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[Dorca]

Saw episode 5 first thing this morning, and the first thing I must say is this. Sounwave.Kicks.MAJORASSAGE! He is like the only Decepticon to kill a human! (That dead army guy on the floor, unless I was just seeing things.) Then, after Miko takes a picture of him, he looks back and takes a picture of them, like "Got yo' bitch ass!" then flies away! That was THE single most epic thing in Transformers history. Thats the kind of TF I'd be if I was a TF, quiet, but with a subtle sense of humor. GO SOUNDVEVE!

Yes. Yes, yes, yes.
(I can kinda picture him on the Decepticon ship, using Megatron voice clips to scare the slag out of Starscream. )

The fight scenes are almost as awesome as the ones in the movie, I love the zombi idea, even though it's a ripoff of one of my ideas, but still.

"Almost"? I think they may be even better, considering that we can actually see what's going on. In the movie, things tended to be too shaky to actually tell what was going on.

Even with all this epic awesomness going on, I still don't like it better than Animated. I know what you're thinking "This kid is freaking stupid, how could you say that!?" Well, I don't know. There was just somthing about Animated that makes me like it more. Like the art style, the characters, the diversity. I mean, it was the first TF show to show Optimus not as the leader, but someone who rises to the rank of leader. Its boring seeing the same Optimus doing the same crap in every series. They freaking changed it up! And had original ideas that suprised us throuought the whole series: Longarm, Sari being a robot, Wazp becoming Wazpinator, Blurr, Ultra Magnus, Starscream, and Prowl's deaths, and it only had one human. And she actually helped! In Prime, there are 3 and the only one who does anything is Raff. Jak doesn't do ****. He's just there. Miko is annoying as hell and will be the one to get all the Autobots and the entire human race killed. But Sari in Animated kicked ass, she is the only "human" to ever hold her own against a Cybertronian, and thats what I liked better with Animated.

Well, Miko did attack Soundwave with an axe. She won some points with me for that one.

I loved Animated too, but I think it's hard to really compare it to Prime. They're so completely different in every way. The animation is different, the tone is different, the story is different, and even the characters are different, at least in the way they're portrayed. Animated was a fun action comedy, while Prime is more of a dark action adventure.

[Sabrblade]

So, how long have the Autobots been on Earth,

At least three years.

how did they get there,

The Ark, which we saw in WFC and read about in Exodus.

where's everyone else? What happened? How did the U.S. Government get involved?

All very good questions that currently have no known answer.

It's not perfect, but it blows just about everything else away (ok, so maybe I'm not a very good authority on that since I haven't followed a series since G1. So?).

Yeah, there is a little something out there called Beast Wars that still pwns this series.

But Sari in Animated kicked ass, she is the only "human" to ever hold her own against a Cybertronian, and thats what I liked better with Animated.

I take it you haven't seen Masterforce yet?

[Burn]

You know, it's a pretty decent show, it's such a shame it has the stink of those two hacks attached to it. You can see their unoriginality and lack of creativity creeping in.

[Galvatron X]

You know, it's a pretty decent show, it's such a shame it has the stink of those two hacks attached to it. You can see their unoriginality and lack of creativity creeping in.

Great comment.

I like you, Burn. You're as cynical and surly as I am!

[HoosierDaddy]

OK guys. I'm sorry if I am reiterating anything here bt i haven't been checking out the forums for a while I i didn't have time to read all five pages of this thread but here is my 2 cents on the Prime series in general.

I think this is easily the best series to come out since G1. beast wars was good but prime just rocks. RID, Armada and Animated were eared for 6 year olds and i couldn't watch them as an adult. FINALLY a series I am thoroughly enjoying. Good plot. they aren't afraid to blow each other away and beat the crap out of each other. I do wish they would have found a voice over that made starscream sound a little more like G1. I wish Soundwave would talk more often and hope he has his vintage voice. but love that Peter Cullen and Frank Welker are voices here.

The only complaint I have is the same as the Live action movie. it bugs me to no end that Bumblebee can't talk.

I hope once the series gets back on track in Feb that they find a way to bring cliffjumper back and hope Dwayne Johnson continues the voice. i found him a fascinating character for what little bit we got to enjoy him.

[Stormer]

So, how long have the Autobots been on Earth,

At least three years.

For some reason I had 3 years in my head - was it said in episode 1?

how did they get there,

The Ark, which we saw in WFC and read about in Exodus.

Sorry, don't have the game. I did read Exodus, but not convinced that these three are supposed to be tied together.

where's everyone else? What happened? How did the U.S. Government get involved?

All very good questions that currently have no known answer.

It's not perfect, but it blows just about everything else away (ok, so maybe I'm not a very good authority on that since I haven't followed a series since G1. So?).

Yeah, there is a little something out there called Beast Wars that still pwns this series.

Ok, stop rolling your eyes at me! I'd love to see Beast Wars...is it on DVD?

[HoosierDaddy]

I disagree that Beast wars owns this series. Beast wars was good but i think once Prime really gets rolling it will be the best series since G1 and dare i say it, with it's dark undertones may eventually be better than G1.

[Dead Metal]

I disagree that Beast wars owns this series. Beast wars was good but i think once Prime really gets rolling it will be the best series since G1 and dare i say it, with it's dark undertones may eventually be better than G1.

Beast Wars was already better than G1, so if Prime is better than Beast Wars, it already is better than G1.

I think what we've seen of the show is pretty decent, but somehow I can't shake the feeling that the shows tone will change after once the main series starts.

[zipper]

I'd love to see Beast Wars...is it on DVD?

Yes! Beast Wars is on DVD and here's a link to Season 1 at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Beast-Wars-Transf ... 960&sr=1-1

I LOVE Beast Wars and own the series on DVD. TF: Prime seems to be the cure for the CGI itch for me now. Drakness Rising is a great storyline and I hope that the rest of Season 1 is just as good if not better. I'm not really concerned with the fact that this series has left questions unanswered. The 3 year absence of the Decepticons would make for a great mini-series (like what they were doing during that time). I can't wait for the return of Megatron, and maybe seeing Unicron too.

[Stormer]

I'd love to see Beast Wars...is it on DVD?

Yes! Beast Wars is on DVD and here's a link to Season 1 at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Beast-Wars-Transf ... 960&sr=1-1

I LOVE Beast Wars and own the series on DVD. TF: Prime seems to be the cure for the CGI itch for me now. Drakness Rising is a great storyline and I hope that the rest of Season 1 is just as good if not better. I'm not really concerned with the fact that this series has left questions unanswered. The 3 year absence of the Decepticons would make for a great mini-series (like what they were doing during that time). I can't wait for the return of Megatron, and maybe seeing Unicron too.

Great! Thanks for the link! I'll get it!

[Rodimus2006]

If Prime continues this way it will be the best series ever made the series is just epic both in look and in story with awesome action and characters that draw you into that world.

I am a G1 original and I am actually liking Prime more than G1 cause of the dark overtone of the series and everthing makes G1 look like a kitty cat in comparison but I respect what G1 has done and how it brought joy to my child-hood.

I see lots of flash-back episode for Prime one showing us the 3 year disappearance of the cons. and another explaining the back story of how the got with Fowler and how they got the Missle Silo I dont think the makers of Prime will leave this story plot a missing gap for to long as I see these as multi-part story lines.

I also see more new characters being introduced in Prime as Optimus clearly stated that some are in hiding in the Galaxy and send a message for them to join them on Earth it is a clear indication that more will join them.

Just sucks we have to wait until Feb 11 but I guess I can watch V and play me some good games until then I waited this long just to watch Prime so another month or so is nothing.

[Vhlad77]

I disagree that Beast wars owns this series. Beast wars was good but i think once Prime really gets rolling it will be the best series since G1 and dare i say it, with it's dark undertones may eventually be better than G1.

im sorry i have to totally disagree that beast wars owns this series and beast wars deffantely didnt own G1. But i will say TFprime is better then deff BW and i will go as far as to say better then G1 as a fan of G1. But what is sad is there is few from work said they didnt like it it was more so so that they didnt like the zombie part, i have to disagree with them this mini series was AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

[Sabrblade]

So, how long have the Autobots been on Earth,

At least three years.

For some reason I had 3 years in my head - was it said in episode 1?

Yes. And episode 2.

how did they get there,

The Ark, which we saw in WFC and read about in Exodus.

Sorry, don't have the game. I did read Exodus, but not convinced that these three are supposed to be tied together.

It's a forced continuity, like how Cybertron/Galaxy Force was forced in with Armada/Micron Densetsu and Energon/Super Link.

Ok, stop rolling your eyes at me! I'd love to see Beast Wars...is it on DVD?

Beast Wars had a total of 3 seasons, which were put on three DVD sets in 2003-2004 (which are all currently out of print).

I disagree that Beast wars owns this series. Beast wars was good but i think once Prime really gets rolling it will be the best series since G1 and dare i say it, with it's dark undertones may eventually be better than G1.

It's too early to declare TF: Prime as being better than Beast Wars. Beast Wars has had 52 episodes and 10+ years of legacy to live off of. TF: Prime has only had five episodes on a channel that's still not that well known to people (half the TF fans I talk to in person have never heard of TF: Prime or even the Hub), and those five episodes weren't even the main story; just an introductory mini-series.

Beast Wars was already better than G1, so if Prime is better than Beast Wars, it already is better than G1.

Truth!

Though, I've a pretty suspicious feeling that Prime will definitely be better than G1 (topping Beast Wars and Animated will be a challenge, though).

[SlyTF1]

You know, it's a pretty decent show, it's such a shame it has the stink of those two hacks attached to it. You can see their unoriginality and lack of creativity creeping in.

I see that too. Most of the lines are from G1 or the movies, Bumblebee can't talk, the characters are just Animated, but with Prowl replaced with Arcee, the zombies have to have their limbs cut or blown off. the space bridge acts just like the space bridges in Animated, the ground bridge works just like the ground bridges in Armada, and when they bring in someone who is an original version of themselves, he gets killed off in the first episode.

[Stormer]

Beast Wars had a total of 3 seasons, which were put on three DVD sets in 2003-2004 (which are all currently out of print).

Yeah, I just looked. It can still be found, but I'll have to forgo buying bananas for awhile...

[Dorca]

So, just watched it again with my roommates, and thought of something that I don't think has been mentioned yet--

What happened to all the Zombicons? Does anyone else find it absolutely horrifying that Cybertron is just full of zombies now? So much for ever going home, Autobots. See what you did, Megatron? See what you did?

[Sabrblade]

So, just watched it again with my roommates, and thought of something that I don't think has been mentioned yet--

What happened to all the Zombicons? Does anyone else find it absolutely horrifying that Cybertron is just full of zombies now? So much for ever going home, Autobots. See what you did, Megatron? See what you did?

Maybe they all got caught in the explosion with Megatron, what with them being so close to the Space Bridge (almost touching Megatron's fingertips) when it blew.

[HoosierDaddy]

So, just watched it again with my roommates, and thought of something that I don't think has been mentioned yet--

What happened to all the Zombicons? Does anyone else find it absolutely horrifying that Cybertron is just full of zombies now? So much for ever going home, Autobots. See what you did, Megatron? See what you did?

Ah, but the plot thickens. What if they find a way to somehow bring them out of that zombie stage and allow the TF universe of characters to come back to their normal selves and really open up the number of characters? I can dream can't I?

[HoosierDaddy]

I'm sure the writers won't do this but since the power of Unicron infused into the sparks of the Bots creates evil zombies why couldn't the autobots find a way to infuse the power of the even more powerful Primus into them to return their sparks to normal? Sure some would still be loyal to the decepticons whiles others would still be loyal to the autobots but it gets rid of the zombie problem.

[Galvatron X]

Regarding the "Zombicons", how exactly did they get to the Space Bridge anyway? Was it on the ground at Cybertron? You mean to tell me an entire planet of Zombicons made it to this space bridge in, what, 2 minutes?

Just thinking out loud here. I'm really not that much of a stickler for details like this...

[Dorca]

Regarding the "Zombicons", how exactly did they get to the Space Bridge anyway? Was it on the ground at Cybertron? You mean to tell me an entire planet of Zombicons made it to this space bridge in, what, 2 minutes?

Just thinking out loud here. I'm really not that much of a stickler for details like this...

Um... um... Dark Energon magic?

By part 3, I came to the conclusion that Dark Energon is capable of anything that is convenient to the plotline.

(I'm usually pretty good at suspension of disbelief. It helps. )

[Burn]

You know, it's a pretty decent show, it's such a shame it has the stink of those two hacks attached to it. You can see their unoriginality and lack of creativity creeping in.

Great comment.

I like you, Burn. You're as cynical and surly as I am!

Sounds like a challenge!

they bring in someone who is an original version of themselves, he gets killed off in the first episode.

This is a good point.

High point of drama - Cliffjumper actually being killed. Sure he MAY come back down the line but he MAY also not.
Low point of drama - Megatron getting blown up and assumed dead.

Again.

'cause that's never been done before and he's never not come back from the dead.

Oh wait, Orci ... Kurtzman ... nevermind.

[MagnusRex]

Rented War For Cybertron and beat it. They are pretty much forcing the continuity of the game and Prime. Thing is, what is the time gap supposed to be between WFC and Prime? There could be a millennium or two, or three, or four, between the game and the show. Which if it is the case, could leave a lot open for interpretation. Sure, dark energon was pretty common in WFC, but if a great deal of time has passed it could have become scarce.

[zer0das]

So I haven't all the posts here, but I'll just make some criticisms:

1. MIKO's Voice Actress.
-She's supposed to be voicing an exchange student from Japan, however her accent is Mexican. Living in Southern California, this is quite jarring and difficult to believe. Even the actress herself is Asian--at least get the accent on the correct side of the globe.

2. ORCI & KURTZMAN.
-These guys can't write human kids.
Not only did they fail effectively address "why" these kids are important--because they're not. And yet they allow them to get in the way all the time forcing the kids to have really precocious skills such as advanced understanding of computers, reckless behavior, and emo-ness. I think that if the kids were advanced on their own terms, having them actually be employed as "interns" by the Autobots like Fowler is some sort of liaison might be better so as they aren't a hindrance/burden, but an asset.

-Momentum
Episodes 1-2 were excellent in terms of pacing.
Episodes 3-5 became increasingly less interesting. There could be a number of reasons for this, but whatever, I'll just leave that at the discretion of the viewer.
>>Keep the action going, and stop using lame plot devices (Dark Energon, Satellite Arrays, Kids).

3. DULL SURPRISE.
-Beast Wars got the facial expressions down very well. Gaping holes as mouths do not impress. I think they could have made this a lot more dynamic. Oh well, at least Megatron looks good.


Some praise:
I like it. The first two episodes are absolutely awesome in terms of story. Yet, the final three episodes seemed lackluster, and thus while I like it, I don't love it. If this series is to top Beast Wars in terms of quality, there's a lot that needs to be stepped up in terms of writing.

[SlyTF1]

So I haven't all the posts here, but I'll just make some criticisms:

1. MIKO's Voice Actress.
-She's supposed to be voicing an exchange student from Japan, however her accent is Mexican. Living in Southern California, this is quite jarring and difficult to believe. Even the actress herself is Asian--at least get the accent on the correct side of the globe.

2. ORCI & KURTZMAN.
-These guys can't write human kids.
Not only did they fail effectively address "why" these kids are important--because they're not. And yet they allow them to get in the way all the time forcing the kids to have really precocious skills such as advanced understanding of computers, reckless behavior, and emo-ness. I think that if the kids were advanced on their own terms, having them actually be employed as "interns" by the Autobots like Fowler is some sort of liaison might be better so as they aren't a hindrance/burden, but an asset.

-Momentum
Episodes 1-2 were excellent in terms of pacing.
Episodes 3-5 became increasingly less interesting. There could be a number of reasons for this, but whatever, I'll just leave that at the discretion of the viewer.
>>Keep the action going, and stop using lame plot devices (Dark Energon, Satellite Arrays, Kids).

3. DULL SURPRISE.
-Beast Wars got the facial expressions down very well. Gaping holes as mouths do not impress. I think they could have made this a lot more dynamic. Oh well, at least Megatron looks good.


Some praise:
I like it. The first two episodes are absolutely awesome in terms of story. Yet, the final three episodes seemed lackluster, and thus while I like it, I don't love it. If this series is to top Beast Wars in terms of quality, there's a lot that needs to be stepped up in terms of writing.

All of this. Except for the pacing, I thought each episode got more and more interesting. But it did seem like episodes 1 and 2 where paced better, its just that I thought the ideas of each episode got more exciting. Especially the Optimus VS Megatron, I was waiting for that since the second episode!