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News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sat Aug 01, 2015 5:57 pm

william-james88 wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:I was waiting for confirmation, hoping for something different, but alas I'll have to track down a MP-11 so I can have the coronation gear. FYI folks if this is like MP Thundercracker it will come with the original MP-03 instructions.

Maybe you could PM Ironhidesh, he wants to sell his.

And logically, as I stated above, Ironhidesh will only lose whilst Chug will win big time. Depending of the price, that is.

News Credits: 25 · by **Ironhidensh** » Sat Aug 01, 2015 6:42 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Thankfully, I got my order in in time. Now to stick my Takara MP-11 on eBay.

Why? The Takara version is still arguably superior, if only for the coronation gear. You've already got the best package, so why downgrade now?

Also, unless your MP-11 is sealed, you will never get back enough money to make it worth it.

Let's say because he's used, you're able to sell it for 120$. Maybe 150$ if we're generous. You have to charge for shipping so let's go with 20$ for an example. 170$ total. Paypal first charge around 5.52$ in fees. Ebay then charge 17$ in fees at the very basic. That's 23$ in fees. You're down to 147$. Now, you have to ship the thing. Let's assume you pay noting for the packaging because you are smart enough to re-use what you got from previous purchases. To get to the post office, let's assume you pay around 5$ of gaz or bus fare. 142$ remain. You pay the 20$ to ship the thing. 122$ remain.

Great. Now you have 122$ in your pocket. BUT WAIT! How much did you pay MP-11 initially? The price for an american was around 200$ shipped. That's 50$ you just lost (because remember, you sold it for 150$ at best, not counting the 20$ of shipping). 72$ remain. Now, you are extremely lucky and are able to buy Hasbro MP-07 Starscream at the incredible price of 60$. Add sale taxes. I dunno where you live or what your taxes are, but let's say 10%. That's 6$. So, 72$ - 66$ mean 6$ remain clear in your pocket. All in all, you went through a sh!tload of trouble to just sell the coronation gear for 6$. You can just barely buy a basic fastfood meal with that.

But, really, do you think TrU will really leave Starscream's price at 60$? Hell no. When Starscream will be in stock, he will be 80$US for sure. In that case, with 10% taxes, it will be 88$. So, all in all, you will be in the RED of about -16$. For replacing the corronation gear with a jet stand.

So, yeah. Selling your Takara MP-11 for Hasbro's MP-07 is a very, very dumb idea.

I don't think you know how to eBay correctly, son. I've never once failed to get the price I wanted. I start the auction at ten below the price I want and then I leave it. Sure, it might take a few weeks, but I'm patient.

It's the same when I buy stuff. I wait till my low bid makes it through, I only paid 130 for MP-11 brand new. Patients. It always pays.

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:15 pm

Ironhidensh wrote: I only paid 130 for MP-11 brand new. Patients. It always pays.

Well, you have one more reason NOT to sell your MP-11. At least, yours was a great purchase.

Also, if the only difference between Hasbro MP Screamers and the Takara one is the coronation gear, the interest adn price of the Takara MP-11 will go down.

If you are going to sell a MP-03 for Hasbro's MP-07, it could be all right because you won't lose any money. You may even MAKE money. But I stand by that selling your Takara MP-11 to get Hasbro's MP-07 is a bad idea.

News Credits: 10 · by **sol magnus** » Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:58 pm

Glad to see they're doing it, but I for one am fine with my MP-11. I'll probably pick one up for my buddy, though, at friend prices...

News Credits: 16 · by **It Is Him** » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:30 pm

$60 is a great price on this, so maybe ebay and b/s/t prices won't be too bad.

News Credits: 4532 · by **william-james88** » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:50 pm

It Is Him wrote:$60 is a great price on this, so maybe ebay and b/s/t prices won't be too bad.

Well, its a TRU exclusive, so usually stores to which it isnt exclusive to will jack up its price since they must buy it at a premium (unless its a shared exclusive).

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:56 pm

william-james88 wrote:
It Is Him wrote:$60 is a great price on this, so maybe ebay and b/s/t prices won't be too bad.

Well, its a TRU exclusive, so usually stores to which it isnt exclusive to will jack up its price since they must buy it at a premium (unless its a shared exclusive).

Also, at only 60$, scalpers will jump on it like rabid wolves on lambs.

by **jay5** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:39 am

Why are they bringing back the older style mold instead of the improved one?

News Credits: 1 · by **SkyWarpt** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:28 am

Dagnabit!!! :BANG_HEAD:

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:44 am

jay5 wrote:Why are they bringing back the older style mold instead of the improved one?

Uh?

I think you may be confused here.

News Credits: 4532 · by **william-james88** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:24 am

jay5 wrote:Why are they bringing back the older style mold instead of the improved one?

Yeah, dude, this is the improved mold. The older one has long airplane parts hanging off it's side, this one doesnt.

www.youtube.com/user/kids · by **digktialx** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:50 am

Dang saw this yesterday and immediately went to the preorder page but they were already out! I've been on the fence for several of the recent releases like Combiner Wars Devastator but this guy is a MUST HAVE for me. I did have the original Wal-Mart version but once I got Thundercracker (the new improved mold) I sold him shortly after. Now the missing seeker can be filled (well as soon as they do Skywarp which I missed...)

by **Razama** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 5:10 pm

Ironhidensh wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Thankfully, I got my order in in time. Now to stick my Takara MP-11 on eBay.

Why? The Takara version is still arguably superior, if only for the coronation gear. You've already got the best package, so why downgrade now?

Also, unless your MP-11 is sealed, you will never get back enough money to make it worth it.

Let's say because he's used, you're able to sell it for 120$. Maybe 150$ if we're generous. You have to charge for shipping so let's go with 20$ for an example. 170$ total. Paypal first charge around 5.52$ in fees. Ebay then charge 17$ in fees at the very basic. That's 23$ in fees. You're down to 147$. Now, you have to ship the thing. Let's assume you pay noting for the packaging because you are smart enough to re-use what you got from previous purchases. To get to the post office, let's assume you pay around 5$ of gaz or bus fare. 142$ remain. You pay the 20$ to ship the thing. 122$ remain.

Great. Now you have 122$ in your pocket. BUT WAIT! How much did you pay MP-11 initially? The price for an american was around 200$ shipped. That's 50$ you just lost (because remember, you sold it for 150$ at best, not counting the 20$ of shipping). 72$ remain. Now, you are extremely lucky and are able to buy Hasbro MP-07 Starscream at the incredible price of 60$. Add sale taxes. I dunno where you live or what your taxes are, but let's say 10%. That's 6$. So, 72$ - 66$ mean 6$ remain clear in your pocket. All in all, you went through a sh!tload of trouble to just sell the coronation gear for 6$. You can just barely buy a basic fastfood meal with that.

But, really, do you think TrU will really leave Starscream's price at 60$? Hell no. When Starscream will be in stock, he will be 80$US for sure. In that case, with 10% taxes, it will be 88$. So, all in all, you will be in the RED of about -16$. For replacing the corronation gear with a jet stand.

So, yeah. Selling your Takara MP-11 for Hasbro's MP-07 is a very, very dumb idea.

I don't think you know how to eBay correctly, son. I've never once failed to get the price I wanted. I start the auction at ten below the price I want and then I leave it. Sure, it might take a few weeks, but I'm patient.

It's the same when I buy stuff. I wait till my low bid makes it through, I only paid 130 for MP-11 brand new. Patients. It always pays.

I've been there before even at fixed prices. Stupid fees. I'd try other sources before selling ebay but I'd assume there would be a rise to the demand of mp11 since the desired accessories are not with this Hasbro release. I for one will be looking into mp11 prices.

News Credits: 16 · by **It Is Him** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:26 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
It Is Him wrote:$60 is a great price on this, so maybe ebay and b/s/t prices won't be too bad.

Well, its a TRU exclusive, so usually stores to which it isnt exclusive to will jack up its price since they must buy it at a premium (unless its a shared exclusive).

Also, at only 60$, scalpers will jump on it like rabid wolves on lambs.

Well hopefully BBTS acts like rabid wolves and gets a bunch of them. They typically double whatever retail price is for exclusives, and even at $120 that's a nice savings from Japanese MP11 prices.

News Credits: 4532 · by **william-james88** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:32 pm

It Is Him wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
It Is Him wrote:$60 is a great price on this, so maybe ebay and b/s/t prices won't be too bad.

Well, its a TRU exclusive, so usually stores to which it isnt exclusive to will jack up its price since they must buy it at a premium (unless its a shared exclusive).

Also, at only 60$, scalpers will jump on it like rabid wolves on lambs.

Well hopefully BBTS acts like rabid wolves and gets a bunch of them. They typically double whatever retail price is for exclusives, and even at $120 that's a nice savings from Japanese MP11 prices.

Why would you wish to pay double?

News Credits: 65 · by **Wolfman Jake** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:50 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:Also, at only 60$, scalpers will jump on it like rabid wolves on lambs.

It Is Him wrote:Well hopefully BBTS acts like rabid wolves and gets a bunch of them.

As a Lycanthropic American, I'm very uncomfortable with this sudden rise in wolf bashing in this thread.

News Credits: 4532 · by **william-james88** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:56 pm

Wolfman Jake wrote:As a Lycanthropic American, I'm very uncomfortable with this sudden rise in wolf bashing in this thread.

I think this is escalation due to the infinite increase of lycanthropic transformers released this year.

News Credits: 65 · by **Wolfman Jake** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:00 pm

william-james88 wrote:I think this is escalation due to the infinite increase of lycanthropic transformers released this year.

That is just gibberish, dude. :lol:

by **mcfmullen** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:03 pm

To be fair, they're targeting rabid wolves specifically, not the entire wolf population

by **mcfmullen** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:06 pm

Wolfman Jake wrote:
william-james88 wrote:I think this is escalation due to the infinite increase of lycanthropic transformers released this year.

That is just gibberish, dude.

No it isn't. It makes perfect sense. However, the sentence is completely false given that the number of wolf transformers released this year can be counted on one hand - far from infinite.

News Credits: 4532 · by **william-james88** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:19 pm

mcfmullen wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:
william-james88 wrote:I think this is escalation due to the infinite increase of lycanthropic transformers released this year.

That is just gibberish, dude.

No it isn't. It makes perfect sense. However, the sentence is completely false given that the number of wolf transformers released this year can be counted on one hand - far from infinite.

Read carefully, the increase is infinite, not the amount of toys. There were no werewolf TFs last year (or at least planned for distribution last year). And this year we have at least 5 I can think of (but only 2 different characters). Any number over 0 is an infinite increase.

News Credits: 65 · by **Wolfman Jake** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:49 pm

mcfmullen wrote:To be fair, they're targeting rabid wolves specifically, not the entire wolf population

Canines being rabid is just a gross stereotype! [-(

Anyway, any animal that is legitimately infected with rabies won't be very interested in eating. They bite because the rabies virus causes brain swelling and affects behavior, making animals more aggressive to promote transmission of the disease through saliva. When you have rabies, you can't even swallow water, or your own saliva, hence foaming at the mouth, because of loss of throat muscle control. This makes it easier for the virus to find a new host through copious saliva production in the mouth and a tendency to want to sink your teeth into another animal's flesh. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle!

william-james88 wrote:
mcfmullen wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:
william-james88 wrote:I think this is escalation due to the infinite increase of lycanthropic transformers released this year.

That is just gibberish, dude.

No it isn't. It makes perfect sense. However, the sentence is completely false given that the number of wolf transformers released this year can be counted on one hand - far from infinite.

Read carefully, the increase is infinite, not the amount of toys. There were no werewolf TFs last year (or at least planned for distribution last year). And this year we have at least 5 I can think of (but only 2 different characters). Any number over 0 is an infinite increase.

Any number greater than 0 is still a finite increase in quantity. Infinity isn't a number, it's a concept. Two is a very definable quantity and is certainly not "infinity" as such. If you're talking about any number OVER 0, as in division by zero, that's not infinity either. That's undefined.

News Credits: 4532 · by **william-james88** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:54 pm

Wolfman Jake wrote:
Any number greater than 0 is still a finite increase in quantity. Infinity isn't a number, it's a concept. Two is a very definable quantity and is certainly not "infinity" as such. If you're talking about any number OVER 0, as in division by zero, that's not infinity either. That's undefined.

In that case, please fill in the blank:

This year we have ____ more times the amount of werewolf transformers we had last year.

That is all I was trying to say.

News Credits: 65 · by **Wolfman Jake** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:04 pm

william-james88 wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:
Any number greater than 0 is still a finite increase in quantity. Infinity isn't a number, it's a concept. Two is a very definable quantity and is certainly not "infinity" as such. If you're talking about any number OVER 0, as in division by zero, that's not infinity either. That's undefined.

In that case, please fill in the blank:

This year we have ____ more times the amount of werewolf transformers we had last year.

That is all I was trying to say.

The trick is, you can't really say that in that way. Well, you could, but it would be confusing and kind of meaningless. Any quantity multiplied by 0 is simple 0. So, if you were to "double" 0, it would still be zero. You just have to settle with saying, "this year, we have two more werewolf Transformers than we had last year."