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chuckdawg1999 wrote:So that Optimus is a new mold and not the redeco/retool of the 3-steper we saw at toy fair?

Looks like a new mold. Judging from the pic he'll be a foot tall, and feature sounds.

Also is it me or does that Vehicon look like the one from Prime but with something different done for its gun? I see a peg coming out of its arm.

Nope, that's perfectly possible with the regular Vehicon. The gun has two small clamps on the bottom so it can attach to the either the sides of the hood (above the wheel covers), or on his forearms. And yes, the 5mm post is actually on the side of the gun, not the bottom

I wish I'd known about Runabout ~2 weeks ago. I would have foregone Blackjack for that. Oh well, Blackjack's not awful or anything.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:So that Optimus is a new mold and not the redeco/retool of the 3-steper we saw at toy fair?

Looks like a new mold. Judging from the pic he'll be a foot tall, and feature sounds.

Also is it me or does that Vehicon look like the one from Prime but with something different done for its gun? I see a peg coming out of its arm.

Nope, that's perfectly possible with the regular Vehicon. The gun has two small clamps on the bottom so it can attach to the either the sides of the hood (above the wheel covers), or on his forearms. And yes, the 5mm post is actually on the side of the gun, not the bottom

I forgot about that. I'm still on the fence about the figure.

That Prime is incredibly interesting, I'm already opening my wallet, but I hope it'll be domestic as well so I don't have to squeeze out more money for import prices...

shajaki wrote:Seibertron sponsors BigBadToyStore and TFsource has listed a bunch of new preorders for the Transformers Adventure TAV and TED lines! The most notable members of this batch are likely Hasbro's Legends Class Groove and Blackjack, seen here as Overdrive and Runabout (G1 Runabout being the obvious homage). The new listings consist of:
-TAV21 Optimus Prime
-TAV22 Sideswipe
-TAV23 Jazz
-TAV24 Microshooter Fracture
-TAV25 Runabout
-TAV26 Overdrive
-TAV27 Microshooter Drift
-TAV28 Grand Vehicon General
-TAV29 Bumblebee Sublime Mode
-TAVVS Sideswipe & Stepper
-TED10 Strongarm
-TED11 Steeljaw
-TED12 Thunderhoof

Keep scrolling to see some shots of the all the new Adventure figures, and be sure to check out TFsource and BigBadToyStore to preorder if you like what you see!

TAV21 brings back memories of Action Master Optimus Prime.

My fingers are still crossed for a Unite / Combiner Wars Deluxe Class Groove.

fenrir72 wrote:

shajaki wrote:Seibertron sponsors BigBadToyStore and TFsource has listed a bunch of new preorders for the Transformers Adventure TAV and TED lines! The most notable members of this batch are likely Hasbro's Legends Class Groove and Blackjack, seen here as Overdrive and Runabout (G1 Runabout being the obvious homage). The new listings consist of:
-TAV21 Optimus Prime
-TAV22 Sideswipe
-TAV23 Jazz
-TAV24 Microshooter Fracture
-TAV25 Runabout
-TAV26 Overdrive
-TAV27 Microshooter Drift
-TAV28 Grand Vehicon General
-TAV29 Bumblebee Sublime Mode
-TAVVS Sideswipe & Stepper
-TED10 Strongarm
-TED11 Steeljaw
-TED12 Thunderhoof

Keep scrolling to see some shots of the all the new Adventure figures, and be sure to check out TFsource and BigBadToyStore to preorder if you like what you see!

TAV21 brings back memories of Action Master Optimus Prime.

There's no need to quote everything. We just saw that and it take too much sp...
...
...dammit.

Is Microshooter Fracture a brand new mold or a redeco of something else?

-Kanrabat- wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:TAV21 brings back memories of Action Master Optimus Prime.

There's no need to quote everything. We just saw that and it take too much sp...
...
...dammit.

Kan, you bring up a good point. Lets give it our best efford to not bog down threads with giant pic heavy quotes people!

-Kanrabat- wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

shajaki wrote:Seibertron sponsors BigBadToyStore and TFsource has listed a bunch of new preorders for the Transformers Adventure TAV and TED lines! The most notable members of this batch are likely Hasbro's Legends Class Groove and Blackjack, seen here as Overdrive and Runabout (G1 Runabout being the obvious homage). The new listings consist of:
-TAV21 Optimus Prime
-TAV22 Sideswipe
-TAV23 Jazz
-TAV24 Microshooter Fracture
-TAV25 Runabout
-TAV26 Overdrive
-TAV27 Microshooter Drift
-TAV28 Grand Vehicon General
-TAV29 Bumblebee Sublime Mode
-TAVVS Sideswipe & Stepper
-TED10 Strongarm
-TED11 Steeljaw
-TED12 Thunderhoof

Keep scrolling to see some shots of the all the new Adventure figures, and be sure to check out TFsource and BigBadToyStore to preorder if you like what you see!

TAV21 brings back memories of Action Master Optimus Prime.

There's no need to quote everything. We just saw that and it take too much sp...
...
...dammit.

Too many pics.I couldn't cut them off as I wanted too. Besides, you also quoted my long quote.

...and Fen, you just re-quoted it.

THOSE WARRIOR CLASS TOYS ARE RIDING IN THAT PRIME!

Totally super awesome cool!

Let's hope that sees a Christmas time domestic release.

megatronus wrote:Is Microshooter Fracture a brand new mold or a redeco of something else?

Hes not really much of a redeco actually, he's just Deployer Fracture for japanese audiences (and anyone willing to import him). We are getting him stateside.

Cobotron wrote::lol: ...and Fen, you just re-quoted it.

THOSE WARRIOR CLASS TOYS ARE RIDING IN THAT PRIME!

Totally super awesome cool!

Let's hope that sees a Christmas time domestic release.

I wish it to you. But I really fear that this guy will be like Lost age prime.



Both are simpler designs aimed at kids, both are optimus, both are made to interact with other figures, and I fear both wont ever get a US release. Is there any precedent in the past 5 years for a figure made and distributed by hasbro to be leaked first by an official listing for a takara product? Aside from quickslinger and brake-neck (if that counts)?

Also, I have a question. Hasbro is the designer behind most if not all these toys. So when it comes to toys like that Optimus or the Lost Age one pictured above, which might/will only be released by Takara, then is it designed by Takara instead? It's so odd to me since these toys seem ingrained with a line fully designed by Hasbro, based on media that is also from hasbro (Age of Extinction and RID 2015). It puzzles and intrigues me how this works. If anyone has a clue, let me know.

william-james88 wrote:Also, I have a question. Hasbro is the designer behind most if not all these toys. So when it comes to toys like that Optimus or the Lost Age one pictured above, which might/will only be released by Takara, then is it designed by Takara instead? It's so odd to me since these toys seem ingrained with a line fully designed by Hasbro, based on media that is also from hasbro (Age of Extinction and RID 2015). It puzzles and intrigues me how this works. If anyone has a clue, let me know.

TakaraTomy has done designs in-house; while Hasbro may request designs to be made, TakaraTomy, as owner of the brand, can create figures on their own without being asked to, based on the (imported) media used. On the flipside, Hasbro has done designs in-house as well, but they are few and far inbetween:

- G2 Power Masters (suspected)
- Energon Deluxe High Wire
- Energon Mega-Dinobot

The long and short of it is that Hasbro does design all of the figures for its own market on paper, but commissions TakaraTomy to do the actual sculpting and refining. TakaraTomy is free to design any additional figures for its own market, but as they're not "ordered" by Hasbro, I wouldn't expect the Takara-only figures to hit state-side immediately.

Quickslinger and Brake-Neck shouldn't count as an argument against the latter statement, as there are signs that the heads were requested and included in the mold from the start, just held back by Hasbro.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Also, I have a question. Hasbro is the designer behind most if not all these toys. So when it comes to toys like that Optimus or the Lost Age one pictured above, which might/will only be released by Takara, then is it designed by Takara instead? It's so odd to me since these toys seem ingrained with a line fully designed by Hasbro, based on media that is also from hasbro (Age of Extinction and RID 2015). It puzzles and intrigues me how this works. If anyone has a clue, let me know.

The long and short of it is that Hasbro does design all of the figures for its own market on paper, but commissions TakaraTomy to do the actual sculpting and refining. TakaraTomy is free to design any additional figures for its own market, but as they're not "ordered" by Hasbro, I wouldn't expect the Takara-only figures to hit state-side immediately.

Quickslinger and Brake-Neck shouldn't count as an argument against the latter statement, as there are signs that the heads were requested and included in the mold from the start, just held back by Hasbro.

Thanks! This is such an interesting partnership.

So do you suspect this new big RID Optimus to be an in house Takara design or a Hasbro design that is being released in Japan first?

Also I just realized that all masterpiece figures are all examples of inhouse Takara designs that are eventually taken by Hasbro to distribute in their market.

william-james88 wrote:So do you suspect this new big RID Optimus to be an in house Takara design or a Hasbro design that is being released in Japan first?

The fact it has non-standard gimmicks and size point to it being a Takara-only design. The RiD2015 line seems to have done away with figure interaction except for the Mini-Cons and their Deployers.

The funny thing is that Lost Age Battle Command Optimus Prime was made to effectively replace Stomp & Chomp Grimlock, and to avoid "Character Saturation": TakaraTomy lines usually have only 2 versions of any character, tops and Grimlock met that quota with the One-Step and the Flip & Change.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:So do you suspect this new big RID Optimus to be an in house Takara design or a Hasbro design that is being released in Japan first?

The fact it has non-standard gimmicks and size point to it being a Takara-only design. The RiD2015 line seems to have done away with figure interaction except for the Mini-Cons and their Deployers.

The funny thing is that Lost Age Battle Command Optimus Prime was made to effectively replace Stomp & Chomp Grimlock, and to avoid "Character Saturation": TakaraTomy lines usually have only 2 versions of any character, tops and Grimlock met that quota with the One-Step and the Flip & Change.

Thats interesting. I am guessing the character saturation only applies to sublines right? Like Lost age and not AOE in general?

And is this also why they are using Warrior Optimus' RID 2015 toy as nemesis, keeping only Big Optimus and that really big gimicky optimus?

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:So do you suspect this new big RID Optimus to be an in house Takara design or a Hasbro design that is being released in Japan first?

The fact it has non-standard gimmicks and size point to it being a Takara-only design. The RiD2015 line seems to have done away with figure interaction except for the Mini-Cons and their Deployers.

The funny thing is that Lost Age Battle Command Optimus Prime was made to effectively replace Stomp & Chomp Grimlock, and to avoid "Character Saturation": TakaraTomy lines usually have only 2 versions of any character, tops and Grimlock met that quota with the One-Step and the Flip & Change.

Thats interesting. I am guessing the character saturation only applies to sublines right? Like Lost age and not AOE in general?

And is this also why they are using Warrior Optimus' RID 2015 toy as nemesis, keeping only Big Optimus and that really big gimicky optimus?

Per subline, yes. TakaraTomy's penchant for wrapping multiple Hasbro sublines into one or two to avoid customer confusion does work against some figures. As it now stands, the two lines contain the following:

Adventure Series (TAV): Warriors, Mini-Cons and Deployers, Generations Legends, plus redecos of older or previously unreleased figures, and normally "TED" figures for characters with no other suitable toy (like Fixit and Underbite)
Easy Dynamic Series (TED): One-Steps, 3-Steps (denoted with "Big") and the odd unreleased AoE One-Step and Power Battler

That leaves the Legions unaccounted for, sorta. Extra Store Giveaways anyone?

When I first saw this, I thought this killed chances of a deluxe groove. Then I realized this was a separate line.

Hopefully Takara does pull a deluxe groove for their Unite Warriors Defensor. A Bike mold makes sense given how it can be remolded into Afterburner.

Liking the colours on the blackjack repaint. The red will look nice on menasor IMO.

william-james88 wrote:

megatronus wrote:Is Microshooter Fracture a brand new mold or a redeco of something else?

Hes not really much of a redeco actually, he's just Deployer Fracture for japanese audiences (and anyone willing to import him). We are getting him stateside.

Reminds me of Soundwave from Prime.

gavinfuzzy wrote:When I first saw this, I thought this killed chances of a deluxe groove. Then I realized this was a separate line.

Hopefully Takara does pull a deluxe groove for their Unite Warriors Defensor. A Bike mold makes sense given how it can be remolded into Afterburner.

Liking the colours on the blackjack repaint. The red will look nice on menasor IMO.

Long time no hear gf. What happened to you?

One thing to keep in mind that even though they're in an Aligned-based toy line (well, separate from anything else as far as TakaraTomy's concerned) the G1-based characters are not confirmed to be their Prime versions. Meaning they may actually be the G1 characters. They include:

TAV16 Bombshell
TAV17 Shrapnel
TAV19 Powerglide
TAV20 Adams (Cosmos)
TAV25 Runabout
TAV26 Override

Roadblock is confirmed to be a new Aligned-based character, as he's mentioned in Gregevor's bio.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:One thing to keep in mind that even though they're in an Aligned-based toy line (well, separate from anything else as far as TakaraTomy's concerned) the G1-based characters are not confirmed to be their Prime versions. Meaning they may actually be the G1 characters. They include:

TAV16 Bombshell
TAV17 Shrapnel
TAV19 Powerglide
TAV20 Adams (Cosmos)
TAV25 Runabout
TAV26 Override

Roadblock is confirmed to be a new Aligned-based character, as he's mentioned in Gregevor's bio.

If they are G1 based then they're in the wrong toy line. Everything in this line so far has been made part of the Adventure line and feature character art in the Adventure style and the circular faction symbols. If they are G1 (etc.) characters then they should be in the Legends line. But then again Legends appears to be over so maybe they're pulling out the shoehorn on this one, depends on the bios.

BTW, all this talk about new characters and not one person has mentioned that Jazz is being repainted into Stepper (Ricochet) for a vs. pack with Sideswipe. I'm going to have get that two pack and hope Sideswipe is repainted as well.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:
BTW, all this talk about new characters and not one person has mentioned that Jazz is being repainted into Stepper (Ricochet) for a vs. pack with Sideswipe. I'm going to have get that two pack and hope Sideswipe is repainted as well.

Emerje

To be fair, its hard to get as excited when there is no deco to go with it.

fenrir72 wrote:

gavinfuzzy wrote:When I first saw this, I thought this killed chances of a deluxe groove. Then I realized this was a separate line.

Hopefully Takara does pull a deluxe groove for their Unite Warriors Defensor. A Bike mold makes sense given how it can be remolded into Afterburner.

Liking the colours on the blackjack repaint. The red will look nice on menasor IMO.

Long time no hear gf. What happened to you?

Nothing much. I still come by to check the forums everyday, just rarely a topic I'll post in. I guess forums are slowly deserted due to social media.

No interest in the RID toyline, I guess its really too simplified for my tastes. Somehow I remember japanese TAV promo shots to have better paint and the lack of the scan-code autobot symbol, but that never happened. So I won't be gettting any RID stuff it seems.

As for Unite warriors, went ahead and pre ordered the 2 combiners (superior, menasor). Between the raised hasbro prices here, (US$24.5 deluxe, US$42 Voyager), and the fact that Takara is giving us the 5th member "early" in a convenient set, I'll jump on it. Still have hopes for a "proper" Defensor with a bike as a limb