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A very fast turn around!?

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X-Transbots MasterX MX-36 Bulwark

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Irony that an imperfect Legacy pretool made it as a 3P figure!
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Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:48 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:Irony that an imperfect Legacy pretool made it as a 3P figure!



Exactly. I didn't think this design had been that well received to warrant a 3P "Masterpiece" iteration? :-?
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Postby -Kanrabat- » Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:28 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Irony that an imperfect Legacy pretool made it as a 3P figure!



Exactly. I didn't think this design had been that well received to warrant a 3P "Masterpiece" iteration? :-?


I guess they told themselves "We already got a 'Grapple/Inferno' mold so why not?"
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Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:36 pm

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:lol:

The 3P's are becoming more and more like HasTak as time goes by...
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Postby -Kanrabat- » Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:35 am

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Speaking of repaints, how about a nearly 500$US "NEMESIS SUPERION"?

https://tfsource.com/3rd-party-figures/ ... zeta-toys/

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Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:45 am

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I look at that, with the uniform colour palette, and I see how Starscream and the Seekers would look as a Gestalt.
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Fans Hobby moves on to MP Energon figures

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Fans Hobby Master Builder MB-18 Energy Commander

This item has a release estimate of October 2022 subject to delays.

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Combined mode: 11.02 inches (28cm)
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Now this, is effective mold reuse!

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Previously Newage Toys released H43 Tyr AKA Cyclonus

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To HasTak, the Cyclonus mold has a lot of redeco potential. To New Age, creative retool potential:

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Cybertronian Depthcharge, anyone?

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H43V Umibozu aka Legends Depthcharge
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Re: Third Party and Knock Off Transformers News

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sun May 15, 2022 11:41 am

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How about a proper TF-Prime Airachnid?

https://tfsource.com/masterpiece-transf ... -apc-toys/
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Re: Third Party and Knock Off Transformers News

Postby triKlops » Mon May 16, 2022 6:58 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:How about a proper TF-Prime Airachnid?

https://tfsource.com/masterpiece-transf ... -apc-toys/



Nice find, Kanra. I have been waiting on this announcement since i first heard.
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Re: Third Party and Knock Off Transformers News

Postby -Kanrabat- » Mon May 16, 2022 7:10 pm

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triKlops wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:How about a proper TF-Prime Airachnid?

https://tfsource.com/masterpiece-transf ... -apc-toys/



Nice find, Kanra. I have been waiting on this announcement since i first heard.


For 60$US I wonder if it's MP scale or normal scale? Hard to tell with only 5.9" to go for.
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Postby triKlops » Tue May 17, 2022 5:18 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:
triKlops wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:How about a proper TF-Prime Airachnid?

https://tfsource.com/masterpiece-transf ... -apc-toys/



Nice find, Kanra. I have been waiting on this announcement since i first heard.


For 60$US I wonder if it's MP scale or normal scale? Hard to tell with only 5.9" to go for.


Valid questions all around. I would assume Prime scaled but until all is revealed, they are all valid guesses.

I am glad i never hunted down the 1Day license leg add ons that came out at TTS one year.
I think Mr.Seibertron himself had a pair for sale at one point.
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Re: Third Party and Knock Off Transformers News

Postby blackeyedprime » Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:54 am

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I forgot to upload pics of these tk max beautys

Even cheap robot companies can skimp on plastic just like hasbro.
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Postby Emerje » Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:09 am

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That looks like a KO of one of those Korean giant robots that can be found for ridiculous prices on Amazon.

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Postby Fires_Of_Inferno » Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:53 pm

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Re: Third Party and Knock Off Transformers News

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:15 pm

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Quite the beauty but I do hope she's transformable no matter the hands she have on.
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Postby blackeyedprime » Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:39 pm

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Whilst Hasbro works on boxes...

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Same height is a good thing. Not familiar with the quality of the toys though as they mainly did War Within video game style figures that I have very little interest in. £160 though just for Leo.
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That "Leo" is meant to go with MP Star Saber?

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Re: Third Party and Knock Off Transformers News

Postby blackeyedprime » Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:03 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:That "Leo" is meant to go with MP Star Saber?

Weird because the different styles may clash.


Sadly not, it's for their own star saber -different styles aside would have been neat if it did. Not even sure what the size of these figures are...scratch that. 10 inches.

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Postby Fires_Of_Inferno » Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:50 am

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Is this news? Either way this is exactly what I want and I'm gonna be getting it.

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Postby triKlops » Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:57 pm

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Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Is this news? Either way this is exactly what I want and I'm gonna be getting it.




Awesome. i saw some pop up on Ali but i haven't bit yet until the price stabilizes a bit. Thanks for sharing the video though!
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Re: Third Party and Knock Off Transformers News

Postby primalxconvoy » Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:44 pm

The following discussion has been moved from a main news thread, in order for that thread to stay in topic.


Emerje wrote:Back in the 00s Hasbro was black listing news sites that also reported on "3P" figures. Since then BBTS only rarely puts 3P figures on their front page and they're rewarded with exclusives that other sites with 3P figures plastered all over the front page like TFSource don't have access to.


Hasbro doesn't seem to be blacklisting those other sites now (if they ever were). TFW2005 regularly reports on such items, if I recall, and it's arguably the most popular/largest TF related site in the western world. It's also enjoyed a close relationship with (now ex) Hasbro staff, such as Aaron Archer, I believe and has always featured official news, usually before Seibertron or exclusively to itself (with no coverage by Seibertron).

Meanwhile they're sending review kits to (such people) so they clearly remain in Hasbro's good graces.


From what I've read, that person was invited to an event, alongside many other YouTubers/"influencers" by mistake/as an oversight. If they have received official promotional materials by Hasbro, then they need to declare this as such in their YouTube videos (it's clearly stated at YouTube). This is something such people have consistently not done and it's the main problem with these types YouTubers; Either they're receiving potentially stolen goods and reviewing them at YouTube for (advertising) profit, or they're receiving officially supplied materials from Hasbro and not declaring their videos as "sponsored content" or similar, which is a breach of YouTube's terms and conditions.

Read it, nothing on there convinces me they're A-OK. Saying "not clearly illegal" means they're not clearly legal either. "They may still be illegal under trademark laws if they confuse consumers" isn't a great argument in their favor either...


Thank you for visiting. I'm sorry you couldn't see/agree with/fully appreciate the facts or opinions presented there. Unfortunately, that is the case with most trademark and related laws, in that they are "innocent until proven guilty". You might personally feel that they're "bad", but legally, they're still legitimate products for sale. They're no more "bad" or "illegal" than the store-branded versions of leading branded goods in similar packaging ( such as Walmart, Kirkland, Target, etc), high-street copies of catwalk designer clothes, generic versions of branded medicines or products by mainstream technology companies that have been sued for IP infringement/theft. Until they're proven "illegal", they are, in fact "legal", whether you like that or not.

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Re: Third Party and Knock Off Transformers News

Postby Emerje » Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:11 pm

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primalxconvoy wrote:
Emerje wrote:Back in the 00s Hasbro was black listing news sites that also reported on "3P" figures. Since then BBTS only rarely puts 3P figures on their front page and they're rewarded with exclusives that other sites with 3P figures plastered all over the front page like TFSource don't have access to.


Hasbro doesn't seem to be blacklisting those other sites now (if they ever were). TFW2005 regularly reports on such items, if I recall, and it's arguably the most popular/largest TF related site in the western world. It's also enjoyed a close relationship with (now ex) Hasbro staff, such as Aaron Archer, I believe and has always featured official news, usually before Seibertron or exclusively to itself (with no coverage by Seibertron).

I can't speak for most sites just the ones I was visiting, I can't speak for TFW's relationship with Hasbro because I don't go there. I don't know if Hasbro ever actually followed through, but they definitely made the threat. At the time I was a regular on TFormers and they reported on the blacklisting at the time, they basically said FU to Hasbro and carried on. At the same time it was a topic of discussion on another non-TF toy site that I had been visiting regularly since '97 (Raving Toy Maniac) which was frequented by a bunch of notable people in the toy and Transformers community (Trent Troop, Greg Sepelak (he's the guy that got me into the habit of signing all my posts), the founders of the Fwoosh, the two behind Spy Monkey Creations, and Jessie from Toy Pizza to name a few), it was a pretty big topic of conversation at the time. Likewise Ryan (Seibertron's owner) has cited this as the reason why we no longer report on 3P and why he stopped doing 3P galleries.

Meanwhile they're sending review kits to (such people) so they clearly remain in Hasbro's good graces.


From what I've read, that person was invited to an event, alongside many other YouTubers/"influencers" by mistake/as an oversight. If they have received official promotional materials by Hasbro, then they need to declare this as such in their YouTube videos (it's clearly stated at YouTube). This is something such people have consistently not done and it's the main problem with these types YouTubers; Either they're receiving potentially stolen goods and reviewing them at YouTube for (advertising) profit, or they're receiving officially supplied materials from Hasbro and not declaring their videos as "sponsored content" or similar, which is a breach of YouTube's terms and conditions.

YouTube regulations aside, did Hasbro say those press events and the Lego Prime sent out to these reviewers were a mistake or is that just a rumor and speculation to explain why Hasbro would do it because I can't imagine Hasbro publicly addressing this.

Read it, nothing on there convinces me they're A-OK. Saying "not clearly illegal" means they're not clearly legal either. "They may still be illegal under trademark laws if they confuse consumers" isn't a great argument in their favor either...


Thank you for visiting. I'm sorry you couldn't see/agree with/fully appreciate the facts or opinions presented there. Unfortunately, that is the case with most trademark and related laws, in that they are "innocent until proven guilty".

Funny how you're willing to say "innocent until proven guilty" to justify 3P, but won't use that same reasoning for early reviewers. If Hasbro doesn't care about PVP and doesn't care about going after 3Ps why are you OK with 3Ps and not OK with PVP? This is why people call you a hypocrite. The only "facts" I saw at your link was that they're only legal because nobody is doing anything about them, one quote even says they may actually be illegal which is one heck of a weird way to defend their existence. The exact same thing can be said about PVP. For the record I don't like either of them, the things I said before about PVP are just me playing devil's advocate.

You might personally feel that they're "bad", but legally, they're still legitimate products for sale. They're no more "bad" or "illegal" than the store-branded versions of leading branded goods in similar packaging ( such as Walmart, Kirkland, Target, etc), high-street copies of catwalk designer clothes, generic versions of branded medicines or products by mainstream technology companies that have been sued for IP infringement/theft. Until they're proven "illegal", they are, in fact "legal", whether you like that or not.

But there is a difference. There are specific laws set by the FDA in the US that allow for generic medications and food and those laws don't allow for the products to look the same as the brand name version and for medication (which includes toothpaste that make medical claims like preventing cavities, which is basically all of them) it has to be identical in its effectiveness. None of that can be applied to a 3P figure.

When new drugs are first made they have drug patents. Most drug patents are protected for 17 years. The patent protects the company that made the drug first. The patent doesn’t allow anyone else to make and sell the drug. When the patent expires, other drug companies can start selling the generic version of the drug. But, first, they must test the drug and the FDA must approve it.

Likewise generic clothes exist because you can't copyright clothes. However you can copyright or trademark specific things about them like the patterns, logos, button designs and there may be additional patents like specific fasteners. In some cases even colors can be trademarked.

Technology is usually covered by patents and there are laws that allow for generic replaceable parts, such as a generic exhaust pipe or alternator for a car or a replaceable CPU or GPU for a PC, but you wouldn't be able to apply that to building and selling your own Ferrari or MacBook.

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Re: Third Party and Knock Off Transformers News

Postby primalxconvoy » Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:01 pm

Emerje wrote: Post removed in your quote to reduce post/thread length


Thank you for your reply and in reading the sources at the site.

I'm sorry you failed to grasp the basic principals and facts presented to you. You've seemingly written nothing that disproves or effectively counters anything I've written before or the links backing them, so providing more citations proving more of the same isn't going to uncloud your judgment. There were more than enough examples presented, but it seems you lack there understanding necessary, as proved by the erroneous examples you gave.

As for hypocritical, that's incorrect too. KOs are "innocent until proven guilty" by virtue of whether they are a counterfeit or not (criminal law) or whether they violated IP (civil law). This needs to be proven by degree of whether the original product(s) had any legally protected aspects that are/were "copied". There are many nuances, which is why laws pertaining to copyright or other similar aspects are so complicated.

With physically stolen products, it's simply a matter of proof of whether the product was removed from one place illegaly or not, whether it was sold and who bought it. Usually, people buying stolen goods are except from prosecution, unless they've knowingly done so and/or the degree in which they've knowingly done so.

Nearly all of the YouTubers that review 3P or KO protects have clearly stated that they are as such, and cite the places they legally purchased said products. PvP et al, to my knowledge, have not done so, even after numerous comments at YouTube, TF discussion boards, social media and emails sent to them have asked them to. Not once have they admitted to their sources, or that the toys are legally/illegally sourced (with proof). That's why even people, like myself and many others (even if we collect 3P or KO TFs) draw the line with the likes of PVP. They're not honest about their sources and flout YouTube regulations either way.

As for someone stating I'm a hypocrite, I don't care. If that person wants to remove posts by users such as myself that call PVP a thief (or allude to their connection with thieves), whilst employing name-calling language themselves, I think that speaks more about them than it does me. Regardless, I couldn't give a monkey's if it was more people too; I stand by my points and will continue to do so.

However, I thank you for your input. If you have any links to back up any of your claims above (regarding copyright law, KOs, etc) I would, after looking at them, be happy to add them to the main KO thread at Allspark. Until then, thank you for your time.
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