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Take a look at G1:

Soundwave
Shockwave
Rumble/Frenzy
Optimus
Omega Supreme
Bumblebee
Ratchet
Devastator
Astrotrain
Megatron
Grimlock

Just in random order- they all look different. Sure, Bumblebee and Ratchet could be said to have the same face type- but Bumblebee was drawn "stout" while Ratchet had a thinner face. Sure Optimus and Soundwave both had mouthplates- but would you mix them up?

Don's faces make everyone look like old men with mustaches. That's not just bad design work- but terrible design work- especially if it's done for a character driven story. If your characters can't even properly emote- to tell an emotional story- you are indeed in a heap of trouble.

Irve Gotti wrote:
You're certainly entitled to YOUR opinion on YOUR site. The critics against your prior title choice were simply noting the overgeneralized feel of your site's headline (Good journalism is supposed to be impartial just as Good editorials are supposed to convey a well thought out opinion) which to them came off as more of an attack/ rant rather than constructive critique.

oh my golly. What would you prefer, impartialism (facade) or honesty?
seriously, who would you benefit more from, the guy who says "I constructively and impartialy think your art is intriguing" then walks out the back door and says, "that fool will never cut it in the biz"...

or

the guy who says "Dude, this stuff is pretty bad, you need to step up your game if you wanna reach your potential."

I hate that 'constructive critique' twaddle. It's code for "now I'll feed you a load of bull crap, that will mean absolutely zip to you, and leave no lasting effects on how you are progressing.
Seibertron is neither a university professor or a journolist so steeped in his own thesaurus, he doesn't give a crap about the subject so long as he has the chance to show off his 'creative writing skills'
BTW, I'm not attacking you personaly with that last bit.

Irv Gotti wrote:The Same Faces? Does this imply that G1 didn't have them? The G1 faces were Largely the exact face but with different helmets, save for a very scant few. Where Don's faces go wrong here is that there are no distinguishing features between one face or another, again just like G1, save the helmets.

I definitely agree with the similarity issue. G1 character faces are mostly alike. The root of the issue of my criticism of Don's curent approach to Transformers faces is that there is limited emotive quality. Any time characters bare their teeth, be it in a grin, grimace, or simply an open mouth, these expressions seem extremely similar due to the way the faces are designed as mechanical plates/parts. If it wasn't for the word balloons, I wouldn't know the demeanor of the characters.

Irv Gotti wrote:Don should take a cue from the IDW TF Continuum cover and the TF movis and use the facial plating to make each face very unique to it's respective 'bot, something the TF movies do very well.

I think this would be a great approach. I'm a fan of the live action movie aesthetics, including how the Transformers characters have unique facial designs. I do think that they're too visually busy to be fully appreciated on film but I think it works well for the comic book format.

However, seeing how much the current "teching up" the G1 designs can make them unappealing to some fans...going even further towards the live action movie aesthetic, especially for the faces, in a comic that is basically set in G1 would cause even more negative reaction.

I don't mean to interrupt the solid discussion in this thread(I think it's solid considering the potential this topic has in a Transformers fan community for disintegration of intelligent discussion) but I couldn't help but think of this picture when I look at how Don draws faces...

Man, feels like I'm late to the party here...
Story-wise, I'm very excited about these comics. I still haven't read the first issue, but fully intend to. The idea of Ironhide's death prompting Optimus Prime to re-evaluate just about everything about their war and the Autobot cause may not be terribly original, but it's a good direction to take the story in, put the characters in a situation they're not used to and see how they cope... I like it!
The art style, however, is another thing entirely. We got a taste of the art in AHM 13 and I wasn't sure what to make of it... Now we're getting an ongoing series featuring these lifeless metal monstrosities that Don's designed up. I won't deny that some of them look cool, especially that Omega Supreme, there... but some of them fall very flat, and it's amplified by those faces. It's really sad that a story with such emotional impact for the characters is being drawn by someone who's giving the characters no emotion whatsoever.

- Sam

Everybody is overlooking one thing. Don obviously wanted this book to be discussed by the transformers community and possibly get new readers to start reading the stories. Despite what others think of the art, the story is pretty good and I am compelled to read the next issues.

I grew up on G1, so that's my favourite facet of the Transformers franchise and it always will be. I've hated the Bay movies and I probably always will. I've hated Animated and I probably always will. The reason that I know I hate them though, is because I gave them a chance. I watched them and because of that, I know I don't like them for any given reason. But hey, that's just me. Anyone else likes that stuff, more power to you. But, I also enjoyed Carrobo when it first came out. I think some of the transformation schemes for some of the new toys over the past few years are really cool even if I don't like the supporting media. I also think Beast Machines was a superbly written series with beautifully engaging character development. So when I say that I do not like Don's new artwork on the ongoing IDW series, please... do not point a finger and scream 'Geewunner' at me.

I've always been a bit leery anytime someone announces their 'bold new direction' with an already established part of the franchise. G1 has always been, for me, over and finished. The original G1 cartoon is over and finished with a beginning and end. The original G1 Marvel comics are over and finished with a beginning and end. Any time someone (Dreamwave, IDW, whoever) has gone out of their way to redo the entire G1 story from scratch and take it in a new direction, it's always left a bittersweet taste in my mouth. I do love those characters and their mythos, so why wouldn't I want to see more of it? The difference is whether or not proper respect is paid to the original and how much crap I'm willing to put up with in order to see the new comic stay on the shelves. Little easter eggs and half-assed homages are not enough for me. On top of that, I'm tired of seeing how many times that goddamned ship is going to crash into a volcano.

I gave Dreamwave a chance and I began to like it for a while, but that's all over and done with. IDW came to the rescue and all of a sudden it's just another reboot of the same characters, the same ideas, but I began to like that too. I gave it a chance and thought as long as they stick with the formula, it should be all good in the hood. Then All Hail Megatron came.

I know a lot of people liked AHM. I'm not saying it's a bad story. The artwork is pretty amazing usually. But it really flew in the face of pre-established plot points and that pissed me off. Coda didn't do much to tie up loose ends or suture glaring problems between writers and Continuum was really insulting to anyone who gave AHM a chance (and was willing enough to look over all the potholes it left in the road).

The fact that the Transformers in IDW's G1 keep changing their forms and modes is probably the most annoying thing about the comic. Don's take on the current ongoing series and all of its supporters doesn't hold up against other established comic franchises. Even when you had so many different artists on the previous G1 comic books, the individual appearance of the characters were essentially the same and recognizable because of the fact that the character models were used and a concerted effort was made to make the enormous cast of characters just that. With IDW, the characters change forms and appearances every few issues depending on the artist (or Hasbro's suggestion maybe) and the result is obnoxious, creating confusing plot holes where there NEEDN'T BE ANY. Don's current take is just one step further by recreating the ENTIRE TRANSFORMERS LOOK and thereby making all of the previous stuff borderline apocrypha. On top of that, I think the explanation we've been given for the alt-mode inconsistencies is that these are 'Transformers' and they like to change their form and appearance whenever they feel like it is bull-puckey; aggravating and irritatingly unbelievable.

Artistic interpretation is fine. I don't think anyone is saying that Don's artwork is BAD in and of itself. It's pretty damn good artwork if you ask me! But it's not something that fits G1. In fact, it flies in the face of it. I know many fans are complaining about the Transformers' faces in the new book, but I still feel that the overall gist of the new designs feels a lot like shellformers, with the interior robot and armor plates that are mounted on the outside of their limbs and bodies, something that I equated a bit with the Bayformers designs from the beginning (although of a much less intricate nature). I keep hearing IDW tell us that Don's new designs are not influenced by the look of the movie designs, but when half of the fandom keeps referring to it as such, then what is that telling us about the final product whether or not that was the initial intent? Sorry, everyone... but these look like Bayformers mixed with some G1 elements to me. I'm not the only one from the sound of things.

Artistic interpretation and authorial intent will always change the face of a comic book run depending on who is working on it, and that's a good thing. It's always necessary to stir the pot a bit, to shake things up just a tad and make them more interesting, otherwise we'd get bored as readers! However the changes made between the IDW's G1 comics are glaringly different and they don't support the theme of the original idea. AHM should have been a different reality or alternate take on Simon's G1 comic. The current ongoing series has even less to do with what IDW started with. And before anyone brings up the fact that even Batman or Spider-Man changes their costumes every once in a while, please remember that it's just one character making a conscious decision (based on artistic interpretation or authorial intent). You're gonna tell me that the entire race of G1 Transformers woke up one day and decided to look like Bayformers?

If Don's sick of drawing blocky G1 Transformers, then he shouldn't be drawing G1. I don't like what he's doing with it and I'm sick of being force-fed G1 stuff that doesn't jibe with G1. Make a new comic with these ideas and designs or just stop dicking around with G1 altogether.

hinomars19 wrote:

Irve Gotti wrote:
You're certainly entitled to YOUR opinion on YOUR site. The critics against your prior title choice were simply noting the overgeneralized feel of your site's headline (Good journalism is supposed to be impartial just as Good editorials are supposed to convey a well thought out opinion) which to them came off as more of an attack/ rant rather than constructive critique.

oh my golly. What would you prefer, impartialism (facade) or honesty?
seriously, who would you benefit more from, the guy who says "I constructively and impartialy think your art is intriguing" then walks out the back door and says, "that fool will never cut it in the biz"...

or

the guy who says "Dude, this stuff is pretty bad, you need to step up your game if you wanna reach your potential."

I hate that 'constructive critique' twaddle. It's code for "now I'll feed you a load of bull crap, that will mean absolutely zip to you, and leave no lasting effects on how you are progressing.
Seibertron is neither a university professor or a journolist so steeped in his own thesaurus, he doesn't give a crap about the subject so long as he has the chance to show off his 'creative writing skills'
BTW, I'm not attacking you personaly with that last bit.

No offense taken.

But, it does seem that you misunderstand what constructive critique ACTUALLY means. Quoting your comparison statement, constructive critique would sound very much like above. "Dude, this stuff is pretty bad, you need to step up your game if you wanna reach your potential." But then it would be followed by WHY it's bad and what possible changes, if any, can be made. THAT'S constructive critique vs simply saying "This sucks."

Judging by your post, you're also very late in the game. Seibertron's original title for this thread/ article was "Bad Art!" THAT is easily taken as a rant. (It's the reason why he's posted a few times to defend his opinion) His new title, "All the faces look the same" is constructive critique because he makes it VERY clear WHY he doesn't like Don's new take on the TFs, and as I stated before, the faces looking alike IS what's mainly wrong with the character designs (Bumblebee's look suffers the most from this) aside from other details.

And again, Seibertron is Well entitled to his own opinion, especially on his own site.

Convotron wrote:

Irv Gotti wrote:The Same Faces? Does this imply that G1 didn't have them? The G1 faces were Largely the exact face but with different helmets, save for a very scant few. Where Don's faces go wrong here is that there are no distinguishing features between one face or another, again just like G1, save the helmets.

I definitely agree with the similarity issue. G1 character faces are mostly alike. The root of the issue of my criticism of Don's curent approach to Transformers faces is that there is limited emotive quality. Any time characters bare their teeth, be it in a grin, grimace, or simply an open mouth, these expressions seem extremely similar due to the way the faces are designed as mechanical plates/parts. If it wasn't for the word balloons, I wouldn't know the demeanor of the characters.

Irv Gotti wrote:Don should take a cue from the IDW TF Continuum cover and the TF movis and use the facial plating to make each face very unique to it's respective 'bot, something the TF movies do very well.

I think this would be a great approach. I'm a fan of the live action movie aesthetics, including how the Transformers characters have unique facial designs. I do think that they're too visually busy to be fully appreciated on film but I think it works well for the comic book format.

However, seeing how much the current "teching up" the G1 designs can make them unappealing to some fans...going even further towards the live action movie aesthetic, especially for the faces, in a comic that is basically set in G1 would cause even more negative reaction.

I don't mean to interrupt the solid discussion in this thread(I think it's solid considering the potential this topic has in a Transformers fan community for disintegration of intelligent discussion) but I couldn't help but think of this picture when I look at how Don draws faces...

GOD, I want that image as my sig.

Irv Gotti wrote:GOD, I want that image as my sig.

Ask and yee shall receive. Highly appropriate for this thread.

Carcass wrote:I grew up on G1, so that's my favourite facet of the Transformers franchise and it always will be. I've hated the Bay movies and I probably always will. I've hated Animated and I probably always will. The reason that I know I hate them though, is because I gave them a chance. I watched them and because of that, I know I don't like them for any given reason. But hey, that's just me. Anyone else likes that stuff, more power to you. But, I also enjoyed Carrobo when it first came out. I think some of the transformation schemes for some of the new toys over the past few years are really cool even if I don't like the supporting media. I also think Beast Machines was a superbly written series with beautifully engaging character development. So when I say that I do not like Don's new artwork on the ongoing IDW series, please... do not point a finger and scream 'Geewunner' at me.

I've always been a bit leery anytime someone announces their 'bold new direction' with an already established part of the franchise. G1 has always been, for me, over and finished. The original G1 cartoon is over and finished with a beginning and end. The original G1 Marvel comics are over and finished with a beginning and end. Any time someone (Dreamwave, IDW, whoever) has gone out of their way to redo the entire G1 story from scratch and take it in a new direction, it's always left a bittersweet taste in my mouth. I do love those characters and their mythos, so why wouldn't I want to see more of it? The difference is whether or not proper respect is paid to the original and how much crap I'm willing to put up with in order to see the new comic stay on the shelves. Little easter eggs and half-assed homages are not enough for me. On top of that, I'm tired of seeing how many times that goddamned ship is going to crash into a volcano.

I gave Dreamwave a chance and I began to like it for a while, but that's all over and done with. IDW came to the rescue and all of a sudden it's just another reboot of the same characters, the same ideas, but I began to like that too. I gave it a chance and thought as long as they stick with the formula, it should be all good in the hood. Then All Hail Megatron came.

I know a lot of people liked AHM. I'm not saying it's a bad story. The artwork is pretty amazing usually. But it really flew in the face of pre-established plot points and that pissed me off. Coda didn't do much to tie up loose ends or suture glaring problems between writers and Continuum was really insulting to anyone who gave AHM a chance (and was willing enough to look over all the potholes it left in the road).

The fact that the Transformers in IDW's G1 keep changing their forms and modes is probably the most annoying thing about the comic. Don's take on the current ongoing series and all of its supporters doesn't hold up against other established comic franchises. Even when you had so many different artists on the previous G1 comic books, the individual appearance of the characters were essentially the same and recognizable because of the fact that the character models were used and a concerted effort was made to make the enormous cast of characters just that. With IDW, the characters change forms and appearances every few issues depending on the artist (or Hasbro's suggestion maybe) and the result is obnoxious, creating confusing plot holes where there NEEDN'T BE ANY. Don's current take is just one step further by recreating the ENTIRE TRANSFORMERS LOOK and thereby making all of the previous stuff borderline apocrypha. On top of that, I think the explanation we've been given for the alt-mode inconsistencies is that these are 'Transformers' and they like to change their form and appearance whenever they feel like it is bull-puckey; aggravating and irritatingly unbelievable.

Artistic interpretation is fine. I don't think anyone is saying that Don's artwork is BAD in and of itself. It's pretty damn good artwork if you ask me! But it's not something that fits G1. In fact, it flies in the face of it. I know many fans are complaining about the Transformers' faces in the new book, but I still feel that the overall gist of the new designs feels a lot like shellformers, with the interior robot and armor plates that are mounted on the outside of their limbs and bodies, something that I equated a bit with the Bayformers designs from the beginning (although of a much less intricate nature). I keep hearing IDW tell us that Don's new designs are not influenced by the look of the movie designs, but when half of the fandom keeps referring to it as such, then what is that telling us about the final product whether or not that was the initial intent? Sorry, everyone... but these look like Bayformers mixed with some G1 elements to me. I'm not the only one from the sound of things.

Artistic interpretation and authorial intent will always change the face of a comic book run depending on who is working on it, and that's a good thing. It's always necessary to stir the pot a bit, to shake things up just a tad and make them more interesting, otherwise we'd get bored as readers! However the changes made between the IDW's G1 comics are glaringly different and they don't support the theme of the original idea. AHM should have been a different reality or alternate take on Simon's G1 comic. The current ongoing series has even less to do with what IDW started with. And before anyone brings up the fact that even Batman or Spider-Man changes their costumes every once in a while, please remember that it's just one character making a conscious decision (based on artistic interpretation or authorial intent). You're gonna tell me that the entire race of G1 Transformers woke up one day and decided to look like Bayformers?

If Don's sick of drawing blocky G1 Transformers, then he shouldn't be drawing G1. I don't like what he's doing with it and I'm sick of being force-fed G1 stuff that doesn't jibe with G1. Make a new comic with these ideas and designs or just stop dicking around with G1 altogether.

Well stated, I agree with you 100%

As still art goes Don's new style is far better than the head designer of Transformers: Animated's artowrk (it worked in moving animation but as a still art YUCK) but that is my OPINION and is not a fact and let repeat that NOT A FACT!

After 25 years and the vast difference between the designs of G1, the live action movies and Transformers: Animated and the fact that most comic book artists now of days tend to stay on a title for a minimum of 6 issues to a maximum of 25 issues give it time and sooner or later Don will leave the book and another artist will come on board and people will then say how they miss Don and hate the new person. This song and dance is getting old and I quite frankly if you don't like the artwork don't buy it!

I'd have to say that for the most part I completely agree with Seibertron. I definitely won't be buying this series because 1. I don't really like the designs. (I do agree with those who have said they wished that this was what the movie designs had been.) 2. I don't like the writing and characters. I don't believe that the G1 characters would say the things that these characters do or act in the way that these characters do. I'm not saying this story shouldn't be told or presented in the way it is, I'm just saying it shouldn't be explained to be a "G1" story, because like the Movieverse, it is similar, but it is not G1.
Say what you will about Dreamwave and the failure that is Pat Lee. But in my opinion, they came closer to G1 as it should be portrayed in present day comics than any one else has. And IDW's take on G1 has only made me miss them more.

I'm still a little hesitant on the face look they just still look funky to me...but the jetfire design looks very promising I'm very curious about the vehicle mode cause just from the robot it looks sick armor and all.

This pretty much solidifies my idea of not continuing to follow this series. They forgot where they were going with the plot a long time ago, and now the art has caught up. For shame IDW, I thought you'd do better than your predecessors.

Irv Gotti wrote:

hinomars19 wrote:

Irve Gotti wrote:
You're certainly entitled to YOUR opinion on YOUR site. The critics against your prior title choice were simply noting the overgeneralized feel of your site's headline (Good journalism is supposed to be impartial just as Good editorials are supposed to convey a well thought out opinion) which to them came off as more of an attack/ rant rather than constructive critique.

oh my golly. What would you prefer, impartialism (facade) or honesty?
seriously, who would you benefit more from, the guy who says "I constructively and impartialy think your art is intriguing" then walks out the back door and says, "that fool will never cut it in the biz"...

or

the guy who says "Dude, this stuff is pretty bad, you need to step up your game if you wanna reach your potential."

I hate that 'constructive critique' twaddle. It's code for "now I'll feed you a load of bull crap, that will mean absolutely zip to you, and leave no lasting effects on how you are progressing.
Seibertron is neither a university professor or a journolist so steeped in his own thesaurus, he doesn't give a crap about the subject so long as he has the chance to show off his 'creative writing skills'
BTW, I'm not attacking you personaly with that last bit.

No offense taken.

But, it does seem that you misunderstand what constructive critique ACTUALLY means. Quoting your comparison statement, constructive critique would sound very much like above. "Dude, this stuff is pretty bad, you need to step up your game if you wanna reach your potential." But then it would be followed by WHY it's bad and what possible changes, if any, can be made. THAT'S constructive critique vs simply saying "This sucks."

Judging by your post, you're also very late in the game. Seibertron's original title for this thread/ article was "Bad Art!" THAT is easily taken as a rant. (It's the reason why he's posted a few times to defend his opinion) His new title, "All the faces look the same" is constructive critique because he makes it VERY clear WHY he doesn't like Don's new take on the TFs, and as I stated before, the faces looking alike IS what's mainly wrong with the character designs (Bumblebee's look suffers the most from this) aside from other details.

And again, Seibertron is Well entitled to his own opinion, especially on his own site.

nope, definetly not late in the game.
read every single post on this thread, made my own comments on why I think sebertron doesn't need to defend himself over his original title, (and sneered at those who thought he should have changed the article title for the first issue), feel free to have a read, it's not too much away from your post in question. I also read all the posts and posted on another thread on the same subject.
I'm afraid, in parts my friend, I simply don't agree with you.
Even read the andy schmidt interview.
I just can't take people who say what they don't mean. In a conversation or full write-up, sure, elaborate-which is what you have demonstrated in reply to me (nicely done). What I was trying to demonstrate is when in this kind of situation, people are being 'impartial' it's because they simply want to hide there less than favourable true opinion. Once you start building on a statement, it becomes less about what your trying to say, like this post probably has.

Aeros wrote:I know I'm going to come off as a huge dick for this but to the person who put the News topic "BAD ARTWORK" on the main page, Do you have any kind of degree in any form of art? You can't call it bad art just because It's different. I'm not a fan of this style myself for this continuity especially when we're so used to the new age G1 style we've seen in previous IDW works

I remember when the movie designs came out everyone was like "What in the name of Primus is that ****" But i think Most ppl are a bit more accepting of that "art" of the movieverse and accept it for what it is.

Different art, yes. Will it take some time(Maybe A LOT)to get accustomed to, Sure. But "Bad Artwork" it is not.

I do like the artwork, but the faces are the same, in the movie they gave them feelings, but now it's just the same face for everyone, no diference.

Let me be the first to say, who the f*&$ cares about their damn faces??!! Does it matter? Prime never had a mouth to show emotion. neither did shockwave or countless other bots. do i really need to see them smiling like idiots or grimacing when they take an energon dump? it's a comic, not a toon, so we are only really seeing one photograph for an entire scene, so we shouldn't expect a few range of emotion for one image of an entire scene. it looks fine to me -- i've no complaints nor any big compliments. their bodies look fine and i've never been one to fous on faces. i read an enire comic in 5m, so i see the images and read the text -- i don't sit there focusing on faces. everyone is never happy, but to whine about robot faces is ridiculous. we should be happy to have any tf comics at all. if you want to see really crappy art, check out 30 Days of Night, illustrated by Ben Templesmith, and be glad he's not doing tf!

WolfFang wrote:Let me be the first to say, who the f*&$ cares about their damn faces??!! Does it matter? Prime never had a mouth to show emotion. neither did shockwave or countless other bots. do i really need to see them smiling like idiots or grimacing when they take an energon dump? it's a comic, not a toon, so we are only really seeing one photograph for an entire scene, so we shouldn't expect a few range of emotion for one image of an entire scene. it looks fine to me -- i've no complaints nor any big compliments. their bodies look fine and i've never been one to fous on faces. i read an enire comic in 5m, so i see the images and read the text -- i don't sit there focusing on faces. everyone is never happy, but to whine about robot faces is ridiculous. we should be happy to have any tf comics at all. if you want to see really crappy art, check out 30 Days of Night, illustrated by Ben Templesmith, and be glad he's not doing tf!

And that's your opinion, to which you are entitled. However that is not my opinion. I almost get the sense that you are not as passionate about Transformers as I am. Or perhaps you haven't been collecting as long through all 25 years, or perhaps you like Transformers but they are ultimately just another robot series to you. Not sure ... but the line "to whine about robot faces" sounds like you just look at Transformers as being another line of robots, which they're not because they're sentient.

I am very passionate about their faces. To me, it's what sets them apart from other "mech" or "robot" series. It is probably the most important part about the Transformers characters.

I could, from memory, sit here and draw their basic features from the original cartoon and comic series and tell you specifically what was different between most of their faces ... what made each of their faces unique (with the exception of the repaints).

I'm also not a fan of the bodies. I'm tired of their bodies continuing to change with no reason or explanation. It's sloppy. But that's not the battle I want to take on. I'd rather discuss their faces and what I feel is wrong with that because I think that's a battle I can win and one with which I feel most people who don't like this art style can agree with me on. Some battles are worth fighting, some are not.

Transformers do not just have "robot" faces. They have a unique aesthetic, one which I have appreciated for the past 25 years. I do not like Robotech, Power Rangers, Voltron, GoBots, or any other "competitor" line to the Transformers. I just like Transformers because they are far more than just transforming robots to me. Therefore, something like their faces getting this generic makeover that makes them all look like evil (or emotionless) robotic monsters to me isn't good. Not to mention that this makeover on certain characters such as Bumblebee quite simple takes away the charm that he has had over the past 25 years (minus the movie take on the character, which achieves a different charm through other methods).

WolfFang wrote:Let me be the first to say,

You're also the first to post something in the thread that contributes absolutely nothing to the discussion.

WolfFang wrote:who the f*&$ cares about their damn faces??!! Does it matter?

It's obvious by the participants of this thread that some people care and that it matters to those who post in this thread.

WolfFang wrote:Prime never had a mouth to show emotion. neither did shockwave or countless other bots. do i really need to see them smiling like idiots or grimacing when they take an energon dump?

To be frank, it seems like you're simply responding to the thread without reading a significant portion of the posts involving criticism of Don Figueroa's current art style. Obviously, characters with significant portions of their faces don't apply to this criticism.

WolfFang wrote:it's a comic, not a toon, so we are only really seeing one photograph for an entire scene, so we shouldn't expect a few range of emotion for one image of an entire scene.

No one is expecting a range of emotion for a single image. People are expecting to see a range of emotion throughout the comic beyond what Don's artwork has shown so far.

WolfFang wrote:it looks fine to me -- i've no complaints nor any big compliments. their bodies look fine and i've never been one to fous on faces. i read an enire comic in 5m, so i see the images and read the text -- i don't sit there focusing on faces.

You get 5 minutes out of a comic and don't focus on faces. By any chance are you a Rob Liefeld fan?

WolfFang wrote:everyone is never happy, but to whine about robot faces is ridiculous.

That's your opinion. My opinion is that whining about the ridiculousness of alleged whining about robot faces is far more ridiculous.

WolfFang wrote:we should be happy to have any tf comics at all.

I'm as grateful as any other Transformers fan for the existence of Transformers comics but I choose not to possess low expectations and accept anything and everything that is Transformers, comics or otherwise.

WolfFang wrote:if you want to see really crappy art, check out 30 Days of Night, illustrated by Ben Templesmith, and be glad he's not doing tf!

Thanks for your thoughts on the artwork on 30 Days of Night. I don't know what else to say about this non sequitur.

Convotron wrote:

WolfFang wrote:Let me be the first to say,

You're also the first to post something in the thread that contributes absolutely nothing to the discussion.

WolfFang wrote:who the f*&$ cares about their damn faces??!! Does it matter?

It's obvious by the participants of this thread that some people care and that it matters to those who post in this thread.

WolfFang wrote:Prime never had a mouth to show emotion. neither did shockwave or countless other bots. do i really need to see them smiling like idiots or grimacing when they take an energon dump?

To be frank, it seems like you're simply responding to the thread without reading a significant portion of the posts involving criticism of Don Figueroa's current art style. Obviously, characters with significant portions of their faces don't apply to this criticism.

WolfFang wrote:it's a comic, not a toon, so we are only really seeing one photograph for an entire scene, so we shouldn't expect a few range of emotion for one image of an entire scene.

No one is expecting a range of emotion for a single image. People are expecting to see a range of emotion throughout the comic beyond what Don's artwork has shown so far.

WolfFang wrote:it looks fine to me -- i've no complaints nor any big compliments. their bodies look fine and i've never been one to fous on faces. i read an enire comic in 5m, so i see the images and read the text -- i don't sit there focusing on faces.

You get 5 minutes out of a comic and don't focus on faces. By any chance are you a Rob Liefeld fan?

WolfFang wrote:everyone is never happy, but to whine about robot faces is ridiculous.

That's your opinion. My opinion is that whining about the ridiculousness of alleged whining about robot faces is far more ridiculous.

WolfFang wrote:we should be happy to have any tf comics at all.

I'm as grateful as any other Transformers fan for the existence of Transformers comics but I choose not to possess low expectations and accept anything and everything that is Transformers, comics or otherwise.

WolfFang wrote:if you want to see really crappy art, check out 30 Days of Night, illustrated by Ben Templesmith, and be glad he's not doing tf!

Thanks for your thoughts on the artwork on 30 Days of Night. I don't know what else to say about this non sequitur.

Well said, your commentary really made me laugh. I have nothing really bad to say about the artwork. I will admit it is different and I certainly wouldn't have expected it to be Don Figueroa's artwork because it is so different from his previous style, but the style is starting to grow on me and I can see where Andy Schmidt was going when he discussed the artwork in the interview posted on this site a few news stories back. Anyway, the book, has an interesting story and I want to continue reading it because it is fun to read comics and to collect them, and I'm going to just continue on not letting the artwork bother me and continue having fun reading the comics. I just thought I would speak my peace...please don't hate me.

I'm late to the game, and I'm not going to read through everything (it's too much), but I'll just like to express my own opinions. The "Bad Artwork" headline didn't bother me at all. Sure, it sounds excessive thinking back, but when I first saw it I just found it hilarious. Nothing wrong with expressing one's own opinion. And I was thrilled to see the "Everyone's got the same face" headline. I didn't even notice it was for the same article. I was so glad I wasn't the same person who was absolutely appalled by the face. Yes, it's so bad I felt the need to run around the place screaming about it. I love Don's past work, and I enjoy seeing redesigns. But this face is really bad. It's like Minnie Mouse having the same face as Mickey, just with eyelashes. Or anime characters, just swap in different hairstyles. It works for other things, it just doesn't cut it for me here. And has anyone else noticed that everyone's got the same posture too? It's really weird.

Seibertron wrote:I'm also not a fan of the bodies. I'm tired of their bodies continuing to change with no reason or explanation. It's sloppy. But that's not the battle I want to take on.

I love redesigns because they keep the characters fresh. But they become pointless if they only stick around for a few issues. The way IDW is going about it, it seems more like personal exercises in redesigning for the artists.

Omega Supreme looks great. I think the white parts should be a gunmetal color though.

I think that chick Spike is with may be a Decepticon pretender, perhaps a nod to ROTF. Maybe she'll teach him a lesson.

Be nice.

I loved the pre-AHM series, the -Ation series. It wasn't Marvel 2.0. It was the Great War taken to the extreme. Two mighty empires, with Earth as one battleground. Important with Ore-13, but not the most important. Seeing the fresh take on some of the characters was great, too. Hunter and Verity, with no Witwicky in sight.

Then... AHM. The body redesign-why in the hell would the seekers go to F-15's when they were F-22's? Do we have a wallbanger icon here? I'm sorta new, you see. Anyway... no. Basically taking everything that had come before and tossing it aside, with some hamfisted retcons later on.

Hunter's death was... bull. He was set up with Sunstreaker to be a great hero, becoming more than he was. It's like Anakin Solo from Star Wars. Now we've got another G1 series... complete with Witwicky's and... yeah. Distrustful humans.

I hate the designs, too. G1 and Movie should not mix. And I'm a big fan of the movie designs, too! This? No, a thousand times no.

AHm might've worked if it was in the Hearts of STeel vein, but basically taking over like this is quite insulting. Sorry, IDW, but you're not getting any more money out of me for your ongoing.