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by **Rated X** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:39 pm

Looks good. If it was smaller I would have bought it. Its basically neo aesthetics at MP scale. Thats a weird combination that definitely cost warbotron a chunk of potential sales. I like to fill in the gaps of my hasbro collection and replace the weak links. I have no interest in replacing my entire hasbro collection just to upgrade the size of the figures. I think deluxe scale is the perfect size for troops and grunts. I didnt even like springer as a voyager scale figure. I do see why it was popular though since springer was the wreckers leader in comic fiction. But blurr is no leader and doesnt need to tower over other figures like hot rod and kup.

News Credits: 293 · by **shajaki** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:41 pm

those blues are quite nice. looks good. if he were deluxe sized id consider it. while i do have united blurr (who looks amazing) it is still just a retool. id like him to have an original mold.

News Credits: 33 · by **Genocide G2.0** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:57 pm

I'm not sure what it is but 3rdps are creating a new scale with the voyager sized figures , for me it's perfect as it fits my classics and if need be MP ... it's a fine line as most are a tad smaller if not the same size as Hegemon but then you wouldn't have Hegemon in your MP collection , it works for me .

by **Rated X** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 3:26 pm

Autobot Genocide wrote:I'm not sure what it is but 3rdps are creating a new scale with the voyager sized figures , for me it's perfect as it fits my classics and if need be MP ... it's a fine line as most are a tad smaller if not the same size as Hegemon but then you wouldn't have Hegemon in your MP collection , it works for me .

What it is is that they are running out of "gaps" to fill in classics collections. Now theyre trying to encourage collectors to replace their hasbro figures altogether by using size as the selling point. Im not buying into it. Most of the vintage G1 autobot cars were deluxe scale anyways. In some cases the deluxe classics upgrade was taller than the vintage toy. I like to reserve voyager scale for high ranking characters in a faction. Hasbro has never had a problem delivering us those characters in voyager scale. So for me this whole new trend is overkill and alot of money saved.

News Credits: 12 · by **Evil Eye** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 3:29 pm

Who knows, eventually they might have to start making *gasp* original concepts!

Or some stuff for continuities outside G1. A decent ROTF Devastator would be real nice, guys. Or how about a replacement tail and shield for Leader Grimlock that gives him better looking dino mode and awesome-er weapons?

News Credits: 112 · by **megatronus** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:23 pm

Rated X wrote:What it is is that they are running out of "gaps" to fill in classics collections. Now theyre trying to encourage collectors to replace their hasbro figures altogether by using size as the selling point. Im not buying into it. Most of the vintage G1 autobot cars were deluxe scale anyways. In some cases the deluxe classics upgrade was taller than the vintage toy. I like to reserve voyager scale for high ranking characters in a faction. Hasbro has never had a problem delivering us those characters in voyager scale. So for me this whole new trend is overkill and alot of money saved.

I'm with you on this. I'm happy with my swarm of Autobot deluxes. I don't necessarily need to dip into 3rd Parties for characters Hasbro has already done.

I could use a few larger Decepticons, but right now they're fairly well represented. I have no interest in a 3rd Party Astrotrain or any non-Combiner related voyagers... I think ManiaKing is as far as I'm willing to go as far as stand alone characters are concerned.

News Credits: 4 · by **Tsutsukakushi** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 6:37 pm

I'm glad that 3rd parties and HasTak are doing Voyager scale toys for the 1984 to 1985 bigger cars-bots. Think the bigger Voyager scale will take these characters designs to the next level. As more parts can get added on the toys, Higher sculpt, Less compact toys and superior joints tech getting used.

Happy that 3rd parties are making more and more bigger toys. As this pleases some fans who like the bigger scaled toys.

by **necr0blivion** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 6:59 pm

You could also say that this figure fits some collections because it DOES NOT replace Generations Blurr. This is more inline with a Cybertronian design as opposed to the sports car used for Generations. However, quite true that this is another scale than what is already dictated for Classics.

Either way, I'm still liking this guy.

News Credits: 4 · by **Tsutsukakushi** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:52 pm

Sorry, I'm not prepared to let CHUG dictate my 3rd party TF toy purchases. As I felt the CHUG toys did not scale right next to each other CHUG toys within the toy line itself.

Examples, 2.0 Powerglide, 2.0 Onslaught and 2.0 Silverbolt all getting the eight inch Ultra scaled toys. While 2.0 Galvatron, 2.0 Cyclonus and RTS-G G-1 Scourge all got deluxe scaled toys. RTS-G Seaspray getting a Voyager toy while 1.0 Grimlock and RTS-G Thunderwing got deluxe toys.

The Seekers in the 1984 to 1985 cartoon series were shown a scale or Two bigger than the regular 1984 to 1985 Autobots cars-bots in cartoon series. So correctly scaled CHUG toys that match the G-1 cartoon would of had the CHUG Seekers being Voyager scale while the Chug regular cars-bots got Deluxe toys.

CHUG Astrotrain and CHUG Blitzwing need to be the same toy scale. Not one bigger and the other smaller. Think CHUG Astrotrain got the wrong scaled toy as Astrotrain in all modes was shown a scale or Two bigger than the Regular Autobots cars-bots in the 1980's TF cartoon series.

If Chug was trying to create toys based off their 1980's cartoon appearances scale. Then 1.0 Jetfire would have been Two plus toy scales bigger than 1.0 Voyager Optimus and 1.0 Voyager Megatron.

Having the 30th Insecticons at the Legends toy scale is vastly wrong if one if buying CHUG toys based off the 1980's cartoon appearances compared to other characters scale in the cartoons. Correctly scaled CHUG Insecticons would be Deluxe-Voyager scale not Legends toy scale.

I can list over 100 plus wrongly scaled CHUG toys but won't do so. As I don't have the time to do so and some know what most of them are anyways.

by **Rated X** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:20 pm

Tsutsukakushi wrote:I'm glad that 3rd parties and HasTak are doing Voyager scale toys for the 1984 to 1985 bigger cars-bots. Think the bigger Voyager scale will take these characters designs to the next level. As more parts can get added on the toys, Higher sculpt, Less compact toys and superior joints tech getting used.

Happy that 3rd parties are making more and more bigger toys. As this pleases some fans who like the bigger scaled toys.

The complexity and quality of a figure is only limited by the budget, not its size. Now we are getting legends scale figures with deluxe class engineering that cost 50 bucks a pop. Maybe if you were willing to take the plunge and buy maketoys quantron you would debunk your theory about smaller figures having less parts and poor engineering. Also some of the movie line deluxe class figures were among the most complex ever such as ROTF rampage and breakaway.

by **Rated X** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:21 pm

Tsutsukakushi wrote:I'm glad that 3rd parties and HasTak are doing Voyager scale toys for the 1984 to 1985 bigger cars-bots. Think the bigger Voyager scale will take these characters designs to the next level. As more parts can get added on the toys, Higher sculpt, Less compact toys and superior joints tech getting used.

Happy that 3rd parties are making more and more bigger toys. As this pleases some fans who like the bigger scaled toys.

The complexity and quality of a figure is only limited by the budget, not its size. Now we are getting legends scale figures with deluxe class engineering that cost 50 bucks a pop. Maybe if you were willing to take the plunge and buy maketoys quantron you would debunk your theory about smaller figures having less parts and poor engineering. Also some of the movie line deluxe class figures were among the most complex ever such as ROTF rampage and breakaway.

News Credits: 293 · by **shajaki** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:28 pm

i dont know if its because people prefer hasbros classics/generations scale or not, but isnt it easier to conform to it? most peoples collections are probably 90% hastak and 10% 3rd party. why shouldnt 3P try to conform to the official products than invent their own scale?

i dont think many people will base an entire collection around 3P products simply for scale, besides it would take forever. hastak gives us 15ish figures every quarter between various lines, no way any one 3P company can compete with that. and then do you mix and match between 3P's? what if THEIR scales dont match eachother? hell, aesthetics rarely ever match between companies.

News Credits: 112 · by **megatronus** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:21 pm

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Scale complaints.

You need to give the Classics line more leeway. We wouldn't have the modern Generations line without Classics, and most of those toys were simply fantastic.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:CHUG Astrotrain and CHUG Blitzwing need to be the same toy scale. Not one bigger and the other smaller.

By all means, criticize the scale discrepancies of figures that came out 8 years apart...

News Credits: 1 · by **Gauntlet101010** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:51 pm

Unless I see a side by side, I still think it's too big for my collection. If it were exactly the same size as CHUG Blurr I'd have been down.

I know scale's a losing game, but my current movie mix actually looks rather nice together.

News Credits: 14 · by **robotmel** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 5:15 am

My, my, what a handsome chap! Really looking forward to this after their awesome Deluxe Gears!

News Credits: 33 · by **Genocide G2.0** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:33 am

Classics wise my collection is probably 90% 3rdp - 10% hasbro once you break down the combiners .

If i count almost 3 complete movie collections then yeah the tables turn .

This new voyager height / MP scale whatever it is , it is taking over the deluxe scale there's not too many 3rdp figures being made to scale with hasbros smaller deluxes .

I think there's only FP/MT really concentrating on smaller figures for that group.

Personally i'm loving the voyagers it's my preferred height a good 6-7" not just transformers but figures from any toy line (i blame NECA) unless it's 80/90's vintage

But yeah between MP and 3rdp i can honestly see hasbro classic deluxe being a thing of the past in my collection , i will still buy deluxe but it will be for say minibots , fembots , the fuction x line not many will pass before long though .

News Credits: 461 · by **mooncake623** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:20 am

BBTS

$104.99
http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=SXS10014&mode=retail

by **Lord Raze** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:57 am

Easy pass at that price, nothing they have shown so far justifies that price.

News Credits: 10 · by **Agamemnon** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:48 am

Lord Raze wrote:Easy pass at that price, nothing they have shown so far justifies that price.

Well, maybe the size. In a deluxe at $60 I'd be sorely tempted. I definitely like the look and engineering...

News Credits: 112 · by **megatronus** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:06 am

Agamemnon wrote:
Lord Raze wrote:Easy pass at that price, nothing they have shown so far justifies that price.

Well, maybe the size. In a deluxe at $60 I'd be sorely tempted. I definitely like the look and engineering...

Their Gears went from 70 to 30, or even 25 at some places. Maybe this will hit clearance, too.

by **necr0blivion** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:10 pm

Another SXS product going beyond *my* estimate of value. It's a shame, because I do like this guy. I also hope that the name is a typo, works better as "Overclocking".

News Credits: 10 · by **Agamemnon** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:21 pm

necr0blivion wrote:Another SXS product going beyond *my* estimate of value. It's a shame, because I do like this guy. I also hope that the name is a typo, works better as "Overclocking".

I had to go back and look. I thought they has missed the "L" not the "C".

:lol:

by **necr0blivion** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:26 pm

Agamemnon wrote:
necr0blivion wrote:Another SXS product going beyond *my* estimate of value. It's a shame, because I do like this guy. I also hope that the name is a typo, works better as "Overclocking".

I had to go back and look. I thought they has missed the "L" not the "C".

I feel an Urban Dictionary entry would be appropriate here. :KREMZEEK: