Books? Pfft. I'll take motion pictures any day.PrymeStriker wrote:For the love of Primus, man. If I just wanted a good story, I'd go read a book.
Books? Pfft. I'll take motion pictures any day.PrymeStriker wrote:For the love of Primus, man. If I just wanted a good story, I'd go read a book.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:No offense, but that's pretty shallow.PrymeStriker wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Who watches Beast Wars for the animation?PrymeStriker wrote:Keep watching. Season one hasn't aged well in terms of animation. I re-watched episode one and couldn't make it through the first 12 minutes.
Hard for me to enjoy a cartoon if it's not animated decently.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Sabrblade wrote:No offense, but that's pretty shallow.PrymeStriker wrote:Hard for me to enjoy a cartoon if it's not animated decently.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Noideaforaname wrote:At least Beast Wars never gave Megatron a lazy eye. Frequently. During serious moments, too.
I get why it could be distracting, but if you're letting age (something the animators could not possibly work against) get in the way of watching a decent show, it seems like you wouldn't be able to watch a whole lot.
Sabrblade wrote:In perhaps another 20 years, new fans from then might look back on TF: Prime and call its animation primitive.
Noideaforaname wrote:I get why it could be distracting, but if you're letting age (something the animators could not possibly work against) get in the way of watching a decent show, it seems like you wouldn't be able to watch a whole lot.
Sabrblade wrote:The animation couldn't get any better back then because it was the most advanced television CGI tech that they had back then,
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
PrymeStriker wrote:Sabrblade wrote:In perhaps another 20 years, new fans from then might look back on TF: Prime and call its animation primitive.
And that's fine, if the animation is miles better than what we have now. What's your point?Noideaforaname wrote:I get why it could be distracting, but if you're letting age (something the animators could not possibly work against) get in the way of watching a decent show, it seems like you wouldn't be able to watch a whole lot.Sabrblade wrote:The animation couldn't get any better back then because it was the most advanced television CGI tech that they had back then,
Honestly, guys. I don't give a crap whether Beast Wars was animated in the 1990s or the 1920s. The point is that the animation from season one did not age well. I can watch old Disney shorts, and even Fantasmagorie, without cringing as much as I did with the first handful of episodes of Beast Wars. The animation for those can present itself as timeless when watched now; the same cannot be said for the first season of this show. There's a lot of things you could say are cutting edge when you're first exposed to it, come back to it in a decade or two, and begin to convulse wondering why you ever loved it so much. People do this every five years with music and technology.
Also, yes, the animation could get better. See seasons two and three for reference.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I NEVER liked Beast Wars primarily because of its animation.
animation was, is, and likely always will be second-tier importance to me beneath the quality of story, characters, acting, scripting, continuity, and other things that matter beyond physical appearance.
Sabrblade wrote:You know, the old "book cover judging" thing.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Complaining today about the highest quality of television CGI from almost 20 years ago seems pretty meaningless since there was nothing to be done about it back then.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Blast Cannon wrote:I love these message boards and their pedantic arguments.
tek1979 wrote:Blast Cannon wrote:I love these message boards and their pedantic arguments.
Oh yeah, and thought people might of started with me because I of my original post, didn't think it would turn become a completely different argument
Blast Cannon wrote:I love these message boards and their pedantic arguments.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Blast Cannon wrote:I love these message boards and their pedantic arguments.
Damn you and your 136 singing testes, I had to look up what "pedantic" means. I wasn't planning on any intellectual growth today, so thanks for that.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Sabrblade wrote:No offense, but that's pretty shallow.PrymeStriker wrote:Hard for me to enjoy a cartoon if it's not animated decently.
That's a little much, don't you think? I mean, I agree that Beast Wars has a superb story, whether it's the episodic or the overall arc, and it's the better reason to watch the show as opposed to the animation, which isn't horrible, but I get what PrymeStriker is saying. I'm the same way with the G1 comics. I never ever read the UK Marvel stuff, because I really don't like Geoff Senior's style. Guidi's is much more appealing to me, so even though I've wanted to read stuff like Target: 2006 and others, I never did because that art is just so off-putting.
PrymeStriker wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Who watches Beast Wars for the animation?PrymeStriker wrote:Keep watching. Season one hasn't aged well in terms of animation. I re-watched episode one and couldn't make it through the first 12 minutes.
Hard for me to enjoy a cartoon if it's not animated decently.
Season two and three had better animation, so I can watch it without cringing.
Seibertron wrote:Everyone got a shot at being developed which I think is why those characters have continued to be such huge fan-favorites despite very little fiction in the 15 years since Beast Wars ended.
craggy wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Sabrblade wrote:No offense, but that's pretty shallow.PrymeStriker wrote:Hard for me to enjoy a cartoon if it's not animated decently.
That's a little much, don't you think? I mean, I agree that Beast Wars has a superb story, whether it's the episodic or the overall arc, and it's the better reason to watch the show as opposed to the animation, which isn't horrible, but I get what PrymeStriker is saying. I'm the same way with the G1 comics. I never ever read the UK Marvel stuff, because I really don't like Geoff Senior's style. Guidi's is much more appealing to me, so even though I've wanted to read stuff like Target: 2006 and others, I never did because that art is just so off-putting.
say whaaaaaa?
wow. Senior's stuff probably my favourite TF related art until the last decade. We've had some great guys on IDW and some of the guys Pat Lee didn't pay at Dreamwave were pretty good, but Roche and Milne are the only ones I see coming close to giving me the thrills I got from Senior. There were a few other good artists on the Marvel UK stuff, and a bit of a mix of styles. I re-read the old Marvel UK run a few years back and it was torture having a US-originated story, both for the writing and the art. UK forever!
Rodimus Prime wrote:stuff that I quoted from the wrong post. oh well, it's just up there a wee bit ^^^^
craggy wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:stuff that I quoted from the wrong post. oh well, it's just up there a wee bit ^^^^
you are a strange one, Rod.
To the topic at hand: I don't think we'll have to wait 15years to look back at Prime as being...less than perfectly animated. Maybe about 15minutes? Hell, I'll do it now.
It's not bad animation. It is very clearly designed to fit within a relatively small budget. It's a lot more polished than BW, but so it should be. Advances in technology give creators more time to add things, but in general, compared to the rest of the visual effects world, it's in about the same place, if not lower down the food chain than Beast Wars was when it was released. (BW was made by Mainframe just after Reboot, which blew people away...for a while)
It's good, but you can see the budget.
edit:gotta say though, whoever choreographed that Magnus, Jacky, Shockers fight did a great job!
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
PrymeStriker wrote:craggy wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:stuff that I quoted from the wrong post. oh well, it's just up there a wee bit ^^^^
you are a strange one, Rod.
To the topic at hand: I don't think we'll have to wait 15years to look back at Prime as being...less than perfectly animated. Maybe about 15minutes? Hell, I'll do it now.
It's not bad animation. It is very clearly designed to fit within a relatively small budget. It's a lot more polished than BW, but so it should be. Advances in technology give creators more time to add things, but in general, compared to the rest of the visual effects world, it's in about the same place, if not lower down the food chain than Beast Wars was when it was released. (BW was made by Mainframe just after Reboot, which blew people away...for a while)
It's good, but you can see the budget.
edit:gotta say though, whoever choreographed that Magnus, Jacky, Shockers fight did a great job!
I haven't seen one cartoon halfway near the level of Prime's animation in my life. If you have, please show me where I may find it.
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