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Postby Bonecrusher27 » Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:22 am

1. Watching Desertion of the Dinobots and just occurred to me: why didn't the Autobots build their own space bridge? Was this ever explained?

2. Another thing: how is it that transformers like Wheeljack seem to be able to build new robots just like that? They sure didn't have any allspark!
Was this explained?
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Postby Saber_Wulf » Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:32 am

nope it was never explained in the series and second back in g1 there was never an allspark cube, it was called vector sigma he never actually gave life to the dinobots and technically the dinobots are just droids when you get to the bottom of it. But they never really explained how they did it just like they never explained how grimlock gave sparks to the technobots or howthe autobots gave life to the protectabots they just showed up one episode.
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Postby Deadpool. » Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:58 am

Two words:

PLOT HOLES!

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Postby Sledge » Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:59 am

1) What did they need it for? They seemed able to use the 'Cons one whenever they wanted. :P

2) The Dinobots weren't exactly the brightest of the bright. My view is that Vector Sigma creates more or less "adult" Transformers. The Dinos are like big kids: they're starting from the very basics Wheeljack could program them with, and learning from there.

As for the Technobots, Grimlock did have intelligence well beyond that of any Transformer scientist at that time, so presumably he was able to code "adult" personalities.
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Postby Chris McFeely » Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:15 pm

1) It's not spelled out, but the reason would appear to be that the Autobots didn't have any contacts on Cybetron, so they had no-one to create a receptor there for them to use. With the Decepticons, they could build one end of the space bridge on Earth, and Shockwave built the other end on Cybertron and manned it, allowing for transport between those two points. The Autobots could've built one on Earth, but without another end to it for them to travel to, it'd just catapult them off through space - like the malfunctioning bridge in "Child's Play."

2) The thing about the G1 cartoon is that there's really absolutely zero funky quasi-mystical elements to it, until the Matrix is introduced in the movie. These robots are not infused with magic life by the Matrix, or the Allspark, or anything like that - they're just products of science, who are programmed. Wheeljack programmed the Dinobots as best he could, while Vector Sigma, and the super-intelligent Grimlock in "Grimlock's New Brain," could do the job to its fullest and program Transformers with full, complex, "living" personalities. This "product of science" origin is the backbone of a lot of the G1 cartoon - compare the "magic" comic book origin, with Primus and Unicron as godly beings, and Primus creating the Transformers from his own lifeforce, to the "science" origin of the cartoon, where the Quintessons build the Transformers, only to have them rebel, and Primacron builds Unicron, only to have him rebel. Science gone wrong!
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:50 am

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Sledge wrote:
As for the Technobots, Grimlock did have intelligence well beyond that of any Transformer scientist at that time, so presumably he was able to code "adult" personalities.


I always thought that Grimlock used Unicron in some way to give the Technobots life.
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Postby AxiomScion » Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:49 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sledge wrote:
As for the Technobots, Grimlock did have intelligence well beyond that of any Transformer scientist at that time, so presumably he was able to code "adult" personalities.


I always thought that Grimlock used Unicron in some way to give the Technobots life.
i think he only got there color scheme from his scrap metal :P
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Postby Dr. Caelus » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:00 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sledge wrote:
As for the Technobots, Grimlock did have intelligence well beyond that of any Transformer scientist at that time, so presumably he was able to code "adult" personalities.


I always thought that Grimlock used Unicron in some way to give the Technobots life.


Well, he gets his genius in that episode from biting a power cable or something deep in Cybertron right?

Maybe the cable was something attached to Vector Sigma, and he downloaded some of its coding, which he then used to create the technobots, just as Vector Sigma itself would have.

The real inconsistency in my mind, was always the fact that he becomes stupid again after creating them.
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Postby Sledge » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:29 pm

But that was because he uploaded his new intelligence into Computron.
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:03 pm

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Sledge wrote:But that was because he uploaded his new intelligence into Computron.


Yeah but that was stupid :P
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Postby Sledge » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:37 pm

Your face is stupid. :P

Stupid or no, it's the explanation given. If we ruled stuff out just because it was stupid, then most of TF history wouldn't exist.
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:42 pm

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Sledge wrote:Your face is stupid. :P

Stupid or no, it's the explanation given. If we ruled stuff out just because it was stupid, then most of TF history wouldn't exist.


I know....just havin some fun with ya :lol:
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Postby Sledge » Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:13 am

You've got to laugh about the discrepancies in the G1 cartoon.

Or you'd go mad and rupture blood vessels trying to resolve them.
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:37 pm

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Sledge wrote:You've got to laugh about the discrepancies in the G1 cartoon.

Or you'd go mad and rupture blood vessels trying to resolve them.


I've knowen a few that have gone mad trying :lol:
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