ZeroZero wrote:Didn't Optimus hold his own against all the Dinobots in some G1 episode? Could Megatron ever do that? Of course not.
Tasbirk wrote:But since the question is about fighting who has more combat skill and power, Megs clearly comes out on top.
MagnusPrimal wrote:Tasbirk wrote:But since the question is about fighting who has more combat skill and power, Megs clearly comes out on top.
I'm interested in what makes you say this. If you're referring to the G1 cartoon versions, could you list some episodes that support this view? I recall very few, if any, episodes that show Megatron being Prime's physical superior.
MagnusPrimal wrote:No problem!
I think the Autobots were nearly extinct because overall the Decepticons are much better fighters than the Autobots. But in the show, it seemed to me that Prime was superior to Megatron. The movie backed this up, as Prime had Megatron beaten. If Prime had just blasted Megatron when he was down, before Hotrod rushed him, it was over. Even after being mortally wounded, Prime landed a blow on Megatron that finished trashing him, and quite possibly would have lead to Megatron's death.
If you think about it, Prime being at least Megatron's physical equal makes sense, considering that Alpha Trion probably built him that way. And, as much as I hate the idea, the Matrix may have boosted his strength as well, as well as giving him the experience of past Autobot leaders to call on.
Also, the Decepticons may have appeared to lose the battles in the cartoon, but look closer. Sure, they always retreated, but they always had a lot of energon cubes as well. So many, in fact, that they had conquered Cybertron by 2005, only 20 years in the future, which isn't that long to a race with the lifespans of the TFs. Just because they retreated, it didn't mean they'd lost.
The comics are different. At least in the UK ones, Megatron himself believed a Prime going full-out would beat him. In the Dreamwave and IDW continuities, I don't know. In Dreamwave, Megatron had more actual experience, but Prime was boosted by the Matrix, so it's hard to tell who had the advantage there. We don't know Prime's past in IDW, and we're just learning some of Megatron's.
Thenedain wrote:So, the next question would be, how about Optimus Primal and BW Megatron? The majority of this discussion has dealt with the G1 characters, what about their Beast Wars namesakes?k
I personally find it much harder to make a call on that one. Both Primal and Megatron seem to be hardened combatants, so experience might not be as big an issue. I'd almost have to choose Primal, myself, just because as the series goes on he realizes just how desperate his struggle really is, giving him stronger motivation to win. 'Course... same could be said of Megatron...
Well that would depend on what continuality you are talking about in the cartoons it seems the Dinobots as a unit would have the clear advantage over Megatron however in the comics Megatron was clearly the superior and far more powerfull combatant and has been known to take out all the Dinobots at once. Of course Shockwave in the comics has also managed the same thing.ZeroZero wrote:Didn't Optimus hold his own against all the Dinobots in some G1 episode? Could Megatron ever do that? Of course not.
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