The Energon Pub

Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:33 am

Really dig the art. Nice to see something different.

News Credits: 15 · Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:30 am

I read it last night. I agree about the art, it looks amazing but I find myself scanning some panels trying to figure out what is going on and with who. It annoyed me slightly and I considered not renewing my subscription but then I saw super Megs in the last panel and I want to know more.

News Credits: 1082 · Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:13 am

NemesisMonkeySupreme wrote:Livio really needs to stick to just covers. I think the lack of visual storytelling that his art just doesn't provide is making what could be a really good story just something we're all waiting to conclude so we can get to Roberts & Roche.

The comparison to Bill Sienkiewicz is spot on in my opinion. I loved Bill Sienkiewicz' covers on my books (Daredevil, Batman, etc.) back in the day, but I was never a fan of his panel work (Elektra: Assassin, Arkham Asylum, Stray Toasters, etc.) even when the stories were his as well (such as in Stray Toasters).

CHAOS Part 2: NUMBERS would probably be amongst [Michael Bay's] all time favorites.
All things aside, I don't think the book really needs that much of a damning qualifier…

I actually really enjoyed Bill S.'s interiors on the Spirit Bear issues of New Mutants.

News Credits: 2 · Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:22 pm

tigertracks 24 wrote:I actually really enjoyed Bill S.'s interiors on the Spirit Bear issues of New Mutants.

I was never into Marvel's mutants. Was that full-painted or pencils and inks? If the latter, did he do both? On the painted pages, they are always beautiful (even if disturbing) but can often make the story flow kind of crazy…

That's where I make the comparison to Livio's art: it's great to look at but tends to hinder the storytelling. The difference being Bill's is often hyper-kinetic so your eye is everywhere at once, whereas Livio's is so static that you sometimes aren't sure what occurred between two panels and his palette and perspective sometimes make it almost impossible to discern characters.

News Credits: 1082 · Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:43 pm

NemesisMonkeySupreme wrote:
tigertracks 24 wrote:I actually really enjoyed Bill S.'s interiors on the Spirit Bear issues of New Mutants.

I was never into Marvel's mutants. Was that full-painted or pencils and inks? If the latter, did he do both? On the painted pages, they are always beautiful (even if disturbing) but can often make the story flow kind of crazy…

That's where I make the comparison to Livio's art: it's great to look at but tends to hinder the storytelling. The difference being Bill's is often hyper-kinetic so your eye is everywhere at once, whereas Livio's is so static that you sometimes aren't sure what occurred between two panels and his palette and perspective sometimes make it almost impossible to discern characters.

I'm pretty sure it's painted. And I love Bill's work almost as much as Art Adams, who is probably my all time favorite.

News Credits: 7 · Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:13 am

It's not just the art, the whole issue is a pile of slag. The last two technobots sacrificing themself mean that we can forget Computron for good, together with the autobot pretenders who stayed at Kimia (Kimin?)

News Credits: 1082 · Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:50 am

Chaoslock wrote:It's not just the art, the whole issue is a pile of slag. The last two technobots sacrificing themself mean that we can forget Computron for good, together with the autobot pretenders who stayed at Kimia (Kimin?)

Well, it had been implied from Issue #24 that Afterburner (I think that was who it was) was amongst those over run by Sweeps in the initial siege, so for me without some miracle, which happens, just ask Optimus, Ironhide, Bumblebee, Megatron, Thundercracker...

So for me, nothing is ever final in comics. In fact, when the issue #125 or whatever hits, and we get two new series, I fully expect some resets of characters to happen, and some of those we thought lost will end up just fine somehow.

News Credits: 1082 · Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:50 am

Chaoslock wrote:It's not just the art, the whole issue is a pile of slag. The last two technobots sacrificing themself mean that we can forget Computron for good, together with the autobot pretenders who stayed at Kimia (Kimin?)

Well, it had been implied from Issue #24 that Afterburner (I think that was who it was) was amongst those over run by Sweeps in the initial siege, so for me without some miracle, which happens, just ask Optimus, Ironhide, Bumblebee, Megatron, Thundercracker...

So for me, nothing is ever final in comics. In fact, when the issue #125 or whatever hits, and we get two new series, I fully expect some resets of characters to happen, and some of those we thought lost will end up just fine somehow.