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Story:
"In the 21st century, the war of the Transformers has shifted to space, and seemed for a while that peace had returned to Earth. However, during that time the Autobots had been working together with Earth scientist Professor Chase to develop a new combination system. With it, Autobots would use Power Core Combination to combine themselves with 4 Drones. The Autobot warriors chosen for the process became part of the group known as the Master Class. At the same time, a covert counter-team of Decepticons with the same capability, "Master Chaos," was formed."
The story told on the package backs reflects the atmosphere of the United series, while including characters from earlier Transformers series such as wheelchair-bound genius Chip Chase.
Combatmaster Prime Mode
A Decepticon strategic commander who has been active since the early stages of the war, Combat Master combines with 4 military vehicles. The weapons that line his body provide devastating firepower. In the story, his drones were stolen from the Autobot Chopper Master, who they were originally developed for.
Drones: Morser Drone, Panzer Drone, Kanonier Drone, Spaher Drone
Jetmaster Prime Mode
The Autobot spy Jetmaster combines with 4 jet and helicopter Drones. Jetmaster was the first Autobot to successfully achieve Power Core Combination. The character features details referencing earlier Transformers series, such as that the data for his drones was gathered from the Aerialbots, and that he was born on Planet Z.
Drones: Zone Drone, Feminia Drone, Micro Drone, Tenth Drone
Aerial Warrior Choppermaster
Targetmaster: Firebug
Polar Commander Rollermaster
Targetmaster: Spanner
Hopefully the story will comvince some people to buy PCC when they're out next month.
-Hydra
Now that this preview is out there, it's probably safe for me to explain a few things about this, but...
United EX was written to be part of the Japanese G1 cartoon continuity, as it explicitly takes place near the end of G1. It's not linked to the one-shot Generations manga. This becomes very clear as the story progresses.
My understanding of the United toyline itself is that it doesn't have its own unique continuity (although there are new story elements introduced in it), and basically just depicts various moments of Transformers history, primarily from the Japanese cartoon continuity. Granted, some of the toy forms differ from their G1 cartoon depictions, but that was true for G1 itself...
Some of the naming, such as Master Class and Master Chaos, and obviously individual guys like Grimmaster and Racemaster, is admittedly a little clunky in English, as it was intended for the Japanese market. The product names were determined already, and the Master... was my effort to explain why a whole slew of Transformers might all be called ****Master.
The basic premise is that during a short period of peace on Earth, when most of the fighting occurred offworld, the Autobots were working together with human military organizations to create a combination technology that could be made useful either in times of peace or war. Because most of the more experienced Autobots are away from Earth, they needed to design the system to provide the wearer with considerable power, since the Decepticons gathering on Earth once again might otherwise be a disaster for the remaining Autobot forces. Thus, Prime Mode: a combination form designed to bestow the core with might rivaling that of the Autobots' great leader.
The codename for this group was "Master Class," a gathering of young Autobot professionals in various fields such as recon, defense, construction, etc. who intended to use their skills for the benefit of Earth. Because of the classified nature of the project, each received their own codename, "Masters" with their actual identity not made public. Some joined the team to gain experience, some to prove themselves, and some to make up for past misdeeds. At the same time, a small group of Decepticons lying dormant on Earth got wind of this and formed a counter-group they called "Master Chaos," seeking to seize the drones and take control of Earth in Megatron's absence.
I'll be very excited to see if Japanese fans enjoy the story when the releases begin next month.
-Hydra
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
tigertracks 24 wrote:If the prices were lower I would buy these. I like them, but not for $60 plus.
The story is sounding convincingly cool.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
"In the 21st century, the war of the Transformers has shifted to space, and seemed for a while that peace had returned to Earth. However, during that time the Autobots had been working together with Earth scientist Professor Chase to develop a new combination system. With it, Autobots would use Power Core Combination to combine themselves with 4 Drones. The Autobot warriors chosen for the process became part of the group known as the Master Class. At the same time, a covert counter-team of Decepticons with the same capability, "Master Chaos," was formed."
The story told on the package backs reflects the atmosphere of the United series, while including characters from earlier Transformers series such as wheelchair-bound genius Chip Chase.
Combatmaster Prime Mode
A Decepticon strategic commander who has been active since the early stages of the war, Combat Master combines with 4 military vehicles. The weapons that line his body provide devastating firepower. In the story, his drones were stolen from the Autobot Chopper Master, who they were originally developed for.
Drones: Morser Drone, Panzer Drone, Kanonier Drone, Spaher Drone
Jetmaster Prime Mode
The Autobot spy Jetmaster combines with 4 jet and helicopter Drones. Jetmaster was the first Autobot to successfully achieve Power Core Combination. The character features details referencing earlier Transformers series, such as that the data for his drones was gathered from the Aerialbots, and that he was born on Planet Z.
Drones: Zone Drone, Feminia Drone, Micro Drone, Tenth Drone
Aerial Warrior Choppermaster
Targetmaster: Firebug
Polar Commander Rollermaster
Targetmaster: Spanner
Now that this preview is out there, it's probably safe for me to explain a few things about this, but...
United EX was written to be part of the Japanese G1 cartoon continuity, as it explicitly takes place near the end of G1. It's not linked to the one-shot Generations manga. This becomes very clear as the story progresses.
My understanding of the United toyline itself is that it doesn't have its own unique continuity (although there are new story elements introduced in it), and basically just depicts various moments of Transformers history, primarily from the Japanese cartoon continuity. Granted, some of the toy forms differ from their G1 cartoon depictions, but that was true for G1 itself...
Some of the naming, such as Master Class and Master Chaos, and obviously individual guys like Grimmaster and Racemaster, is admittedly a little clunky in English, as it was intended for the Japanese market. The product names were determined already, and the Master... was my effort to explain why a whole slew of Transformers might all be called ****Master.
The basic premise is that during a short period of peace on Earth, when most of the fighting occurred offworld, the Autobots were working together with human military organizations to create a combination technology that could be made useful either in times of peace or war. Because most of the more experienced Autobots are away from Earth, they needed to design the system to provide the wearer with considerable power, since the Decepticons gathering on Earth once again might otherwise be a disaster for the remaining Autobot forces. Thus, Prime Mode: a combination form designed to bestow the core with might rivaling that of the Autobots' great leader.
The codename for this group was "Master Class," a gathering of young Autobot professionals in various fields such as recon, defense, construction, etc. who intended to use their skills for the benefit of Earth. Because of the classified nature of the project, each received their own codename, "Masters" with their actual identity not made public. Some joined the team to gain experience, some to prove themselves, and some to make up for past misdeeds. At the same time, a small group of Decepticons lying dormant on Earth got wind of this and formed a counter-group they called "Master Chaos," seeking to seize the drones and take control of Earth in Megatron's absence.
I'll be very excited to see if Japanese fans enjoy the story when the releases begin next month.
-Hydra
How are the names "Combat Master", "Jet Master", "Roller Master", "Chopper Master" etc. Hasbro names?KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:All I can honestly say is that this could not reside within the Japanese G1 continuity. It uses Hasbro-based names,
Hydra has said that the first volume of the story will tell us exactly where it fits in relation to the other parts of the JG1 cartoon continuity.KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:has no way of fitting in any portion of the main Japanese continuity*,
I see no connection to Macrocosmic Seekers in this aside from both being released under the United label. Don't forget that Pretender Gaiden is also a United story, yet it too is set in the JG1 cartoon continuity.KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:and is said to have only one story connected to it (Macrocosmic Seekers).
The first two United manga stories have nothing to do with this.KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Also, The UNITED EX series does connect to the Generations 2011 story, as that was also a UNITED-based storyline. And this is nothing more than Takara Tomy trying to create a UNITED continuity, while Hasbro is creating their own Aligned continuity.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:How are the names "Combat Master", "Jet Master", "Roller Master", "Chopper Master" etc. Hasbro names?
Sabrblade wrote:I see no connection to Macrocosmic Seekers in this aside from both being released under the United label.
Sabrblade wrote:Don't forget that Pretender Gaiden is also a United story, yet it too is set in the JG1 cartoon continuity.
Sabrblade wrote:The first two United manga stories have nothing to do with this.
None of which are used in United EX and will likely not be used in this story.KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:How about this, because you mistook my point: Autobot, Decepticon, Optimus Prime, Rodimus Prime, Jazz, Optimus Primal, etc.
How do you know that any of those characters will be in this story? From what Hydra's said abotu this, it sounds like it'll be focsuing solely on the Master Class and Master Chaos characters on Earth while the characters you're referring to will be off fighting the war in space.KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:However, and no offense to him, but they would also have to explain the name changes when it comes to the main line. And also explain why Rodimus Prime does not look like his original G1 counter-part. These facts say that even if this can be connected to the Japanese G1 continuity, the names alone need to be altered for that timeline.
Your thinking of the United toyline and the United franchise as being the same thing, when one (the toyline) is but an aspect of the other (the franchise). The fiction is another aspect of the franchise.KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Again, not true. The UNITED EX line is considered "wave 7" and continues Takara Tomy's business practice of using the Hasbro names (minus those created for this line, mind you). And the only continuity it has are the events published by e-HOBBY, Generations 2010, and Generations 2011 (volume 2). Beyond that, Takara Tomy has been extremely tight-lip about this line, but has made it be known that it does not share all of the original JG1 continuity.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:None of which are used in United EX and will likely not be used in this story.
Sabrblade wrote:How do you know that any of those characters will be in this story? From what Hydra's said abotu this, it sounds like it'll be focsuing solely on the Master Class and Master Chaos characters on Earth while the characters you're referring to will be off fighting the war in space.
Sabrblade wrote:Your thinking of the United toyline and the United franchise as being the same thing, when one (the toyline) is but an aspect of the other (the franchise). The fiction is another aspect of the franchise.
Sabrblade wrote:This United EX story is not meant to tie in with the first two manga stories, which are a separate continuity. This United EX story that Hydra is talking about is not part of the United manga continuity.
STINGRAY749 wrote:Well not buying any of these because I finally got all the pcc's made available to the U.S.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:KUMA, this story, this story that involves all new characters based on Earth while the existing ones are off in space, is set in the Japanese G1 cartoon continuity. Why? Because it is written to be so. It involves the Cybertrons known as the Master Class fighting against the Destrons known as the Master Chaos. My information comes from Andrew "Hydra" Hall, who has helped work on this story for TakaraTomy itself. He is one of the authors and has made ZERO indication that it will involve any other characters than the Master Class, the Master Chaos, and Professor Chip Chase. His saying that it takes place in the cartoon continuity means that it does not take place in the United manga continuity. Yes, it is a story that advertises United toys, but the characters these specific toys represent exist in the JG1 cartoon continuity. Hydra has even implied that these "Masters" could even be familiar characters given new names and forms for this story, like how Jet Master is someone who was born on Planet Zone. Yuo cannot dictate what continuity this story belongs in because you are not the one who wrote it. Hydra helped write it and he knows what he's doing. Before you jump the gun and start assuming things, please just hold off passing final judgement until the story actually comes out and explains where it is located, as it will do so. You have nothing to fear, as all will be made clear in due time. So let us just please wait and see what happens when the story is released.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Okay, KUMA. Based ONLY on the information given to use here by Hydra, what is it exactly that you believe this story will entail that will make it not fit in the cartoon continuity?
What is it that is written in the quote boxes from the first post and NOWHERE ELSE, that makes this not be fit for the cartoon continuity? Please clarify?
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:STINGRAY749 wrote:Well not buying any of these because I finally got all the pcc's made available to the U.S.
I have to ask - Do you have Grimstone? He was the only one I originally wanted prior to the changes I made to my entire collection. However, I have a friend that might be interested in him, and I want to make sure that he is worth recommending to him.
STINGRAY749 wrote:KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:STINGRAY749 wrote:Well not buying any of these because I finally got all the pcc's made available to the U.S.
I have to ask - Do you have Grimstone? He was the only one I originally wanted prior to the changes I made to my entire collection. However, I have a friend that might be interested in him, and I want to make sure that he is worth recommending to him.
Quality wise he is great. The figure it self is awesome. The limbs stay on and don't fall of by them selves like wave one 5 packs did.
The only downfall is the old 50's robot claw arm, but in hand it's not that bad.
I personally rank Grimstone #1 on my pcc list, with heavytread and Undertow just behind him. Tell your friend to get him for a good price. $20 - $25 shipped is a good price. Anything more is bad unless it's in a lot.
But where in what I was asking about (i.e. - the quotes from Hydra) does it say that Hasbro names will be involved in this?KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:However... These elements have the characters renamed for their Japanese Generation 1 continuity. As in the fact that "Autobot" and "Decepticon" (as a prime example) are Hasbro-based factions that are used for the UNITED continuity would have to be read as "Cybertron" and "Destron" if it is going to fit in the Japanese Generation 1 continuity. Simple as that, as the only other thing needed to be done is to avoid any locations used in Car Robots.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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