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If Toys 'R' Us UK get this ultimate slice of awesomeness then I will buy it without doubt.
This evil so and so deserves more. Hamburgers!

robotmel wrote::grin:
If Toys 'R' Us UK get this ultimate slice of awesomeness then I will buy it without doubt.
This evil so and so deserves more. Hamburgers!

I want Greenscream. Unfortunately, I'm a couple of years late and not he's unbuyable.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

robotmel wrote::grin:
If Toys 'R' Us UK get this ultimate slice of awesomeness then I will buy it without doubt.
This evil so and so deserves more. Hamburgers!

I want Greescream. Unfortunately, I'm a couple of years late and not he's unbuyable.

Why? I mean, to each their own, but Mp-3 is vastly inferior to the Mp-11 mold.

Ironhidensh wrote:Why? I mean, to each their own, but Mp-3 is vastly inferior to the Mp-11 mold.

MP-11 is only good for his bot mode. The flaws begin with the jet mode who suffer a bit. I don't like his undetachable null rays. His chest no longer lock into place. Way too expensive for nothing. No face changing gimmick. It also feel somewhat cheaper.

The original sure had an inperfect bot mode, but the chest lock in, face change, null rays are more manageable, and the jet is FLAWLESS. I kinda regret having sold my MP-03 G1 colors for MP-11. At least, I have MP-03G. I'd like to have Greenscream because he's the very FIRST MP Starscream and I need it for my Screamers collection.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:Why? I mean, to each their own, but Mp-3 is vastly inferior to the Mp-11 mold.

MP-11 is only good for his bot mode. The flaws begin with the jet mode who suffer a bit. I don't like his undetachable null rays. His chest no longer lock into place. Way too expensive for nothing. No face changing gimmick. It also feel somewhat cheaper.

The original sure had an inperfect bot mode, but the chest lock in, face change, null rays are more manageable, and the jet is FLAWLESS. I kinda regret having sold my MP-03 G1 colors for MP-11. At least, I have MP-03G. I'd like to have Greenscream because he's the very FIRST MP Starscream and I need it for my Screamers collection.

true dat kan. MP03 was completely functional, and flawless in both modes. just not the SS we wanted. MP11 looks the way we want, but i would say he's the "vastly inferior" one.

shajaki wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:Why? I mean, to each their own, but Mp-3 is vastly inferior to the Mp-11 mold.

MP-11 is only good for his bot mode. The flaws begin with the jet mode who suffer a bit. I don't like his undetachable null rays. His chest no longer lock into place. Way too expensive for nothing. No face changing gimmick. It also feel somewhat cheaper.

The original sure had an inperfect bot mode, but the chest lock in, face change, null rays are more manageable, and the jet is FLAWLESS. I kinda regret having sold my MP-03 G1 colors for MP-11. At least, I have MP-03G. I'd like to have Greenscream because he's the very FIRST MP Starscream and I need it for my Screamers collection.

true dat kan. MP03 was completely functional, and flawless in both modes. just not the SS we wanted. MP11 looks the way we want, but i would say he's the "vastly inferior" one.

Really? None of the supposed functional superiorities of the MP03 mold were present on any of the numerous versions I owned.

MP03 is a flawless jet and compromised robot. MP11 is the flawless robot and compromised jet. (From an aesthetic perspective.) Each has its merits, but it's a stretch to say one is hands down better.

I prefer the MP11 styling myself. But that's because robot mode is most important to me (plus... the MP11 deco is way better in my opinion).

megatronus wrote:

shajaki wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:Why? I mean, to each their own, but Mp-3 is vastly inferior to the Mp-11 mold.

MP-11 is only good for his bot mode. The flaws begin with the jet mode who suffer a bit. I don't like his undetachable null rays. His chest no longer lock into place. Way too expensive for nothing. No face changing gimmick. It also feel somewhat cheaper.

The original sure had an inperfect bot mode, but the chest lock in, face change, null rays are more manageable, and the jet is FLAWLESS. I kinda regret having sold my MP-03 G1 colors for MP-11. At least, I have MP-03G. I'd like to have Greenscream because he's the very FIRST MP Starscream and I need it for my Screamers collection.

true dat kan. MP03 was completely functional, and flawless in both modes. just not the SS we wanted. MP11 looks the way we want, but i would say he's the "vastly inferior" one.

Really? None of the supposed functional superiorities of the MP03 mold were present on any of the numerous versions I owned.

MP03 is a flawless jet and compromised robot. MP11 is the flawless robot and compromised jet. (From an aesthetic perspective.) Each has its merits, but it's a stretch to say one is hands down better.

I prefer the MP11 styling myself. But that's because robot mode is most important to me (plus... the MP11 deco is way better in my opinion).

style/aesthetic-wise, yes. MP11 hands down.

its the functionality of the figures im referring to. ive got 4 MP03 figures, and all are tight, locking, solid pieces of plastic. ive got 5 MP11 figures, and all have the same floppy chest/shoulder dealy.

the compromised robot mode you speak of in MP03 i dont really see as such. he was still functional ie: solid locking transformation. he just wasnt the hardcore G1 look we all wanted. to me, thats the only reason i can see him as "compromised".

MP11's bot mode LOOKS flawless, though is anything but. i cant move his arms without his entire shoulder coming out of place, or pick him up from the torso without it sliding out of place. thats pretty flawed in my opinion. and while the jet isnt as sleek at MP03, its still sleek enough to me.

(not trying to argue. i just loves me some MP03)

I still cry a bit over the price differences. MP-03(G1 colors) and MP-03G each cost me 120$US shipped. At the time, the Canadian $ was around 1:1 for the US $ so those two were quite affordable.

Then, come along MP-11. All fees included, with the $ difference, shipping, and customs, MP-11 cost me around 260$CAN. For a toy with lower quality no less. I still have buyer remorse over it. And no way I'm going to sell it. He's still part of my Screamers collection and I will never get my cash back.

i cant believe i didnt think of this.

i have MP11, so i wasnt terribly excited for this news. but my MP11 is displayed sans coronation gear, because i want him uniform with the other seekers. but if this TRU SS can give me another SS for the shelf, i can have one of each!

The four MP-11 versions I own (holy crap I'm missing two and still have four. Dang.) all have one common problem and it's the only problem I've ever had with it - the little tab that folds up to lock the wings to the back just plain does not stick. They all have flopped back wings at an angle in bot mode.

ScottyP wrote:The four MP-11 versions I own (holy crap I'm missing two and still have four. Dang.) all have one common problem and it's the only problem I've ever had with it - the little tab that folds up to lock the wings to the back just plain does not stick. They all have flopped back wings at an angle in bot mode.

Weird. I have 3 of them and none are actually MP-11 , mine all stick (or at least I think they do). Of course, after I set them up on the shelf, they only get moved around for new additions and the occasional re-pose. Nothing is flappy on mine when I handle them.

I do remember that being an issue at one point...not sure how I solved it. I am not a big fan of constantly transforming my Transformers.

Acid Storm and MP-11 have the wing tabbing issue, but the other 4 (Thundercracker, Asia Skywarp, and both Sunstorms) are totally fine in that department.

When people talk about the "chest" not locking in, do you mean the fact that the air intakes come up when you lift up the arms? Just push them back down when you have the arms in position. It's no different than the shoulder "issue" with Generations Blitzwing. Masterpiece figures aren't "toys" in the conventional sense. They're collectors' items with a premium on aesthetics over "playability."

Wolfman Jake wrote:When people talk about the "chest" not locking in, do you mean the fact that the air intakes come up when you lift up the arms? Just push them back down when you have the arms in position. It's no different than the shoulder "issue" with Generations Blitzwing. Masterpiece figures aren't "toys" in the conventional sense. They're collectors' items with a premium on aesthetics over "playability."

It's not just the shoulder parts. It's the WHOLE thing, the whole red chest part that don't lock into place on the MP-11 mold. It lock perfectly well on any MP-03.

Also, your argument that it dosent matter is invalid. You compare a 100/200$ collector item to a cheap-ass 20/30$ toy. I'm sorry, but when I pay more than 250$ total for a figure, I expect it to be top quality with zero issues. Also, in hand, the 200$ MP-11 felt average at best. The 90$ MP-03 felt like a high end collectible. So yeah, that's quite frustrating.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Also, your argument that it dosent matter is invalid.

Your argument that his argument is invalid is invalid!

See, I don't even understand how your chest piece isn't "locking in" sufficiently. I can handle my MP-11 molds and move them about, flip them around upside down, shake them, whatever, and the chest stays in place. I've got Hasbro's Thundercracker, Acid Storm, and Sunstorm. None in my collection have this chest problem you speak of.

Wolfman Jake wrote:See, I don't even understand how your chest piece isn't "locking in" sufficiently. I can handle my MP-11 molds and move them about, flip them around upside down, shake them, whatever, and the chest stays in place. I've got Hasbro's Thundercracker, Acid Storm, and Sunstorm. None in my collection have this chest problem you speak of.

Agreed. Those loose comments have me scratching my head as well. I don't think the plane mode was compromised on MP-11 either.

It's like saying MP-1 is better than MP-10. It's nuts. The newer molds are better engineered and far more G1 accurate, simple reality.

All this talk of MP Starscream...

I am in need of a Masterpiece Starscream with a G1 deco and could be willing to offer my MP-03 Greenscream, boxed but no insert if anyone is up for a swap?
UK preferred due to shipping costs etc.

Ironhidensh wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:See, I don't even understand how your chest piece isn't "locking in" sufficiently. I can handle my MP-11 molds and move them about, flip them around upside down, shake them, whatever, and the chest stays in place. I've got Hasbro's Thundercracker, Acid Storm, and Sunstorm. None in my collection have this chest problem you speak of.

Agreed. Those loose comments have me scratching my head as well. I don't think the plane mode was compromised on MP-11 either.

It's like saying MP-1 is better than MP-10. It's nuts. The newer molds are better engineered and far more G1 accurate, simple reality.

i dont think that comparison is fair. MP11 is a retool of MP03, whereas 1 and 10 are completely different.

if theres nothing wrong with your guys' MP11's, awesome. but ive got 5 and counting and theyre all loose. my MP03's are solid. im only reporting what ive experienced, and i know others have had similar experiences.

To be blunt, I think both of these damned molds feel cheap considering the costs. MP-03 Skywarp (Takara) was the first Masterpiece TF I ever bought, and it came really close to convincing me never to buy another MP. I didn't buy another MP until Grimlock, which redeemed the Masterpiece line for me.

I STILL need a MP SS for my collection, but I refuse to pay for another Seeker of any mold. I have 2 MP-03s and 1 MP-11. That is all for me.

Wolfman Jake wrote:See, I don't even understand how your chest piece isn't "locking in" sufficiently. I can handle my MP-11 molds and move them about, flip them around upside down, shake them, whatever, and the chest stays in place. I've got Hasbro's Thundercracker, Acid Storm, and Sunstorm. None in my collection have this chest problem you speak of.

If I remember correctly on MP-03 the cod piece could flip down allowing the shoulder/chest assembly to slide down and be locked into place when the cod piece was flipped back up. The MP-11 redo doesn't have the moving cod piece although the chest stays fine as long as you don't get too crazy with it. It doesn't help that Hasbro uses the MP-03 instructions for the newer models.

Ready to get those rumour engines revving again? Site owner Seibertron is currently in Indianapolis, visiting the Children's Museum exhibition on our favourite transforming robots - Transformers: Robots in Disguise. We will have further information from the show at a later stage, but in the meantime, to stoke the flames of Starscream speculation - after a Masterpiece rumour, a new Generations Leader - how about a look at a prototype for a potential upcoming Voyager figure of the current leader of Cybertron? Check out the images below, showing the body we've seen on the IDW comics covers and in fact, even a similar pose...

UPDATE: Further speculation seems to link this figure to an upscaled version of the Legends class Generations Starscream toy. Compare the latter's images to the ones of the prototype posted below, now with better photography from Seibertron himself!





Transformers Generations Starscream Gallery

Ohhh, me likes it! I hope the wings are mistransformed because it look somewhat weird. Nevertheless, as a Screamers fan, I WILL get that voyager Starscream for my collection. Especially if it's a brand new mold.

Kinda fugly. Should have made it look more like the classics mold. That mold will never be topped.

Ironhidensh wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:See, I don't even understand how your chest piece isn't "locking in" sufficiently. I can handle my MP-11 molds and move them about, flip them around upside down, shake them, whatever, and the chest stays in place. I've got Hasbro's Thundercracker, Acid Storm, and Sunstorm. None in my collection have this chest problem you speak of.

Agreed. Those loose comments have me scratching my head as well. I don't think the plane mode was compromised on MP-11 either.

It's like saying MP-1 is better than MP-10. It's nuts. The newer molds are better engineered and far more G1 accurate, simple reality.

My MP-11 dosent tab in bot mode, chest panels move when I move the arms and if I pick him up by the torso the whole assembly slides upwards. Its an annoyance but I still love this guy.