Ay yi yi yi yi YI, this thread!
What in blazes is going on here? The Unicron Trilogy in a G1 timeline? That's madness! Utter madness!
william-james88 wrote:And here's the explanation for the Japanese version of the Unicron tilogy taking place in the same G1 continuity:
More or less, the "Unicron Trilogy" timeline as Hasbro calls it happens "thousands of years" after Beast Wars II/Neo's present day scenerio and more or less, Earth got rebooted (It's a long story, more or less by the time Beast Wars happened, Earth was dead and going through a whole new revival). By the time Micron (Armada) rolls around, Earth has reached a culture similar to (SHOCK) the early 2000s.
So Micron No Detsetsu (Armada) takes place not in the early 2000s but millenias later, far enough that earth has had time to die and be reborn with humans reaching their evolutionary stage to that same advancement again. And the notion of the earth going back to a primitive era is what Beast Wars II. We see how Earth was "healing itself". Animals returning, nature....... and the first of cave man all over again.
Bollocks, hogwash, and all kinds of rubbish. That is anything BUT the truth.
Neither Armada/Energon/Cybertron nor their Japanese counterparts of Micron Densetsu/Super Link/Galaxy Force take place in any G1 timeline. Not now, not ever. There is NO TRUTH in any of that statement.
If anything, it sounds more like fanfiction or personal fanon than anything.
william-james88 wrote:I did want to point something out though. The TF wiki is in English and thus, culturally biased upon the western interpretation of Transformers lore. Since the G1 timeline suggested to me is based solely on the Japanese interpretation (hence, the Marvel comics are ignored, the G1 rebirth episodes are ignored), would it not make sense that it would not align itself with the Tf wiki?
No offense but that is a really shortsighted viewpoint of the Wiki and its staff. I'll have you know that there are plenty of its members who are fluent in the Japanese language, culture, and the Japanese Transformers lore tenfold. Not everyone working on it is some English-only Westerner who knows nothing of Japan. These are well-educated, well-informed, well-researched individuals who have dedicated a good portion of their free time to dissecting even some of the most obscure Japanese-only Transformers media, right down to such little things story pages and advertisements from decades-old Japanese magazines from the 1980s. Some of them even currently live in Japan. If anything, TFWiki is one of the least culturally-biased TF sites on the Net, and only adheres to the English names of characters for the sake of making things easier to understand for everyone.
william-james88 wrote:My big question in terms of how these different series coexist im the same timeline was the existence of Primus.
The unicron trilogy has him front amd center but the american g1 cartoon has the Quintissons as the transformers creators. So how does that work. Well, this is what came up as I searched this.
Primus as a character didn't exist at the time when the G1 cartoon was made. He didn't appear until 1988 when writer Simon Furman introduced him in a UK-made Marvel Comics story.
william-james88 wrote:Call of the Primatives was actually a VHS exclusive episode in Japan.
No it wasn't. It aired on TV in Japan like any other ordinary episode.
william-james88 wrote:The Japanese version talks of the "Oracle" being Primus and the Primatives actually going back in time to "early Cybertron" before there was life. The wiki actually covered this well.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Call_of_the_Primitives (Go to the bottom at "JAPANESE")
So Primus exists in the G1 Japan univese and the Quintissons just swooped in after and TOOK OVER, claiming to be the creators.
Oy vey.
The whole "Oracle = Primus" thing did not come about until 2007 when TakaraTomy created a timeline for the Japanese version of G1 and created that retcon via the timeline. The actual episode itself did not mention any time traveling nor did it mention Primus (who, as I said before, did not yet exist as a character at the time).
As you cite TFWiki, allow me to point to other articles from that site that further clarify on the matter:
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Oracle_(G1)In 2006-07, Japan released new timelines that introduced many new ties between series that had only been tangentially connected in the past. As part of this process, the events surrounding the Oracle were expanded and retconned to be notably different from US continuity. This new version of the Oracle's story effectively merges it with Vector Sigma, the Beast Machines Oracle and Primus.
In its original form, the English and Japanese version of "Call of the Primitives" did not imply the use of any time travel. Its inclusion in the new timeline is a retcon designed to prevent the episode from conflicting with the new idea that the Oracle had become Vector Sigma by the time the episode's events occurred.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Primus#Japanese_cartoon_continuityPrimus did not exist in the American Generation 1 cartoon as it was originally written, since it was produced long before the retcon which established him to be a multiversal singularity. Precisely how Primus should then fit into the framework of the cartoon has not been explicitly established, although the Universe comic offered one attempt for its continuity (see "Beast Era", below). Primus was, however, explicitly and thoroughly retconned into being part of the expanded universe of the Japanese cartoon continuity by the Kiss Players fiction of 2007, as part of a complicated process that folded various animated concepts—Primacron's assistant, Vector Sigma and the Oracle—into the Primus myth.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Vector_Sigma#Japanese_cartoon_continuity The nature and origins of Vector Sigma were heavily revised in a major retcon in 2007, when events of the Kiss Players radio drama, along with a timeline published in the Kiss Players/15 Go! Go! Compilation, merged the computer with several other concepts from across Transformers fiction, including Primacron's assistant (also known as the Oracle) and Primus. As a consequence, it is now a very different entity than in the English version of the same episodes—or any other continuity for that matter. Japanese continuity also incorporates the events of the Beast Machines cartoon, which are not strictly part of English cartoon continuity, and as such, are listed under a separate header in this article.
This time travel was inserted by the previously mentioned retcon and is not alluded to at all in the episode itself. It would seem to exist purely to prevent the Oracle's role in the episode from conflicting with everything else the retcon sets out to do.
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