Spectral Dragon wrote:I hereby declare HMW shall now be known as Heavy Metal Crack (that's HMC for short)!
Psychout wrote:Less of the drama please, this is the internet, it's serious business.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Senor Hugo wrote:Well there is also the prophecy to look at. Anakin is the one who is supposed to bring balance to the force.
Kota knew of his destiny to help Starkiller, and Starkiller's destiny to create the rebellion.
So he probably also knew of Anakin's destiny.
Though I think Kota also knew that in Starkiller's current state at the end of TFU, had he killed the Emperor he would have been lost to the darkside. But, if Starkiller was calm, a nice Jedi apathetic calm, he probably wouldn't have stopped Starkiller.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
That1smartdude wrote:Please, if you disagree in any way with a single thing I just said, try to come up with a logical argument. I'll admit, Starkiller is powerful, and if I'm overlooking anything, it'd be nice to know. Though I am fairly certain with my analysis.
That1smartdude wrote:Watch his first fight with Vader on Bespin. For the first few moments, Luke is totally outclassed. But as soon as he gets his second wind, he's completely adapted to Vader's style, and is then able to overcome the Dark Lord of the Sith himself!
That1smartdude wrote:Luke is insanely adaptable, and is definitely not easy to intimidate (He took down a f***ing Rancor. I doubt Starkiller's aggressive attacks or dual blades would spook him much).
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:That1smartdude wrote:Watch his first fight with Vader on Bespin. For the first few moments, Luke is totally outclassed. But as soon as he gets his second wind, he's completely adapted to Vader's style, and is then able to overcome the Dark Lord of the Sith himself!
If by "overcome" you mean "Lost his hand then fell into a bottomless pit" then yeah, that's what happened.That1smartdude wrote:Luke is insanely adaptable, and is definitely not easy to intimidate (He took down a f***ing Rancor. I doubt Starkiller's aggressive attacks or dual blades would spook him much).
Starkiller fought and killed several of those.
Blast Cannon wrote:That1smartdude wrote:Please, if you disagree in any way with a single thing I just said, try to come up with a logical argument. I'll admit, Starkiller is powerful, and if I'm overlooking anything, it'd be nice to know. Though I am fairly certain with my analysis.
You're overlooking the fact that they are both fictional characters and so it doesn't really matter.
You're also overlooking the fact that the real world is full of joy, up to and including sex, and I urge you to seek it in all its glories.
That1smartdude wrote:Shadowman wrote:That1smartdude wrote:Watch his first fight with Vader on Bespin. For the first few moments, Luke is totally outclassed. But as soon as he gets his second wind, he's completely adapted to Vader's style, and is then able to overcome the Dark Lord of the Sith himself!
If by "overcome" you mean "Lost his hand then fell into a bottomless pit" then yeah, that's what happened.That1smartdude wrote:Luke is insanely adaptable, and is definitely not easy to intimidate (He took down a f***ing Rancor. I doubt Starkiller's aggressive attacks or dual blades would spook him much).
Starkiller fought and killed several of those.
When was the last time you watched the Bespin duel? Luke gains the upper hand on Vader, toppling the Dark Lord down to a lower level, then leaps down with him. Luke did temporarily overcome Vader, forcing Vader to rely on telekinesis and a massive overhaul of his fighting style. I actually mentioned this in my summary. If you had paid attention and read a bit farther, you would've realized that moment is what I was referring to.
That1smartdude wrote:As for the Rancor issue, Starkiller being able to bring a few down was totally irrelevant to my point. The point was that Luke does not get intimidated. If you paid any attention to the context, you would have realized that.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:That1smartdude wrote:Shadowman wrote:That1smartdude wrote:Watch his first fight with Vader on Bespin. For the first few moments, Luke is totally outclassed. But as soon as he gets his second wind, he's completely adapted to Vader's style, and is then able to overcome the Dark Lord of the Sith himself!
If by "overcome" you mean "Lost his hand then fell into a bottomless pit" then yeah, that's what happened.That1smartdude wrote:Luke is insanely adaptable, and is definitely not easy to intimidate (He took down a f***ing Rancor. I doubt Starkiller's aggressive attacks or dual blades would spook him much).
Starkiller fought and killed several of those.
When was the last time you watched the Bespin duel? Luke gains the upper hand on Vader, toppling the Dark Lord down to a lower level, then leaps down with him. Luke did temporarily overcome Vader, forcing Vader to rely on telekinesis and a massive overhaul of his fighting style. I actually mentioned this in my summary. If you had paid attention and read a bit farther, you would've realized that moment is what I was referring to.
And yet he still lost that fight. You can say he's so super-adaptable and he totally had Vader on his toes, but that fight still ended with Luke getting his hand cut off then jumping down a pit.That1smartdude wrote:As for the Rancor issue, Starkiller being able to bring a few down was totally irrelevant to my point. The point was that Luke does not get intimidated. If you paid any attention to the context, you would have realized that.
Starkiller isn't about intimidation, anyway.
That1smartdude wrote:First, Luke managed to keep a level head and battle on equal terms with Darth Vader, even though Luke was a complete novice, proving his adaptability and natural talent.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:That1smartdude wrote:First, Luke managed to keep a level head and battle on equal terms with Darth Vader, even though Luke was a complete novice, proving his adaptability and natural talent.
Until Vader switched things up. Luke didn't adapt to that, he kept getting pushed back until he lost his hand. And then he lost his head after he found out who his dad was.
That1smartdude wrote:Shadowman wrote:That1smartdude wrote:First, Luke managed to keep a level head and battle on equal terms with Darth Vader, even though Luke was a complete novice, proving his adaptability and natural talent.
Until Vader switched things up. Luke didn't adapt to that, he kept getting pushed back until he lost his hand. And then he lost his head after he found out who his dad was.
Actually, he did manage to adapt, as you see in both the movie and my analysis. Luke holds a steady defense for quite a while, and even managed to strike what would've been an incapacitating blow on the Sith Lord, had it not been for Vader's armor. The only reason Luke lost his hand is because of Vader's sudden surge of anger after that injury. Seriously, go watch the movie if you don't believe me.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
That1smartdude wrote:Blast Cannon wrote:That1smartdude wrote:Please, if you disagree in any way with a single thing I just said, try to come up with a logical argument. I'll admit, Starkiller is powerful, and if I'm overlooking anything, it'd be nice to know. Though I am fairly certain with my analysis.
You're overlooking the fact that they are both fictional characters and so it doesn't really matter.
You're also overlooking the fact that the real world is full of joy, up to and including sex, and I urge you to seek it in all its glories.
I would like to assure you that I have not overlooked either of the things you pointed out. Believe it or not, I do quite enjoy the real world, and all of its pleasures, sex included. Discussing topics like this one is simply a hobby of mine. As for whether or not fictional characters matter, that's something you should probably bring up at the next Comic-Con.
Shadowman wrote:That1smartdude wrote:Shadowman wrote:That1smartdude wrote:First, Luke managed to keep a level head and battle on equal terms with Darth Vader, even though Luke was a complete novice, proving his adaptability and natural talent.
Until Vader switched things up. Luke didn't adapt to that, he kept getting pushed back until he lost his hand. And then he lost his head after he found out who his dad was.
Actually, he did manage to adapt, as you see in both the movie and my analysis. Luke holds a steady defense for quite a while, and even managed to strike what would've been an incapacitating blow on the Sith Lord, had it not been for Vader's armor. The only reason Luke lost his hand is because of Vader's sudden surge of anger after that injury. Seriously, go watch the movie if you don't believe me.
I did. Maybe you should too, because you're using a fight that Luke lost as evidence of how powerful he is. You can talk about the fundamentals, the styles, all that as much as you want, it doesn't change the fact that Luke lost. Beaten. Finito.
Now compare Luke and Starkiller's fights with Sidious. How'd that go again? Oh yeah, Starkiller had Sidious on the floor, and only died because Sidious pulled a sucker punch while Starkiller was distracted. Luke was just on the floor and needed Vader to save him. Funny how that works out.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Ah, okay, so it only counts if you say it counts, got it.
Starkiller still wins, though, seeing as Luke has never been shown to fight or use the Force on the same level as him.
That1smartdude wrote:Shadowman wrote:Ah, okay, so it only counts if you say it counts, got it.
Starkiller still wins, though, seeing as Luke has never been shown to fight or use the Force on the same level as him.
What do you mean, it only counts if I say it does? Everything I've said so far has been backed up by actual facts. Did you not read my analysis? Luke has been shown using telekinesis on an exceptional level, and Luke's dueling skills are every bit as great, if not greater. You have not given a single ounce of evidence to suggest Starkiller can actually defeat Luke. You're nothing but an ignorant fanboy, and until you actually bring some real evidence, I say Luke is equal to, if not greater than Starkiller in both Force abilities and lightsaber skill.
Blast Cannon wrote:That1smartdude wrote:Shadowman wrote:Ah, okay, so it only counts if you say it counts, got it.
Starkiller still wins, though, seeing as Luke has never been shown to fight or use the Force on the same level as him.
What do you mean, it only counts if I say it does? Everything I've said so far has been backed up by actual facts. Did you not read my analysis? Luke has been shown using telekinesis on an exceptional level, and Luke's dueling skills are every bit as great, if not greater. You have not given a single ounce of evidence to suggest Starkiller can actually defeat Luke. You're nothing but an ignorant fanboy, and until you actually bring some real evidence, I say Luke is equal to, if not greater than Starkiller in both Force abilities and lightsaber skill.
I've got evidence right here. It's my very own fan fiction, which is every bit as canon and valid as the extended universe shite you're backing your entire flimsy argument on:
"Once, Starkiller blew up an entire planet using the power of his mind alone."
There you go, evidence. You're nothing but a pseudo-intellectual geek with an axe to grind, and until you actually bring some real evidence of some kind of life beyond your parent's basement, I'm afraid the inhabitants of this website will continue to assume that you are a sad, strange little man who puts far too much stock in his ability to argue the toss over what amounts to be two meaningless and fictional characters. Whatever gets you through the day though.
That1smartdude wrote:What do you mean, it only counts if I say it does?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
That1smartdude wrote:Blast Cannon wrote:That1smartdude wrote:Shadowman wrote:Ah, okay, so it only counts if you say it counts, got it.
Starkiller still wins, though, seeing as Luke has never been shown to fight or use the Force on the same level as him.
What do you mean, it only counts if I say it does? Everything I've said so far has been backed up by actual facts. Did you not read my analysis? Luke has been shown using telekinesis on an exceptional level, and Luke's dueling skills are every bit as great, if not greater. You have not given a single ounce of evidence to suggest Starkiller can actually defeat Luke. You're nothing but an ignorant fanboy, and until you actually bring some real evidence, I say Luke is equal to, if not greater than Starkiller in both Force abilities and lightsaber skill.
I've got evidence right here. It's my very own fan fiction, which is every bit as canon and valid as the extended universe shite you're backing your entire flimsy argument on:
"Once, Starkiller blew up an entire planet using the power of his mind alone."
There you go, evidence. You're nothing but a pseudo-intellectual geek with an axe to grind, and until you actually bring some real evidence of some kind of life beyond your parent's basement, I'm afraid the inhabitants of this website will continue to assume that you are a sad, strange little man who puts far too much stock in his ability to argue the toss over what amounts to be two meaningless and fictional characters. Whatever gets you through the day though.
The EU novels are part of the official canon. Your fanfiction, however [i]brilliant[i] it might be, is not. And as for my life outside of this site, that's hardly relevant to this issue. I would assure you that I have a life outside of this site, but I can tell there would be little point, since you certainly wouldn't believe me. If you see no point in people discussing which fictional character is superior, then I would like to ask why you bother even commenting on this forum. Surely you can find better uses of your time? I hardly see how degrading strangers on a website can help improve your life in any way. Oh well, each to his own.
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