moved beyond concept and into preperations for the launch of the Transformers brand, Hasbro started to produce the original art, packaging, ad spots, and such. For the characters in question the Blue Robot was packaged with the Red Condor sporting the names Frenzy and Laserbeak. The Red robot was packaged with a Black Panther sporting the names Rumble and Ravage.
-- Early 1984. The toys are released. FIBRIR
-- May 8, 1984. The first issue of the Transformers mini series from Marvel Comics is released. Working from the concepts from the original meetings they follow FIBRIR.
-- September 17, 1984. Where the whole debate starts. The first episode of the G1 Cartoon is aired. Due to a mistake, the animators miscolor Rumble. hence RIBFIR.
-- 1985. Takara seeing the success Hasbro has had, re-releases their items under the Transformers banner. The Red Robot is dubbed Rumble (or Ramble) while the Blue is Frenzy. The cartoon is dubbed and edited for Japan under the title Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers. They follow the original production bibles, and Frenzy is the robot of choice while Rumble shows up once in a while.

All thru this from 1984 to today, Hasbro has always maintained Rumble was the Red and Black Robot while Frenzy is the Blue shaded one. Every toy produced by both Hasbro and Takara have followed FIBRIR, from re-issues to Alternators and Robot Heroes. That is pretty frakin' permanent.

Once again, if you personally feel Rumble is Blue, that's fine. But if you want to argue the facts, well the details are available, and facts don't lie.

Thats bullshit its FIRRIB you idiot. I just dont see why people think that rumble is red and frenzy is blue but really rumble is blue and frenzy is red. More people think scratch that KNOW that its FIRRIB!!!. I dont give a damn about takara. So zfeakye and me are right its FIRRIB NOT FIBRIR. FIBRIR IS PURE BULLSHIT!!!!

This discussion ends here. Warnings will be handed out accordingly.

Blurrz wrote:This discussion ends here. Warnings will be handed out accordingly.

ok whatever

this kind of thing is exactly why I don't even visit here much anymore. nice paint job though. keep up the good work.