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The deal that Megatron did with Unicron was a bad one on Megs' part but the deal with Starscream was very good. He resurrected him for the dead and gave him his own body back then promise him that he would be decepticon leader once more. He can get back his crown and robe to be Emperor screamer again only if he helps Unicron regain his body. Now wasn't that unfair?

babylon queen wrote:The deal that Megatron did with Unicron was a bad one on Megs' part but the deal with Starscream was very good. He resurrected him for the dead and gave him his own body back then promise him that he would be decepticon leader once more. He can get back his crown and robe to be Emperor screamer again only if he helps Unicron regain his body. Now wasn't that unfair?

I think the 2 deals reflect the situations Unicron was in. When he met Megs he was big and powerful and Megs was on the verge of death, it was easy to get him to agree to Unicrons terms (as he said himself "your bargaining posture is highly dubious"). But when he met Starscream he was just a floating head with almost no power left, where as Screamer could posess other TFs and use them to do his work, so Unicron was the one at a disadvantage in that deal.

Exactly, dude. Exactly.

babylon queen wrote:The deal that Megatron did with Unicron was a bad one on Megs' part but the deal with Starscream was very good. He resurrected him for the dead and gave him his own body back then promise him that he would be decepticon leader once more. He can get back his crown and robe to be Emperor screamer again only if he helps Unicron regain his body. Now wasn't that unfair?

Unicron never promised to make Starscream leader again. The deal was just for a new body.

Just because Unicron was all-seeing and believed he was all-powerful, he definitely wasn't all-knowing. I could have told him at the start that a deal with Starscream would never work out for his benefit, but he didn't really have any other choice to attempt in getting himself a new body.

Unicron could also have been lying. Once Starscream did what Unicron needed, Unicron would have given Starscream a new body, but would have control over him like he did over Galvatron. Something Unicron conveniently did not mention.

Exactly. Once Unicron has his body again, he's still going to want the Matrix destroyed. He needs a herald for that task. Like Galvatron, he's going to use Starscream.

Sportimus Prime wrote:Unicron could also have been lying. Once Starscream did what Unicron needed, Unicron would have given Starscream a new body, but would have control over him like he did over Galvatron. Something Unicron conveniently did not mention.

I imagine it would have gone something like this:


Unicron:" I have a new body. I will consume the Universe..as I will consume the minds of my slaves. I will have many heralds who will announce my coming, and who will do my will. You will be a herald, Starscream... I will own your body, and I will own your mind. You will bow to me.. and I will be your Master."
Starscream:"What!?! This was not the agreement! You do not own me!! I am my own master! I will be leader of the Decepticons! I will not be your broken slave like Galvatron! YOU WILL NOT OWN ME!!
Unicron:"SILENCE!!! What I have given you...Starscream, I can take away. You are a mere insect to me... I have wandered the Universe long before your existance, Starscream. I know of things your small mind cannot even comprehend... You are nothing to me."
Starscream:"NOOOO!!!!" *sobbing*
Unicron:"You will become my herald, my minion. You are my slave.. and your spirit is trapped within your new body. Your body is mine, as is your soul..."

I hope I got the characters done right

I just had a thought about what happened to Starscream after he was chased away by Galvatron at the end of that episode...what if the Decepticons captured Starscream, took him back to Charr, and he's shackled and chained somewhere, constantly being tortured by Galvatron?

And Starscream would probably go mad like Galvatron, too.

Hairball178 wrote:I just had a thought about what happened to Starscream after he was chased away by Galvatron at the end of that episode...what if the Decepticons captured Starscream, took him back to Charr, and he's shackled and chained somewhere, constantly being tortured by Galvatron?

Galvatron was crazy/mad enough to do this!!

Zombie Starscream wrote:

Sportimus Prime wrote:Unicron could also have been lying. Once Starscream did what Unicron needed, Unicron would have given Starscream a new body, but would have control over him like he did over Galvatron. Something Unicron conveniently did not mention.

I imagine it would have gone something like this:


Unicron:" I have a new body. I will consume the Universe..as I will consume the minds of my slaves. I will have many heralds who will announce my coming, and who will do my will. You will be a herald, Starscream... I will own your body, and I will own your mind. You will bow to me.. and I will be your Master."
Starscream:"What!?! This was not the agreement! You do not own me!! I am my own master! I will be leader of the Decepticons! I will not be your broken slave like Galvatron! YOU WILL NOT OWN ME!!
Unicron:"SILENCE!!! What I have given you...Starscream, I can take away. You are a mere insect to me... I have wandered the Universe long before your existance, Starscream. I know of things your small mind cannot even comprehend... You are nothing to me."
Starscream:"NOOOO!!!!" *sobbing*
Unicron:"You will become my herald, my minion. You are my slave.. and your spirit is trapped within your new body. Your body is mine, as is your soul..."

I hope I got the characters done right

Gave me chills just reading it!

Hairball178 wrote:I just had a thought about what happened to Starscream after he was chased away by Galvatron at the end of that episode...what if the Decepticons captured Starscream, took him back to Charr, and he's shackled and chained somewhere, constantly being tortured by Galvatron?

I always wondered if he died again after the episode, since his spark is in BW.

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Hairball178 wrote:I just had a thought about what happened to Starscream after he was chased away by Galvatron at the end of that episode...what if the Decepticons captured Starscream, took him back to Charr, and he's shackled and chained somewhere, constantly being tortured by Galvatron?

I always wondered if he died again after the episode, since his spark is in BW.

It could be that he simply ran out of fuel while floating through space.

It was stated in the planning for Season 4 of the Transformers that Shockwave, Starscream, and Blitzwing were going to return in an attempt to take control of the Decepticons away from Galvatron.

Beast Wars screwed up continuity from day 1 with what G1 was doing. Therefore, it only makes sense that the episode with Starscream's spark was wrong, but fit into the timeline they were using.

Starscream was alive the last time we saw him, hense, it is only reasonable to assume he was sly enough to escape Galvatron and live to return another day.

Uncrazzimatic wrote:

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Hairball178 wrote:I just had a thought about what happened to Starscream after he was chased away by Galvatron at the end of that episode...what if the Decepticons captured Starscream, took him back to Charr, and he's shackled and chained somewhere, constantly being tortured by Galvatron?

I always wondered if he died again after the episode, since his spark is in BW.

It could be that he simply ran out of fuel while floating through space.

I had not thought of that.
In the BW episode where he takes over Waspinator, is it explained how his spark goes back in time?

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Uncrazzimatic wrote:

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Hairball178 wrote:I just had a thought about what happened to Starscream after he was chased away by Galvatron at the end of that episode...what if the Decepticons captured Starscream, took him back to Charr, and he's shackled and chained somewhere, constantly being tortured by Galvatron?

I always wondered if he died again after the episode, since his spark is in BW.

It could be that he simply ran out of fuel while floating through space.

I had not thought of that.
In the BW episode where he takes over Waspinator, is it explained how his spark goes back in time?

Same way the rest of the cast went back in time, it drifted through the wormhole.

Unicron: "Behold Starscream, your new body as I promised. Now go forth and do my biding, destroy the matrix!"

Starscream: "As you command O mighty Unicron"

Unicron: (turns around)

Starscream: (shoots Unicron in the back0

Unicron: "You dare to challenge the power of Unicron!? Prepare for termination!"

Starscream: "Please forgive me all powerfull Unicron! I was foolish in my judgement, it will never happen....ARRRRGGGGG!!!!

[Starscream is atomized....yet again]

Uncrazzimatic wrote:

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Uncrazzimatic wrote:

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Hairball178 wrote:I just had a thought about what happened to Starscream after he was chased away by Galvatron at the end of that episode...what if the Decepticons captured Starscream, took him back to Charr, and he's shackled and chained somewhere, constantly being tortured by Galvatron?

I always wondered if he died again after the episode, since his spark is in BW.

It could be that he simply ran out of fuel while floating through space.

I had not thought of that.
In the BW episode where he takes over Waspinator, is it explained how his spark goes back in time?

Same way the rest of the cast went back in time, it drifted through the wormhole.

Hmm, you'd think they would have noticed a strange energy reading, or something?

Starscreams bad comedy wrote:Unicron: "Behold Starscream, your new body as I promised. Now go forth and do my biding, destroy the matrix!"

Starscream: "As you command O mighty Unicron"

Unicron: (turns around)

Starscream: (shoots Unicron in the back0

Unicron: "You dare to challenge the power of Unicron!? Prepare for termination!"

Starscream: "Please forgive me all powerfull Unicron! I was foolish in my judgement, it will never happen....ARRRRGGGGG!!!!

[Starscream is atomized....yet again]

You forgot the part where he declares himself new leader of the Unicronian cult after shooting him in the back & before checking that he was really dead

Uncrazzimatic wrote:

Starscreams bad comedy wrote:Unicron: "Behold Starscream, your new body as I promised. Now go forth and do my biding, destroy the matrix!"

Starscream: "As you command O mighty Unicron"

Unicron: (turns around)

Starscream: (shoots Unicron in the back0

Unicron: "You dare to challenge the power of Unicron!? Prepare for termination!"

Starscream: "Please forgive me all powerfull Unicron! I was foolish in my judgement, it will never happen....ARRRRGGGGG!!!!

[Starscream is atomized....yet again]

You forgot the part where he declares himself new leader of the Unicronian cult after shooting him in the back & before checking that he was really dead

And the part where he's begging for his life would go more like: "Oh pleasepleaseplease don't kill me Unicron! I have a wife and three kids I don't want to die you can't blame me for my behavior when I'm off my medication I'll do anything just please please please spare me!!!"

JazZeke wrote:

Uncrazzimatic wrote:

Starscreams bad comedy wrote:Unicron: "Behold Starscream, your new body as I promised. Now go forth and do my biding, destroy the matrix!"

Starscream: "As you command O mighty Unicron"

Unicron: (turns around)

Starscream: (shoots Unicron in the back0

Unicron: "You dare to challenge the power of Unicron!? Prepare for termination!"

Starscream: "Please forgive me all powerfull Unicron! I was foolish in my judgement, it will never happen....ARRRRGGGGG!!!!

[Starscream is atomized....yet again]

You forgot the part where he declares himself new leader of the Unicronian cult after shooting him in the back & before checking that he was really dead

And the part where he's begging for his life would go more like: "Oh pleasepleaseplease don't kill me Unicron! I have a wife and three kids I don't want to die you can't blame me for my behavior when I'm off my medication I'll do anything just please please please spare me!!!"

Zombie Starscream wrote:

Sportimus Prime wrote:Unicron could also have been lying. Once Starscream did what Unicron needed, Unicron would have given Starscream a new body, but would have control over him like he did over Galvatron. Something Unicron conveniently did not mention.

I imagine it would have gone something like this:


Unicron:" I have a new body. I will consume the Universe..as I will consume the minds of my slaves. I will have many heralds who will announce my coming, and who will do my will. You will be a herald, Starscream... I will own your body, and I will own your mind. You will bow to me.. and I will be your Master."
Starscream:"What!?! This was not the agreement! You do not own me!! I am my own master! I will be leader of the Decepticons! I will not be your broken slave like Galvatron! YOU WILL NOT OWN ME!!
Unicron:"SILENCE!!! What I have given you...Starscream, I can take away. You are a mere insect to me... I have wandered the Universe long before your existance, Starscream. I know of things your small mind cannot even comprehend... You are nothing to me."
Starscream:"NOOOO!!!!" *sobbing*
Unicron:"You will become my herald, my minion. You are my slave.. and your spirit is trapped within your new body. Your body is mine, as is your soul..."

I hope I got the characters done right

And that would be a fate far worse than death for Starscream.

[quote="bookofjunon"]It was stated in the planning for Season 4 of the Transformers that Shockwave, Starscream, and Blitzwing were going to return in an attempt to take control of the Decepticons away from Galvatron.[quote]

Was that also where the rumored "Ironhide's Ghost" came from? I've always wanted to read what could have been for season 4.

Hairball178 wrote:

bookofjunon wrote:It was stated in the planning for Season 4 of the Transformers that Shockwave, Starscream, and Blitzwing were going to return in an attempt to take control of the Decepticons away from Galvatron.

Was that also where the rumored "Ironhide's Ghost" came from? I've always wanted to read what could have been for season 4.

Ironhide's Ghost? Never herd of that one.