I think HFTD leader Starscream did a hell of a job at it. I think at the time it was as close as possible to get to a real F-22 Raptor, and IIRC he didn't have any kibble to speak of in either mode.albnok wrote:A list on engineering todos, for our favorite toy makers to work on!
1) Truly kibble-free real-life jets
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I know how to have backpackless ladies: Give up on insisting on robot modes that are curvy when the vehicle modes aren't, and don't cop out on what integration is possible.
Gauntlet101010 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I know how to have backpackless ladies: Give up on insisting on robot modes that are curvy when the vehicle modes aren't, and don't cop out on what integration is possible.
Pretty much this, yeah. It's not like none exist. Prime Arcee is a great example.
It might be a stretch, but Animated Arcee also has very good alt. mode integration. She has a bit of a backpack, but only in the way you'd actually want.
She's also controversial, but I like the Legend Slipsteream / Windblade mold. Wing kibble, but I like wing kibble on plane bots.
Nowadays it seems like the designers have given up. Or, at least, that they're obsessed with making Arcee look G1 in both modes.
Well, I think G1 Arcee can pull it off if they really work at it (since her altmode is curvy too), but it'd take better kibble compression and going for the T30 toy's integration level at absolute minimum.Gauntlet101010 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I know how to have backpackless ladies: Give up on insisting on robot modes that are curvy when the vehicle modes aren't, and don't cop out on what integration is possible.
Pretty much this, yeah. It's not like none exist. Prime Arcee is a great example.
It might be a stretch, but Animated Arcee also has very good alt. mode integration. She has a bit of a backpack, but only in the way you'd actually want.
She's also controversial, but I like the Legend Slipsteream / Windblade mold. Wing kibble, but I like wing kibble on plane bots.
Nowadays it seems like the designers have given up. Or, at least, that they're obsessed with making Arcee look G1 in both modes.
Well, people wanted a complete dedicated limb set for Elita, and the rest of her squad, so recycling that mold and engineering was the cheapest way.. It's particularly disappointing for me with Firestar, since it's nothing like her truck mode.Gauntlet101010 wrote:Well, I'm not a big fan of the female limb mode in general. It's a shame they used it to make nearly every female Autobot lately.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Gauntlet101010 wrote:Regarding the OP bringing up clean fighter jet modes, just check the Maverick thread. If they take the steps needed to make sure the jet mode is perfectly clean, then the effect that has on the robot mode aesthetic will have everybody whining WAAAA IT WOOKS WIKE A KNOCKOFF WAAAA
1. Oh, I saw plenty of people bashing the design for things like the thin arms, the hollow bottoms of the forearms (even though cover panels for foldaway hands have always been a luxury and we haven't seen sliding hands in ages; the current design team avoids those just like they avoid telescoping legs), and the knees being invisble when the legs aren't bent (necessary for the engines to look perfect in jet mode).Black Hat wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Gauntlet101010 wrote:Regarding the OP bringing up clean fighter jet modes, just check the Maverick thread. If they take the steps needed to make sure the jet mode is perfectly clean, then the effect that has on the robot mode aesthetic will have everybody whining WAAAA IT WOOKS WIKE A KNOCKOFF WAAAA
To be fair, the plastic on that thing looks nasty. A shame as the actual mold looks cool, but the weirdly see-through beige plastic is pretty KO-y.
I think that's partly fans' fault, since so many people have thrown strawberry wobblers over toys not being complex (especially larger ones) in reviews... Although it's not entirely fans' fault. Sometimes it's trying ludicruously hard for cartoon accuracy. *looks pointedly at MP Lio Convoy*RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:That complex/fiddly does not automatically equal good.
Rodimus Prime wrote:I think HFTD leader Starscream did a hell of a job at it. I think at the time it was as close as possible to get to a real F-22 Raptor, and IIRC he didn't have any kibble to speak of in either mode.albnok wrote:A list on engineering todos, for our favorite toy makers to work on!
1) Truly kibble-free real-life jets
I think in order to achieve perfect modes, it's probably necessary for a figure to be leader class or larger. Maybe not?
Also, I think it's practically impossible to pull off real-life accuracy while maintaining any semblance to character models, which is what Has/Tak seems to be striving for, in all their lines.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Leader-1 achieves it, but Leader-1 is A. a brick and B. Uses a feature that Warden's team avoids like the plague: Telescoping legs.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:And so when someone requires, say, an F-14 Tomcat to be as close to accurate as physically possible, top and bottom... That's going to have an impact on the robot design.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Something HasTak have grasped on occasion but keep forgetting about: Not phoning in the ladies
-Kanrabat- wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Something HasTak have grasped on occasion but keep forgetting about: Not phoning in the ladies
The female form is hard to make out of cars. So it's shellformers central. But bikes are way more easy. TF Prime Arcee and even Energon Arcee are just perfect.
Speaking of fem-bikes, I want the Shiva sisters from FF13. Yuri transformation and all!
Black Hat wrote:Yeah, she does look rather excellent, doesn't she? I still wish we'd get a CHUG Minerva...
1. It is if you say "To hell with them needing to be curvy like human women." Especially when the altmode has no native curves.-Kanrabat- wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Something HasTak have grasped on occasion but keep forgetting about: Not phoning in the ladies
The female form is hard to make out of cars. So it's shellformers central. But bikes are way more easy. TF Prime Arcee and even Energon Arcee are just perfect.
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