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iguanabytes wrote:

leviebaby wrote:here who see
skyfire
hotrod they need the speed
warpath
tracks
prowl
inferno
jazz
mirage

Would not mind HotRod or Tracks, but I don't think HotRod, because of his Rodimus prime connection

That being said, I would LOVE a transformers prime HotRod- I would buy the hell out of that toy

iguanabytes wrote:

iguanabytes wrote:

leviebaby wrote:here who see
skyfire
hotrod they need the speed
warpath
tracks
prowl
inferno
jazz
mirage

Would not mind HotRod or Tracks, but I don't think HotRod, because of his Rodimus prime connection

That being said, I would LOVE a transformers prime HotRod- I would buy the hell out of that toy

We already have a Hot Rod. His name is Hot Shot, and he's a Bumblebee repaint.

There is no Hot Rod in the Aligned Continuity. It is Hot Shot that becomes Rodimus in this continuity. Besides, they no longer have the rights to the name "Hot Rod," nor would it work because Hot Shot is Rodimus on Cybertron anyway.

The toy further confuses things.

Jason.Zellman666 wrote:"New Recruit" could refer to a new Decepticon- they have been loosing alot lately...

Well, the description says new Autobot. We haven't seen hide or hair of a turncoat since ROTF (correct me if I'm wrong), so this would most likely be wrong.

Red Energon sounds interesting. Perhaps an Aligned take on the rare Super Energon from the Energon line?

Mindmaster wrote:

Jason.Zellman666 wrote:Red Energon sounds interesting. Perhaps an Aligned take on the rare Super Energon from the Energon line?

In the upcoming episode "Out of the Past," Arcee & Her Friend uncover a feat of Decepticon engineering intending to destroy the Autobots. Red Energon could be just that.

Hardly anything that could mean hope for the Autobots.

PrimeStriker wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:

Jason.Zellman666 wrote:Red Energon sounds interesting. Perhaps an Aligned take on the rare Super Energon from the Energon line?

In the upcoming episode "Out of the Past," Arcee & Her Friend uncover a feat of Decepticon engineering intending to destroy the Autobots. Red Energon could be just that.

Hardly anything that could mean hope for the Autobots.

Right, I've forgotten about that episode. I think I'll stick to my theory of the second Super Energon until then.

My money is on Prowl.
Jazz would also be awesome, but they have so far built up the ranks by adding bots and cons that bring something new to the personality quotient.
For the Cons.
Airachnid brought the creepy crazy.
Dreadwing, loyalty and honor.
Both were aspects that were missing or in very short supply in the Decepticon dynamic.

For the Autobots Wheeljack brought the loner who didn't automatically worship Prime, a major change.
Now there are several "new" personality traits that could be brought in but one of the more obvious ones is a bot who's devoted to protocol and logic. Optimus has his principles that he sticks to and Ratchet is a bit stiff socially but the hallmark of team prime is their ability to improvise and adapt to the situation at hand.
Enter Mr. Rules and Regs himself, Prowl. Stiff and law abiding. The confrontations with Miko alone would bring a new dynamic to the show. He would probably set off all the characters in one way or another bringing more depth and body to the cast as a whole.

Foxbear wrote:My money is on Prowl.
Jazz would also be awesome, but they have so far built up the ranks by adding bots and cons that bring something new to the personality quotient.
For the Cons.
Airachnid brought the creepy crazy.
Dreadwing, loyalty and honor.
Both were aspects that were missing or in very short supply in the Decepticon dynamic.

For the Autobots Wheeljack brought the loner who didn't automatically worship Prime, a major change.
Now there are several "new" personality traits that could be brought in but one of the more obvious ones is a bot who's devoted to protocol and logic. Optimus has his principles that he sticks to and Ratchet is a bit stiff socially but the hallmark of team prime is their ability to improvise and adapt to the situation at hand.
Enter Mr. Rules and Regs himself, Prowl. Stiff and law abiding. The confrontations with Miko alone would bring a new dynamic to the show. He would probably set off all the characters in one way or another bringing more depth and body to the cast as a whole.

I can see a Prime Prowl in the works. They can probably pull it off using the model of Prowl Jagex is using for Transformers: Universe.

My guess is that it is going to be Jetfire.

Because he has yet to obtain a figure in the Prime lineup (such as Hot Shot, Sergeant Kup, Ultra Magnus, and Ironhide did), he has ties to Starscream, is a scientist (which would benefit Ratchet), and could help introduce the Aerialbots into this continuity.

That, and it would be a bit of a cliche for them to add yet another Autobot that transforms into a ground vehicle... Especially with the Decepticons having a combination of ground-based and air-based characters.

PrimeStriker wrote:There is no Hot Rod in the Aligned Continuity.

I want to correct you right there - There is no "Hot Rod" in the continuity, but there can be a Rodimus. And with there being more than a single Aligned continuity, they could introduce him as a character that is part of the survivng Wreckers team!

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:My guess is that it is going to be Jetfire.

Because he has yet to obtain a figure in the Prime lineup (such as Hot Shot, Sergeant Kup, Ultra Magnus, and Ironhide did), he has ties to Starscream, is a scientist (which would benefit Ratchet), and could help introduce the Aerialbots into this continuity.

That, and it would be a bit of a cliche for them to add yet another Autobot that transforms into a ground vehicle... Especially with the Decepticons having a combination of ground-based and air-based characters.

PrimeStriker wrote:There is no Hot Rod in the Aligned Continuity.

I want to correct you right there - There is no "Hot Rod" in the continuity, but there can be a Rodimus. And with there being more than a single Aligned continuity, they could introduce him as a character that is part of the survivng Wreckers team!

I didn't say Rodimus couldn't be in Prime. However, my point is that he is not going to be Hot Rod nor Hot Shot, as it would not make any chronological sense.

And the Aligned Continuity covers ALL of the games, novels, and shows involved. There is only one Aligned Continuity, that covers Exouds, WFC, FOC, Exiles, Prime, and Rescue Bots in chronological order. Prime isn't an Aligned Continuity, it is an apparatus of the Aligned Continuity.

well, if we are going for align continuity, and including those works...


How about Silverbolt? he's a flyer, and is prominently featured

REALLY enjoying the lively discussion, BTW

well they have reused skyquake's and cliff's modals as dreadwing and tailgate. hey guys what if it is tailgate and he wasn't really killed by archined (i am making fun of her name on purpose so dont correct me)who is to say it cant be hotshot or brawn we did get a toy of him in Asia using bulkheads mold.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:well they have reused skyquake's and cliff's modals as dreadwing and tailgate. hey guys what if it is tailgate and he wasn't really killed by archined (i am making fun of her name on purpose so dont correct me)who is to say it cant be hotshot or brawn we did get a toy of him in Asia using bulkheads mold.

Hate to burst your bubble there, but according to Hasbro, that version of Brawn is supposed to be G1. In the words of Animated Slipstream, "Don't ask."

I don't get the reference of Airachnid's misspelling.

Mindmaster wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:well they have reused skyquake's and cliff's modals as dreadwing and tailgate. hey guys what if it is tailgate and he wasn't really killed by archined (i am making fun of her name on purpose so dont correct me)who is to say it cant be hotshot or brawn we did get a toy of him in Asia using bulkheads mold.

Hate to burst your bubble there, but according to Hasbro, that version of Brawn is supposed to be G1. In the words of Animated Slipstream, "Don't ask."

I don't get the reference of Airachnid's misspelling.

i know he is g1 but who knows i am just making calculations (puts on shockwave costume and cuts out one eye)

i hate her thats why i misspelled her name she does not deserve it after what she did to tailgate.

iguanabytes wrote:Dreadwing is far more interesting as an honorable bad guy than he would be as a good guy. and then there's the name.

it's like having a paramedic show up whose nametag reads "fleshripper babymaimer"- are you really gonna let him help you?

Like letting someone named Inferno help deal with putting out fires?

If they're with the good guys, yeah.

iguanabytes wrote:well, if we are going for align continuity, and including those works...


How about Silverbolt? he's a flyer, and is prominently featured

REALLY enjoying the lively discussion, BTW

Yes, there are many Aerialbots (Jetfire, Air Raid, and Silverbolt seem to be the only named ones though. Unless the Air Raid Shockwave repaint at SDCC was a failed name on the card, Fireflight would be a named one as well). I was just giving a couple examples for Autobot flyers.

It would really seal the deal if all 3 of them appeared.

PrimeStriker wrote:I didn't say Rodimus couldn't be in Prime. However, my point is that he is not going to be Hot Rod nor Hot Shot, as it would not make any chronological sense.

Actually, you said "There is no Hot Rod in the Aligned Continuity." without explaining what you mean by that. And with Hot Rod being Hasbro's original G1 version of Rodimus, he does have a chance of fitting in the series... But only as a Wrecker.

As for Hot Shot, Hasbro did make it clear that he does fit in the PRIME portion of the continuity, as it is their series and continuity. However, as I also said, I think that he would be a poor choice on the grounds that having another warrior-type ground vehicle would be a mistake. Granted, who he is fits the Japanese version of the series. Just not this version.

And besides, I think if they made it be Jetfire, it would end up being a smart move on their behalf simply because he has so many attributes that could add more to the Autobot side (and maybe give me a second character to like as well).

PrimeStriker wrote:And the Aligned Continuity covers ALL of the games, novels, and shows involved. There is only one Aligned Continuity, that covers Exouds, WFC, FOC, Exiles, Prime, and Rescue Bots in chronological order. Prime isn't an Aligned Continuity, it is an apparatus of the Aligned Continuity.

Okay... Prime? Let me stop you right there. You are telling this to a guy who has been a fan of the franchise since the 1980s. So while I pretty much have the entire Takara Tomy G1 continuity and its offspring memorized, it helps me understand how this works. So all I will say is that you misused a word to describe PRIME, as the definition of that word describes the "Arms Microns" line in Japan.

Plus, with both Hasbro and Takara Tomy having a similar history on how they handled Generation 1, it is easy to say that PRIME is the core continuity... And that Exodus would be best tied to the Generations toyline, Cybertron be treated as a game-based continuity, and Resuce Bots be the series that was based in 1984 (according to Hasbro's Aligned timeline, as stated in TFwiki).

Oh... And also, I follow Takara Tomy's stuff. So pretty much for me, when it comes to the Aligned continuity, it is solely just PRIME, Arms Microns, and Cybertron Satellite.

Not gonna read through the whole thread, but Red Energon could be like a Primeverse version of the Hate Plague.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:

PrimeStriker wrote:I didn't say Rodimus couldn't be in Prime. However, my point is that he is not going to be Hot Rod nor Hot Shot, as it would not make any chronological sense.

Actually, you said "There is no Hot Rod in the Aligned Continuity." without explaining what you mean by that. And with Hot Rod being Hasbro's original G1 version of Rodimus, he does have a chance of fitting in the series... But only as a Wrecker.

Okay, there could not be a character in Prime named "Hot Rod" because of:
A) They no longer have the rights to that name
B) Hot Rod is not the name of any character in the Aligned Continuity, 'nor is it possible because of Hot Shot's standing in the continuity.

Clear enough?

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Okay... Prime? Let me stop you right there. You are telling this to a guy who has been a fan of the franchise since the 1980s. So while I pretty much have the entire Takara Tomy G1 continuity and its offspring memorized, it helps me understand how this works. So all I will say is that you misused a word to describe PRIME, as the definition of that word describes the "Arms Microns" line in Japan.

Prime is a part of the Aligned Continuity family. Yep, I used the wrong word, but my point still remains: The Aligned Continuity is it's own continuity family, as Generation One, Animated, The Unicron Trilogy, the Live Action Series, etc. all have their own continuities. You cannot say that Exodus, WFC, FOC and Exiles occurred, then four billion years later they woke up in the Ark and met a couple of humans named Spike & Sparkplug Witwicky. They aren't part of the same continuity family.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Plus, with both Hasbro and Takara Tomy having a similar history on how they handled Generation 1, it is easy to say that PRIME is the core continuity... And that Exodus would be best tied to the Generations toyline, Cybertron be treated as a game-based continuity, and Resuce Bots be the series that was based in 1984 (according to Hasbro's Aligned timeline, as stated in TFwiki).

Oh... And also, I follow Takara Tomy's stuff. So pretty much for me, when it comes to the Aligned continuity, it is solely just PRIME, Arms Microns, and Cybertron Satellite.

Okay, well, as far as Hasbro's concerned, Hot Shot couldn't be in the Prime cartoon. I do not care if he's in the toyline, because the toyline and cartoon can and guaranteed will have a different prospective from one another.

And also, I, like many others, follow Hasbro's Aligned Continuity Family, which seems to be the largest. We could not have a Hot Rod character in the U.S or in Prime. Rodimus Prime is the succession of Hot Rod. I also know about the G1 continuity, and please don't try to think that you have some superiority because you've been a fan since the 1980s. It puts a lot of fans who haven't down.

Okay, looks like I DO have to read through this thread, as I seems I've missed out on an interesting conversation.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Actually, you said "There is no Hot Rod in the Aligned Continuity." without explaining what you mean by that. And with Hot Rod being Hasbro's original G1 version of Rodimus, he does have a chance of fitting in the series... But only as a Wrecker.

What PrimeStriker is saying is that, in this continuity, Rodimus = Hot Shot, not Hot Rod.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:As for Hot Shot, Hasbro did make it clear that he does fit in the PRIME portion of the continuity, as it is their series and continuity. However, as I also said, I think that he would be a poor choice on the grounds that having another warrior-type ground vehicle would be a mistake. Granted, who he is fits the Japanese version of the series. Just not this version.

Um... what about him makes him fit into Japanese TF: Prime but not American TF: Prime?

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Plus, with both Hasbro and Takara Tomy having a similar history on how they handled Generation 1, it is easy to say that PRIME is the core continuity... And that Exodus would be best tied to the Generations toyline, Cybertron be treated as a game-based continuity, and Resuce Bots be the series that was based in 1984 (according to Hasbro's Aligned timeline, as stated in TFwiki).

On Prime, it is not G1. It is a separate continuity (the Aligned Continuity)

On Exodus, it is tied to both War for Cybertron (as it tells the same basic story) and the Prime cartoon (as episode 26 flashed back to it).

On the video games, they are the ancient history era of the Prime cartoon's universe.

On Rescue Bots, it takes place in the same present day as Prime. As the very person who added all the Rescue Bots info into the Aligned Timeline TFWiki page, I can say that any Rescue Bots info on the page that takes place prior to the present was added in from either flashbacks or plot exposition of past events from the present day characters.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Oh... And also, I follow Takara Tomy's stuff. So pretty much for me, when it comes to the Aligned continuity, it is solely just PRIME, Arms Microns, and Cybertron Satellite.

Well, then that's not our problem. The Aligned Continuity is HASBRO'S baby, not TakaraTomy's. TakaraTomy has contributed minimal bits to the Aligned continuity compared to Hasbro. Between the two of them, it's Hasbro who has the higher say when it comes to the Aligned Continuity since they the ones who created and are developing it.

My bets are:

- Ironhide
- Prowl
- Jazz
- Ultra Magnus
- Jetfire (incoming dogfight with Starscream FTW)
- Elita-1

Or maybe it will be an original/obscure Autobot.

I have a feeling the "old friend of Arcee" mentioned in the hint for the upcoming episode " Put of the Past" is the new Autobot we're speculating (and continuity-arguing about).

red energon? will that make all the TFs act very aggressive(just kidding)
as far as the new character lets wait and see what we have

PrimeStriker wrote:Okay, there could not be a character in Prime named "Hot Rod" because of:
A) They no longer have the rights to that name
B) Hot Rod is not the name of any character in the Aligned Continuity, 'nor is it possible because of Hot Shot's standing in the continuity.

Clear enough?

Okay... Snipping the rest for space.

A) Hasbro never had the rights to the name. The main reason why they dropped it is because they could not copyright the name. However, there was no talks about them calling him (or any other character) "Autobot Hot Rod"... As the addition of "Autobot" and "Decepticon" to a name is how they copyright names that they cannot own.

B) Not true. Besides the addition of "Autobot" to the name, Hasbro has the right to give the name to a minor character that would never be marketed. Plus, they can use it as a joke or a question towards Hot Shot, as a reference to both the fact he looked like Rodimus in the DS "War for Cybertron - Autobot" game and was named "Rodimus" in the "Bumblebee at Tyger Pax" story.

As for the rest...

A) Hot Shot's profile: "Hot Shot is an Autobot serving under Optimus Prime in the Great War. Young and impetuous, he's always waiting with enthusiasm and confidence for his next mission (so long as he isn't paired with Kup again). Perhaps he's got something to prove, but any leadership qualities he might possess have yet to show themselves. He also shares a special relationship with the Autobot sharpshooter, Arcee."

B) You are not Hasbro, so please do not talk on their behalf. Because in truth, if he is part of the main Transformers: Prime line, it means that he will either be a guest character, a background character, or even a passing reference. Plus, also, Hasbro tried to claim that Zeta Prime's name is actually Sentinel Zeta Prime at BotCon 2010, when it comes to the continuity errors between the book and game.

C) And finally... Here is an observation: You chose to talk down to somebody you do not know. As in try to sound superior. Yet, you tell me not to do that because it is not okay. Do you know the definition tied to such an act? Because I took it as the character, not the name. And I even gave you a chance to say "I meant the name, not the character" at that point of time.

So yeah... Try to not tell me what to do or how to be when you cannot do that yourself. Because while I do rant a lot about facts and such, I also do not talk down to others like you have to me. And besides, I am trying to see you as a fellow Transformers fan. But with that attitude... I cannot until you... "CALM DOWN AND AUTOBOT ON"!

Besides... The main reason why he is not going to be part of "Team Prime" is because he profile has him sound more like a "Team Magnus" character, Prime. So while I assume he may debut in the Arcee related episode, I am sure we will not see more of him until either the end of season 2 or the start of season 3.

Sabrblade wrote:

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Actually, you said "There is no Hot Rod in the Aligned Continuity." without explaining what you mean by that. And with Hot Rod being Hasbro's original G1 version of Rodimus, he does have a chance of fitting in the series... But only as a Wrecker.

What PrimeStriker is saying is that, in this continuity, Rodimus = Hot Shot, not Hot Rod.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:As for Hot Shot, Hasbro did make it clear that he does fit in the PRIME portion of the continuity, as it is their series and continuity. However, as I also said, I think that he would be a poor choice on the grounds that having another warrior-type ground vehicle would be a mistake. Granted, who he is fits the Japanese version of the series. Just not this version.

Um... what about him makes him fit into Japanese TF: Prime but not American TF: Prime?

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Plus, with both Hasbro and Takara Tomy having a similar history on how they handled Generation 1, it is easy to say that PRIME is the core continuity... And that Exodus would be best tied to the Generations toyline, Cybertron be treated as a game-based continuity, and Resuce Bots be the series that was based in 1984 (according to Hasbro's Aligned timeline, as stated in TFwiki).

On Prime, it is not G1. It is a separate continuity (the Aligned Continuity)

On Exodus, it is tied to both War for Cybertron (as it tells the same basic story) and the Prime cartoon (as episode 26 flashed back to it).

On the video games, they are the ancient history era of the Prime cartoon's universe.

On Rescue Bots, it takes place in the same present day as Prime. As the very person who added all the Rescue Bots info into the Aligned Timeline TFWiki page, I can say that any Rescue Bots info on the page that takes place prior to the present was added in from either flashbacks or plot exposition of past events from the present day characters.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Oh... And also, I follow Takara Tomy's stuff. So pretty much for me, when it comes to the Aligned continuity, it is solely just PRIME, Arms Microns, and Cybertron Satellite.

Well, then that's not our problem. The Aligned Continuity is HASBRO'S baby, not TakaraTomy's. TakaraTomy has contributed minimal bits to the Aligned continuity compared to Hasbro. Between the two of them, it's Hasbro who has the higher say when it comes to the Aligned Continuity since they the ones who created and are developing it.

Giving boss information as usual, Sabrblade. You said it better than I.

Ultra Markus wrote:red energon? will that make all the TFs act very aggressive(just kidding)
as far as the new character lets wait and see what we have

It would be so nice, so wonderful, so boss, so much homage, if they made Red Energon the Hate Plague of the Aligned Continuity family.

I like how they're being shady on the fate of Bulkhead with all of this. I really hope he dies, just to get the emotion of a main Autobot dying.........that's not Optimus Prime.