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[Sabrblade]

Sabrblade, you first said that Pseudo's robot mode is that of an insect,

Only because it looks like one to me. I could be wrong and it could be something else. I don't know what it is for 100% certain. My saying it looks like a bug is just a guess.

But does that make him an Insecticon?

Not all bug-based Transformers are Insecticons. There's no answer either way.

Now, if Pseudo has a official vehicle mode, what would it most likely be, judging by his insectoid robot mode.

There is no telling what his altmode is. Nor does anyone on this site (myself included) know what his altmode is. Every one of us is as in the dark about this as you are.

[psj333]

Well, okay, Sabrblade. I didn't actually say that Pseudo does have an official altmode. I'm just saying if and only if he were to have one, what would it be? I am not asking you to be perfect here. I just want you to take a guess of what his official altmode might be most preferred choice for Pseudo if he were to return in the series. That's all.

[Sabrblade]

Well, okay, Sabrblade. I didn't actually say that Pseudo does have an official altmode. I'm just saying if and only if he were to have one, what would it be? I am not asking you to be perfect here. I just want you to take a guess of what his official altmode might be most preferred choice for Pseudo if he were to return in the series. That's all.

And like I said, I don't know. I have no guesses. It doesn't really matter to me what his altmode is.

[Flashwave]

Well, okay, Sabrblade. I didn't actually say that Pseudo does have an official altmode. I'm just saying if and only if he were to have one, what would it be? I am not asking you to be perfect here. I just want you to take a guess of what his official altmode might be most preferred choice for Pseudo if he were to return in the series. That's all.

You're DRASTICALLY overthinking things. the whole point to the Shidfters is that they don't have ANY altmodes, they have EVERYTHING/ONE. A T-Cog in permanent overdrive: able to both scan and maintain the file for any bot or object around and seemingly within reason, transform back and forth between previous scans, unlike most Transformers (and this is my gripe with what Rescue Bots has done) who can only hold onto 1 or 2 blueprints at a time, and only simple ones like a vehicle or simple machine; as opposed to a Cybertronian, and I'm only guessing that's why a T-Cog can't configure off an existing bot. But I don't think that's EVER been addressed one way or the other in ANY media, other than once sort-of in the original 2001 RID series, so don't ask and yes, we organics are simple machines, just made out of stranger materials.

And that IS an answer to your question. Shifters are very likely open-minded, superior thinking beings. Why would he limit himself (or herself) to a single form when he has a bag-of-tricks? An Alt mode, for a Shifter, is a tool, not a personality or fashion statement the way Sideswipe chose a sportscar, or Strongarm chose a vehicle "that had law-enforcement written all over it".

[Sabrblade]

the whole point to the Shidfters is that they don't have ANY altmodes,

I ask this again. What fiction out there has said that all Shifters don't have their own personal altmodes in addition to all the of non-personal ones they've scanned from others for shifting purposes?

If there is a source for this out there, I'd like to go back and take a look what it said about this.

But I don't think that's EVER been addressed one way or the other in ANY media, other than once sort-of in the original 2001 RID series,

What was this "once sort-of" from that show? (I've forgotten )

[Flashwave]

the whole point to the Shidfters is that they don't have ANY altmodes,

I ask this again. What fiction out there has said that all Shifters don't have their own personal altmodes in addition to all the of non-personal ones they've scanned from others for shifting purposes?

If there is a source for this out there, I'd like to go back and take a look what it said about this.

I was getting more at their overall ability and what it means to them, It's corrollary, but I'm working it off what little of Makeshift's introduction we got and the religious legned of the Shifters and Adaptus. Sure, it's entirely possible that a Shifter could look at a Mercelengo and go "ooh! Shiny! Mine!" but the counterpoint to that, which is in and of itself unproven theory, is why when he was escaping, did Pseudo have to use one of the Bot's alt modes instead of his own? By that point, his cover was blown. and so far, every escaped Decepticon has kept their Cybertronian alt if they didn't have an Earth form. He did, eventually, scan the train (YAY!) but that was more or less handwaive storytelling, I think. And I'm sure that files under "his alt mode" because it wasn't an Autobot's.

But I don't think that's EVER been addressed one way or the other in ANY media, other than once sort-of in the original 2001 RID series,

What was this "once sort-of" from that show? (I've forgotten )

Scourge. He got The Tanker Truck, Kelly (screamy lady with the INSANE Insurance premiums, ) And Optimus Prime. But even then, it was more that he got physical traits of Prime than being able to scan a fellow Transformer. I'd love to see a series go into Alts more in depth. You could make a decent children's epabout picking an Alt/finidng an identity that's "You". Rescue Bots touched on it with the Pilot and again when Salvage was picking his mode, and RID15 took 45 seconds in the Junkyard about it, But I'm thinking more world-buildy stuff. "Wait up! I'm stuck without wheels!" "If yuo need an alt, scan his." "I can't scan HIM, that's indecent!"

or "Dude! I already scanned that! Go pick another one! I had it first!" (That'd be like the ultimate commentary on Hasbro's repaint fodder.)

[Flashwave]

More to topic:

I think Ep24 has become my favorite, on grounds of the Car Chase And the Ghost town scene These are robots who turn into cars, and seeing them put these alts through their paces flying over hills for extended scenes. has been awesome. Sure, we get snippets of pursuits in Prime, and the gang in Rescue Bots driving places, but the focusa seems to be more on the driver/cockpit or what their chasing. This was the first time it really made an impression on me. Even the ep in Prime when Bumblebee Skateboards down the hill in Denny's truck after Knockout, we see more of Bumblebee's robot riding a truck than we do Knockout.

[Flashwave]

I loved the season finale, If season 1 was a warm up I look forward to season 2.

Rather disappointing in my opinion Mostly with all the Decepticons captured except for Steeljaw and Kickback not including those yet to be revealed as well as the fact that Optimus is a permanent member of the team which is stupid and undermines the whole point of it being Bumblebee's story even if Bee is still in charge oh and the fact that Jazz has not reappeared but that ones just a minor annoyance

Actually, I think this sets up an interesting small story arc for Bee in learning Optimus' place. And for Optimus too, in watching his pupil all growed up. And if they really wanted to go the extra mile, give a foil for Drift and the minicons to work off of, with Drift learning not only from Bumblebee's teamwork, but from Optimus' letting go of the reigns and letting Slipstream and Jetstorm become themselves. Up to this point, everything they do and are centers around Drift. But what happens when he's not not around? In the finale, Drift says "He is deferring to his mentor instead of his own leadership" and I wanted to say "Duh! So are Slipstream and Jetstorm." They may still have a lot to learn, but they gotta cross that bridge eventually.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Me Grimlock has hurting head. Someone: come up with some canon to explain shifters, publish it and make it official. Too much guessing. PLEASE.

And I think my favorite episode was the finale. I have watched that like 10 times.

[chuckdawg1999]

Hey guys, stupid question, are Fracture and Thunderhoof popular characters now? I've noticed a spike in the views of my one-step changer review and can't figure out why.

[Sabrblade]

Hey guys, stupid question, are Fracture and Thunderhoof popular characters now? I've noticed a spike in the views of my one-step changer review and can't figure out why.

Kinda, yeah. They're semi-recurring characters with interesting enough characteristics and portrayals.

[chuckdawg1999]

Hey guys, stupid question, are Fracture and Thunderhoof popular characters now? I've noticed a spike in the views of my one-step changer review and can't figure out why.

Kinda, yeah. They're semi-recurring characters with interesting enough characteristics and portrayals.

Thanks. Not complaining I just always find it odd when one review does 50 views and another does 15,000

[Sabrblade]

Hey guys, stupid question, are Fracture and Thunderhoof popular characters now? I've noticed a spike in the views of my one-step changer review and can't figure out why.

Kinda, yeah. They're semi-recurring characters with interesting enough characteristics and portrayals.

Thanks. Not complaining I just always find it odd when one review does 50 views and another does 15,000

Well, Thunderhoof's a former crime boss and Fracture's a bounty hunter. And becoming a member of Steeljaw's Pack also seems to help in a Decepticon's growing popularity.

[TGS1985]

I just wanted to stop by to say I recently marathon the show out of pure boredom and I've notice it has come a long way since the pilot. Starting around episode 15 and especially 20 onward I found myself many times busting out laughing as an adult. I feel it's a pretty good middle ground between 2007's animated and 2011's Prime. The voice acting is really good (I'm loving Grimlock) and so is the animation (I just watched the panels on [ep 23 spoiler] Windblade reflect light as she walked). I also have to say it's really nice to see the Transformers actually transform into vehicle mode often in the show instead of being in robot mode for like 95% of the show, and in large groups to boot like in the Ghost Town episode.

It's still throws me off a little to see characters/groups who have been historically been Autobots now be Decepticons, but I feel it works as long as you don't buy into the whole thing that this is the same universe as Prime.

Anyways, I think it's quickly becoming a good show for kids and parents to watch together and I look forward to it's continued success. I know I'll be following it during the summer TV drought.

[PrymeStriker]

It's still throws me off a little to see characters/groups who have been historically been Autobots now be Decepticons, but I feel it works as long as you don't buy into the whole thing that this is the same universe as Prime.

Actually, seeing that a lot of the staff from Prime (the writers and yes, even the animation company) are returning for RID as well as the direct references and plot-points from Prime carrying over (Unicron's husk as Earth's core, Optimus Prime being dead, old characters with the same VAs), there's no reason to not connect it to Prime. Everyone working on the show (save for a few new writers that had no idea it existed) clearly intended for this to be a sequel to Prime and knows what they're doing to avoid inconsistencies between the two cartoons. It's carrying continuity from the games and novels that make a lot of characters and plots out of sync, like Kickback, Grimlock, Sideswipe, etc.

So, basically, trying to connect FoC to this show is going to be a pain way up the ass, but trying to connect to Prime or even Rescue Bots is not going to a problem.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

We should just say Fall of Cybertron universe and the Prime/RiD/RB universe are from mirror universes. Continuity makes more sense. These people need to pay attention to the timelines stuff: gives them an excuse to make up more universes

[Sabrblade]

Oh, yippie, this topic again.

[TGS1985]

Actually, seeing that a lot of the staff from Prime (the writers and yes, even the animation company) are returning for RID as well as the direct references and plot-points from Prime carrying over (Unicron's husk as Earth's core, Optimus Prime being dead, old characters with the same VAs), there's no reason to not connect it to Prime. Everyone working on the show (save for a few new writers that had no idea it existed) clearly intended for this to be a sequel to Prime and knows what they're doing to avoid inconsistencies between the two cartoons. It's carrying continuity from the games and novels that make a lot of characters and plots out of sync, like Kickback, Grimlock, Sideswipe, etc.

So, basically, trying to connect FoC to this show is going to be a pain way up the ass, but trying to connect to Prime or even Rescue Bots is not going to a problem.

Well I haven't played the games (and forgot they were included in this universe), so I was strictly comparing them to the last show, but the point I was trying to make is I just watched episode 22 and being a "Wrecker" went from being a bad ass Autobot special ops member to a Deception mob goon who destroys buildings of Cybertronians that wouldn't vacate their stolen land.

You mentioned that the majority of the same writers that are on RID were on Prime. While I didn't know this I'm not surprise because like I said before it's good stuff. And while I believe they're doing the best they can to make this universe work while fulfilling Hasbro's requirements, there's still such blatant continuity errors that causes confusion like the one I aforementioned.

In short I didn't mean it as a serious complaint but rather a suggestion to simply get past those differences and enjoy the show for what it is. But, yes if we ended up seeing Arcee, Bulkhead, Airachnid, Starscream, or even an Autobot Megatron in RID that be more than welcomed in my book.

Oh, yippie, this topic again.

Sorry, it honestly wasn't my intention to start that topic again, just to voice my overall approval and support for the show.

[Sabrblade]

Well I haven't played the games (and forgot they were included in this universe), so I was strictly comparing them to the last show, but the point I was trying to make is I just watched episode 22 and being a "Wrecker" went from being a bad ass Autobot special ops member to a Deception mob goon who destroys buildings of Cybertronians that wouldn't vacate their stolen land.

It's probably safe to say that it isn't the same kind of "Wrecker". More likely just a descriptor than a reference to a group that Scowl's a part of. After all, Scowl's already a Dinobot anyway.

You mentioned that the majority of the same writers that are on RID were on Prime. While I didn't know this I'm not surprise because like I said before it's good stuff. And while I believe they're doing the best they can to make this universe work while fulfilling Hasbro's requirements, there's still such blatant continuity errors that causes confusion like the one I aforementioned.

The continuity's no less perfect than that of the Unicron Trilogy cartoons or the live action movies. Everyy TF show is a essentially a soft reboot to give a jumping on point for new viewers, so there's always going to be continuity shakiness. It's pretty much the name of the game after having 30 years of it.

[TGS1985]

Okay... Well I just wanted to shared my appreciation of the show. I don't understand all the defensiveness especially considering I gave it much praise.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Okay... Well I just wanted to shared my appreciation of the show. I don't understand all the defensiveness especially considering I gave it much praise.

It is good and it deserves praise for what it is. I liked it and hope they keep it up

[Sabrblade]

Okay... Well I just wanted to shared my appreciation of the show. I don't understand all the defensiveness especially considering I gave it much praise.

It's all good.

It's just that too many like to gang up on and bite the head off this continuity for its discrepancies, as though the continuity should be burned at the stake for its unforgivable sins, ignoring the notion that these issues are no more numerous than those we get and have gotten in other motion picture TF continuities.

Frankly, I'm glad to see that this has been a much better discussion on the matter than most of the more ugly ones have been.

[TGS1985]

It's just that too many like to gang up on and bite the head off this continuity for its discrepancies, as though the continuity should be burned at the stake for its unforgivable sins, ignoring the notion that these issues are no more numerous than those we get and have gotten in other motion picture TF continuities.

Frankly, I'm glad to see that this has been a much better discussion on the matter than most of the more ugly ones have been.

No I got that impression heading into the forum, that's why I was trying to say that that issue can/should be overlooked as the show as a whole is become so good that it can easily be appreciated overall.

I'll admit I ended up having a crappy day yesterday so I probably took what you were saying a little more hostile than I should have.

[Sabrblade]

It's just that too many like to gang up on and bite the head off this continuity for its discrepancies, as though the continuity should be burned at the stake for its unforgivable sins, ignoring the notion that these issues are no more numerous than those we get and have gotten in other motion picture TF continuities.

Frankly, I'm glad to see that this has been a much better discussion on the matter than most of the more ugly ones have been.

No I got that impression heading into the forum, that's why I was trying to say that that issue can/should be overlooked as the show as a whole is become so good that it can easily be appreciated overall.

I'll admit I ended up having a crappy day yesterday so I probably took what you were saying a little more hostile than I should have.

It's all good.

[Va'al]

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