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OK I'm a long time Sonic fan and yes I do like the 2D and 3D games equally.
But I'm noticing one thing, they seem to get craper and craper.

I mean just look at the last one, I have it for the PS3 and, OK story is cool, it looks decent but- WTF is up with the explanations?
It used to piss me off that the Sonic Adventure series had such long and annoying explanations at the beginning of each level, but the new Sonic the Hedgehog one has no proper explanations, it just says "follow the track", and that's it, leving me with the question "Which track? there are 5 different roads!"

And the amount of time it takes to load, 1 and a half mins just to load a short scene in which a guy says nothing but good luck, then you have to wait another 1 and a half mins to start the level.

And I think it could have looked better two.

Yes I'm finished with my rant.

I agree. Sonic went downhill, along with Sega. Last Sonic game I played was Adventure for the DC.

Yeah, Sonic is crap.





Maybe his appearance in Super Smash Bros Brawl will revitalise his career? He does look pretty damn good in it.

The old ones are very good. The new ones not so good becuase they are like race games ect. They need to go back to there roots and try to do a 3d versions of there old games with the basic objective which made sonic good. Like the greenhill zone, Dr. Eggman ect. The Shadow game was fun though.

MaikeruSama wrote:The old ones are very good. The new ones not so good becuase they are like race games ect. They need to go back to there roots and try to do a 3d versions of there old games with the basic objective which made sonic good. Like the greenhill zone, Dr. Eggman ect. The Shadow game was fun though.

Well the 3D games arn't that bad, I like them all, exept that crap newest one!
Yes the old games were awesome and yes they do seem to make sonic more and more into a racing game, they should go back to the roots, or at least back to SA2B.

The new ones suck. Speaking of the new ones, another thing I hate is "Dr. Eggman". His name is ROBOTNIK!!!! Why do they keep getting his name wrong on the new games?

but yeah their hasn't been a good sonic game since "sonic & Knuckles" on the sega genesis. Knuckles chaotix on 32X was pretty cool, though sonic wasn't in it.

Mario keeps getting better, Sonic just keeps getting worse. Speaking of which I rented the "secret of the rings" for Wii recently and oh my god what a piece of crap. Sonic meets aladdin with horrible control!

Cormaster628 wrote:Mario keeps getting better, Sonic just keeps getting worse. Speaking of which I rented the "secret of the rings" for Wii recently and oh my god what a piece of crap. Sonic meets aladdin with horrible control!

Yes! It's so frustrating that it brought me, a grown man, nearly to tears. (My eyes literally welled up)

It was by far one of the worst games I have ever played and found it terribly ridiculous. If a game angers you too much, you're not likely to pick it up and replay it.

Sonic (in that aspect) has absolutely no replay value. They focused so much on utilizing the Wii's wacky controls that they slipped on the game.

Sonic Adventures 1 & 2 were the last good 3D Sonic games.
IIRC...the new Sonic The Hedgehog game that's on the XBox 360 had a video on YouTube where it took the guy like ten minutes to get through loading screens.

...to me, that's wasted time and gaming. Not to mention money.

Screw that. I'll stick with old school.

Cormaster628 wrote:The new ones suck. Speaking of the new ones, another thing I hate is "Dr. Eggman". His name is ROBOTNIK!!!! Why do they keep getting his name wrong on the new games?

but yeah their hasn't been a good sonic game since "sonic & Knuckles" on the sega genesis. Knuckles chaotix on 32X was pretty cool, though sonic wasn't in it.

Mario keeps getting better, Sonic just keeps getting worse. Speaking of which I rented the "secret of the rings" for Wii recently and oh my god what a piece of crap. Sonic meets aladdin with horrible control!

Yeah I didnt like the name change either. But I jusy got used to It. I love the old sonic cartoon they used to have with sonic and tales the bad guys were robotnic that chicken robots I think his name was scratch and the drill robot cant remember his name.

MaikeruSama wrote:

Cormaster628 wrote:The new ones suck. Speaking of the new ones, another thing I hate is "Dr. Eggman". His name is ROBOTNIK!!!! Why do they keep getting his name wrong on the new games?

but yeah their hasn't been a good sonic game since "sonic & Knuckles" on the sega genesis. Knuckles chaotix on 32X was pretty cool, though sonic wasn't in it.

Mario keeps getting better, Sonic just keeps getting worse. Speaking of which I rented the "secret of the rings" for Wii recently and oh my god what a piece of crap. Sonic meets aladdin with horrible control!

Yeah I didnt like the name change either. But I jusy got used to It. I love the old sonic cartoon they used to have with sonic and tales the bad guys were robotnic that chicken robots I think his name was scratch and the drill robot cant remember his name.

Excellent memory! Scratch and Grounder were their names. IIRC they made an appearance in one of the video games. Even if it was just a cameo...

I so miss the old Sonic. As I get older I realize I miss a lot of the old things. (Yet I don't miss the old TFs...what the heck?)

Sonic's been bad ever since 3D Blast. Sonic was basically a fast-moving Mario game where you could go a little more to kill your enemies, they even had multiple endings. It was simple, you had SOnic and Dr. Robotnik. Now Sonic looks like something out of an acidtrip. There are WAY too many characters, we now have 4 Hedgehogs, too much story interfering w/gameplay, and the orignal stuff has been compeltely thrown out the window. Worst of all, Sonic doens't even go as fast anymore. And heck everyone fricken runs as fast as him. Sonic was supposed to be the only one capable of going that fast, it made him unique and enjoyable, heck Tails and Knuckles aren't supposed to be as fast but they have their own means of getting around which made them enjoyable too.

The best way to fix Sonic is to return it to it's roots. Keep Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Robotnik, and have Amy, Mecha Sonic, and Shadow make occasional appearances but not often. Keep things simple and 2d w/3d elements and don't let a dramatic story get in the way of the fun. The blue guy has plenty of juice but nobody is willing to take the time to really dig at that potential again. Now it's a race to bring out a Sonic game yearly instead of every few years where we have a polished game. I remember when Sonic games came out for Genesis, it was a big thing because Sonic was the mascot game. Now nobody cares because Sonic has been dumbed down to appeal to little kids instead of the general gaming populace like it used to. Sonic was to the Genesis what Mario, Metroid, and Zelda are to Nintendo, and what Final Fantasy has become to the PS, and what Halo is to X-Box.

So until Sega gets it's act together with Sonic, I'l sit at home, playing the only Sonic games I need, all on one disc, the very ones I played as a kid.

Autobot032: Actually Coconuts and Grounder were grunt robots in Sonic 2. Scratch was a minigame robot in Sonic Spinball.

Honestly its really just the death of Sega. Sega is virtually non-exiastant these days. If they really cared the'd makea bad as 2D sonic game again

Roadbuster wrote:Sonic's been bad ever since 3D Blast. Sonic was basically a fast-moving Mario game where you could go a little more to kill your enemies, they even had multiple endings. It was simple, you had SOnic and Dr. Robotnik. Now Sonic looks like something out of an acidtrip. There are WAY too many characters, we now have 4 Hedgehogs, too much story interfering w/gameplay, and the orignal stuff has been compeltely thrown out the window. Worst of all, Sonic doens't even go as fast anymore. And heck everyone fricken runs as fast as him. Sonic was supposed to be the only one capable of going that fast, it made him unique and enjoyable, heck Tails and Knuckles aren't supposed to be as fast but they have their own means of getting around which made them enjoyable too.

The best way to fix Sonic is to return it to it's roots. Keep Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Robotnik, and have Amy, Mecha Sonic, and Shadow make occasional appearances but not often. Keep things simple and 2d w/3d elements and don't let a dramatic story get in the way of the fun. The blue guy has plenty of juice but nobody is willing to take the time to really dig at that potential again. Now it's a race to bring out a Sonic game yearly instead of every few years where we have a polished game. I remember when Sonic games came out for Genesis, it was a big thing because Sonic was the mascot game. Now nobody cares because Sonic has been dumbed down to appeal to little kids instead of the general gaming populace like it used to. Sonic was to the Genesis what Mario, Metroid, and Zelda are to Nintendo, and what Final Fantasy has become to the PS, and what Halo is to X-Box.

So until Sega gets it's act together with Sonic, I'l sit at home, playing the only Sonic games I need, all on one disc, the very ones I played as a kid.

Autobot032: Actually Coconuts and Grounder were grunt robots in Sonic 2. Scratch was a minigame robot in Sonic Spinball.

You have an excellent memory. I had to double check my own just to make sure.

...guess it's time I dusted off those old games and started playing them more. O_o

Yeah I heard this is not a rumor that sega copyrighted Sega genisis name again. So I am guessing for a new system?

MaikeruSama wrote:Yeah I heard this is not a rumor that sega copyrighted Sega genisis name again. So I am guessing for a new system?

I had read that on engadget, I believe, so I'd say it's legit.

Not sure why they're doing it, and it would be nice to see Genesis again...

EDIT: Speaking of Sonic's heyday...

http://www.retrojunk.com/tv/videos/208- ... 308/#intro

I miss that show, and that tune is just too friggin' catchy. Now it's playin' in my head. =\

Cormaster628 wrote:The new ones suck. Speaking of the new ones, another thing I hate is "Dr. Eggman". His name is ROBOTNIK!!!! Why do they keep getting his name wrong on the new games?

Apparently it's always been Dr Eggman in Japan. Robotnik was one of those cooky early 90's localisation issues.

The Jap versions were all set on earth aswell. Mobius (the planet) was a western invention.
Talk about setting us up to rape our childhoods.

Autobot032 wrote:Sonic Adventures 1 & 2 were the last good 3D Sonic games.

I'd say that they were the better ones, although I wouldn't go as far as them being good.
I mean they were playable, but I recall piss-poor controls on Sonic Adventure sending me off the loop-de-loop sections when the camera pans around with no warning, and perpetually falling through the floor [and dying for it] for no reason other than having hit a wall.

homelessjunkeon wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Sonic Adventures 1 & 2 were the last good 3D Sonic games.

I'd say that they were the better ones, although I wouldn't go as far as them being good.
I mean they were playable, but I recall piss-poor controls on Sonic Adventure sending me off the loop-de-loop sections when the camera pans around with no warning, and perpetually falling through the floor [and dying for it] for no reason other than having hit a wall.

Granted, the controls do suck. However, I played them on the GameCube (Director's Cut of the first game) and I'm guessing they must've fixed them once they were off the Dreamcast.

Here is my sonic cartoon! LOVE IT ! miss it!



Url
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UCaWI8_3VLU

Honestly, being a long-time Nintendo fan, I started getting into Sonic via the GC ports....& yeah they have been going downhill. Most of the games would be fun.....would.....if Sega would bother to playtest the games, or even possibly delay games untill all the bugs are fixed, before shipping them out.

Oh, & as far as cartoons are concerned, you can't forget Sonic Underground.....probably the most craptastic cartoon they came up with for the Sonic franchise, whose sole redeeming factor was that Gary Chalk did the voice of Robotnik.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:Honestly, being a long-time Nintendo fan, I started getting into Sonic via the GC ports....& yeah they have been going downhill. Most of the games would be fun.....would.....if Sega would bother to playtest the games, or even possibly delay games untill all the bugs are fixed, before shipping them out.

Oh, & as far as cartoons are concerned, you can't forget Sonic Underground.....probably the most craptastic cartoon they came up with for the Sonic franchise, whose sole redeeming factor was that Gary Chalk did the voice of Robotnik.

I agree, get rid of the bugs and finish the games and they will be awesome.
And yes Sonic Underground was totally underground.

homelessjunkeon wrote:

Cormaster628 wrote:The new ones suck. Speaking of the new ones, another thing I hate is "Dr. Eggman". His name is ROBOTNIK!!!! Why do they keep getting his name wrong on the new games?

Apparently it's always been Dr Eggman in Japan. Robotnik was one of those cooky early 90's localisation issues.

The Jap versions were all set on earth aswell. Mobius (the planet) was a western invention.
Talk about setting us up to rape our childhoods.

Just to clarify, your against the exact Japanese to English translations right? I agree to a certain extent, as he will never be Eggman to me, it'll always be Robotnik. But the Genesis games were set on Earth? Man, what a weird Earth it is, I prefer to think of it as Mobius. But it does explain how humans suddenly appeared in Sonic Adventure.

As for the topic at hand, I've never really been a huge Sonic fan, but I do think the mythology is more intricate than Mario(of which I am a huge fan). The first three Sonic games & Knuckles feel way to similar to me, but I guess their good.

I did enjoy Sonic Adventure's 1 and 2, thought they were really cool. I borrowed and beat Sonic Heroes, that was ok too, but it was pretty tedious to need to beat the game four times to get the true ending.

Played through Shadow once(well, the most direct path to the end), and I can barely remember if it was that great or not, but it seems like the game relies too much on re-playing to get other paths and endings.

I also borrowed and beat Sonic Rush. It was ok too I guess, but I got annoyed at the split-second jumping and memorization required to get through some of the levels.

All in all, can't really say if Sonic is going up or down in terms of quality, but he certainly doesn't appear to be much of an icon anymore.

All in all, can't really say if Sonic is going up or down in terms of quality, but he certainly doesn't appear to be much of an icon anymore.

as far as I can tell, it really hasn't changed quality-wise, but they have been getting a bad reputation from just about every credible critic, simply because they feel that if they give them a mediocre-bad review on a game, they should fix the problems so the next one wouldn't be so bad.

It's really just hard to say if it's because Sega wants their games to meet deadlines no matter how "finished" it is, or if they all-in-all just stopped trying.

Console Sonic hasn't been good sence SA, which is barely passable as somewhat good. I grew up with Sonic, I love the furrball, I have had Sonic PJs when I was a kid, figures, recently Shirts and a Plushie, but jeez, Sega realy needs to stop with the **** games, SatSR especialy, and make it similar to Street Fighter IV and Sonic Rush, 3D look, 2D play. And next time Sega, Sonic does not benifit from the Wii's lame ass Nes wannabe, guncon sorta emulating, style of controling. FULL NES OR BLOODY NUNCHUCK, NO MOVING OF THE REMOTE.

/Rant.

Fang Wolf wrote:FULL NES OR BLOODY NUNCHUCK, NO MOVING OF THE REMOTE.

/Rant.

What would be the point of putting it on the Wii if you're not going to use the motion function?

What would be the point of putting it on the Wii if you're not going to use the motion function?

Making the game good possibly...
I can't see many ways of applying the motion control to a sonic-like game, at least nothing that is going to reasonably approximate the split-second timing that should be required for some jumps.

Just to clarify, your against the exact Japanese to English translations right? I agree to a certain extent, as he will never be Eggman to me, it'll always be Robotnik. But the Genesis games were set on Earth? Man, what a weird Earth it is, I prefer to think of it as Mobius. But it does explain how humans suddenly appeared in Sonic Adventure.

Yeah, freaked me out aswell. It still grates when I hear the name "eggman"...

Oh, & as far as cartoons are concerned, you can't forget Sonic Underground.....probably the most craptastic cartoon they came up with for the Sonic franchise, whose sole redeeming factor was that Gary Chalk did the voice of Robotnik.

Great. I'd managed to avoid this until now, and now I've just seen it on Youtube...

Ah well, there was always SatAm to make up for it.
Bunny Rabbot turned me furry.

Here is my sonic cartoon! LOVE IT ! miss it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezfotv37jBQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDrK4gzFZoQ
Superior.

I love the Wii's motion sensitive controls, depending on the game, but i agree it was a bad idea to put them into sonic. Certain games developers shouldn't fear to use the Classic Controller, or simply the buttons on the remote and nunchuck. Sonic is one of those such games. One reason I couldn't get into Secret of the Rings was due to the total Wii-mote control scheme. Sometimes you know, you just wanna push the stick in the right direction rather than tilting or pointing the remote in the right direction. when used on the wrong game, it goes form being "cool" and "inovative" to being "powerglove part 2".