BeastProwl wrote:Ok lovebirds, lets do it like this, shall we?
-No Universal Bind, its all canon, none of its canon, take from the best of both worlds. Problem solved.
To be clear, this IS the same Starkiller who can pluck tie fighters out of mid flight with relative ease, and hurdle them into crowds of troopers?
The same one who went toe to toe with like, 50 Rancors?
The same one who can use the force to turn himself into a black hole? That Starkiller? If so, ding ding we have a winner. Luke cant do half that.
His "adaptability" wouldn't do much against a combination of everything above, plus Starkiller's abilities in combat, and application of the force IN combat.
That1smartdude wrote:BeastProwl wrote:Ok lovebirds, lets do it like this, shall we?
-No Universal Bind, its all canon, none of its canon, take from the best of both worlds. Problem solved.
To be clear, this IS the same Starkiller who can pluck tie fighters out of mid flight with relative ease, and hurdle them into crowds of troopers?
The same one who went toe to toe with like, 50 Rancors?
The same one who can use the force to turn himself into a black hole? That Starkiller? If so, ding ding we have a winner. Luke cant do half that.
His "adaptability" wouldn't do much against a combination of everything above, plus Starkiller's abilities in combat, and application of the force IN combat.
Then forget RotJ Luke. Grandmaster Luke still has this in the bag. He can tear the engines off of a Star Destroyer orbiting a world with just a thought. He can root himself to the heart of the Force to become the very essence of an immovable object, he can move so fast that a millisecond would be considered slow, he can join with the Force at will. He can bend time and space to teleport objects across the galaxy. I only used RotJ Luke to be fair to Starkiller. Any Luke set after the movies would wipe the floor with Starkiller.
Blast Cannon wrote:That1smartdude wrote:BeastProwl wrote:Ok lovebirds, lets do it like this, shall we?
-No Universal Bind, its all canon, none of its canon, take from the best of both worlds. Problem solved.
To be clear, this IS the same Starkiller who can pluck tie fighters out of mid flight with relative ease, and hurdle them into crowds of troopers?
The same one who went toe to toe with like, 50 Rancors?
The same one who can use the force to turn himself into a black hole? That Starkiller? If so, ding ding we have a winner. Luke cant do half that.
His "adaptability" wouldn't do much against a combination of everything above, plus Starkiller's abilities in combat, and application of the force IN combat.
Then forget RotJ Luke. Grandmaster Luke still has this in the bag. He can tear the engines off of a Star Destroyer orbiting a world with just a thought. He can root himself to the heart of the Force to become the very essence of an immovable object, he can move so fast that a millisecond would be considered slow, he can join with the Force at will. He can bend time and space to teleport objects across the galaxy. I only used RotJ Luke to be fair to Starkiller. Any Luke set after the movies would wipe the floor with Starkiller.
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BeastProwl wrote:Well, wait a sec.
Force Unleashed 2 still happened, and Starkiller, or a more powerful clone of Starkiller, is still amongst the living to my knowledge. If we use the rate of his skill growth over the time period of the games/novels up with the period after the last movie, IF he's still alive and didn't give up on growing even stronger, couldn't he surpass or equal Luke on that level, theoretically?
That1smartdude wrote:could not defeat Vader with a lightsaber and had to resort to other means in order to score the victory.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:That1smartdude wrote:could not defeat Vader with a lightsaber and had to resort to other means in order to score the victory.
He still beat Vader, though. Both of them did. I'm not sure why you think switching up a fighting style counts as losing...
That1smartdude wrote:Shadowman wrote:That1smartdude wrote:could not defeat Vader with a lightsaber and had to resort to other means in order to score the victory.
He still beat Vader, though. Both of them did. I'm not sure why you think switching up a fighting style counts as losing...
I didn't say he lost. I said that the clone could not beat Vader with a lightsaber. He instead had to use trickery and sheer luck (in the form of lightning being channeled from the storm above into the lightning rods nearby). The Starkiller clone still defeated Vader in the end, but he could not defeat Vader with pure lightsaber dueling. The original Starkiller, on the other hand, actually did manage to defeat Vader in a lightsaber duel.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:That1smartdude wrote:Shadowman wrote:That1smartdude wrote:could not defeat Vader with a lightsaber and had to resort to other means in order to score the victory.
He still beat Vader, though. Both of them did. I'm not sure why you think switching up a fighting style counts as losing...
I didn't say he lost. I said that the clone could not beat Vader with a lightsaber. He instead had to use trickery and sheer luck (in the form of lightning being channeled from the storm above into the lightning rods nearby). The Starkiller clone still defeated Vader in the end, but he could not defeat Vader with pure lightsaber dueling. The original Starkiller, on the other hand, actually did manage to defeat Vader in a lightsaber duel.
So what? They both still beat Vader.
Shadowman wrote:That1smartdude wrote:What do you mean, it only counts if I say it does?
You literally just said that the games don't count, only the books do. If you're going to try to argue that my points don't count because the games aren't "canon" and the books are, then I'm not going to bother with you anymore.
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Shadowman wrote:Senor Hugo wrote:Well there is also the prophecy to look at. Anakin is the one who is supposed to bring balance to the force.
Kota knew of his destiny to help Starkiller, and Starkiller's destiny to create the rebellion.
So he probably also knew of Anakin's destiny.
Though I think Kota also knew that in Starkiller's current state at the end of TFU, had he killed the Emperor he would have been lost to the darkside. But, if Starkiller was calm, a nice Jedi apathetic calm, he probably wouldn't have stopped Starkiller.
I'm not sure how many people were still on board with the Prophecy after Order 66. Some weren't even on board before Order 66. (Mace Windu in parrticular)
That said, putting the alignment of Starkiller above the fate of the entire Galaxy is an extremely bad move on Kota's part.
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