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News Credits: 10 · by **Agamemnon** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:57 pm

Rated X wrote:I think what T is trying to say is certain figures are the same size from different lines. I was contemplating buying MP Bumblebee as my new classics Bumblebee because they are basically the same size. I decided to save money and stick with my Artfeather Bumblebee but I was close to pulling the trigger. I get what T is saying. Technically in terms of height and mass, he is right. MP is more of a designation than a "class". Sure they all scale off of MP-10 now, but it didnt start out that way. MP-01 thru MP-09 had no rhyme or reason to their heights. Just because takara finally figured out that scale does matter, doesnt make the term MP any less of a designation. MP basically means cartoon accuracy at at bigger size. But it just so happens that a mini bot in "MP" scale is the same height and mass as a standard deluxe class figure. The "MP" autobot cars just happen to be the same height and mass as your average voyager class figure. And the "MP" Soundwave just so happen to be the same height and mass as a barbie doll (cough cough) I mean standard ultra class figure. So anyways I totally get what T is saying.

Oh, I think we all get what Tsut is trying to say. But it is, even as you say, a matter of size, not scale. Class would even be more accurate than to use scale. Or even size as Dead Metal pointed out; sometimes a voyager like animated Bulkhead is deluxe sized (roughly the same height) even as the bulk clearly makes the figure a voyager.

News Credits: 33 · by **Genocide G2.0** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:05 pm

DBash by Psychoshi .

by **Ginrai Minor** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:44 pm

Yes I will shoehorn this into classics! now someone bring on Trypticon.

News Credits: 4 · by **Tsutsukakushi** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:00 pm

Autobot Genocide wrote:DBash by Psychoshi .

Thanks for the beautiful digibash colored pic.

News Credits: 4 · by **Tsutsukakushi** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:03 pm

On CHUG shelves, Provider's 8.3 inch tall robot mode should blend in evenly with the 2.0 8 inch Ultra toys Onslaught, Hardhead, Silverbolt. Darkwind, Powerglide, Stormcloud and Skyfall.

On MP TF shelves, Think Provider's 8.3 inch tall robot mode will scale evenly with. The MP TF Ultra class seekers, Toy World Evila Star, Igear Faith Leader and those MP TF HasTak Voyager cars bots.

News Credits: 1 · by **mbd88prime** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:27 pm

brazen with the decepticon symbols. cant tell if that's photo shop or for real but either way...

News Credits: 1 · by **mbd88prime** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:28 pm

nevermind, its a DB

News Credits: 402 · by **Mkall** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:59 am

Thanks to RobotKingdom:

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News Credits: 10 · by **Agamemnon** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:56 am

I have to admit that this is pretty impressive so far...

by **Rated X** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:26 am

They really need to go back to the drawing board with the jets tail. No matter how impressive everything else is, the pyramid ruins it.

by **donny1975** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:39 am

Rated X wrote:They really need to go back to the drawing board with the jets tail. No matter how impressive everything else is, the pyramid ruins it.

Totally agree on that point. Heck even if you have to parts form it, give a proper tail fin! Everything looks great until your eyes get to the tail...

News Credits: 4 · by **Tsutsukakushi** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:22 pm

Think it's a great toy. Can't wait to own it.

Think UT Provider is going to scale evenly and accurately next to the MP Seekers and TW Evila Star.

News Credits: 4 · by **Tsutsukakushi** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:41 pm

Rated X wrote:They really need to go back to the drawing board with the jets tail. No matter how impressive everything else is, the pyramid ruins it.

Why?

For who?

You said you weren't buying it. Because the toy is too big. So why do you even care?

:lol:

Adjusting a problem on a toy that a non buyer complained about makes no sense. :lol:

For the buyers of this toy. Don't think this tail fin thing you mentioned. is enough to make anyone cancel their orders.

News Credits: 1 · by **Thadicon** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:08 pm

donny1975 wrote:
Rated X wrote:They really need to go back to the drawing board with the jets tail. No matter how impressive everything else is, the pyramid ruins it.

Totally agree on that point. Heck even if you have to parts form it, give a proper tail fin! Everything looks great until your eyes get to the tail...

Yeah that tail is a little flat. I am really surprised they didn't give him a shield\tail like the G1 toy had. Just to sort of make it look better without having to integrate it into the transformation.

The rest of him looks really good.

by **Rated X** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:08 pm

Tsutsukakushi wrote:
Rated X wrote:They really need to go back to the drawing board with the jets tail. No matter how impressive everything else is, the pyramid ruins it.

Why?

For who?

You said you weren't buying it. Because the toy is too big. So why do you even care?

Adjusting a problem on a toy that a non buyer complained about makes no sense.

For the buyers of this toy. Don't think this tail fin thing you mentioned. is enough to make anyone cancel their orders.

Ill tell you who....

For anyone who understands and gives a damn about aerodynamics. That plane wouldn't fly in real life with a pyramid for a tail fin. It would take a nosedive straight to the ground.

And for someone who had no intention of buying PWTT action figures, you filled up that thread with negative "opinions" just as much as I did. So you don't need to be speaking about non-buyers giving opinions because you do it all the time. >:oP

News Credits: 4 · by **Tsutsukakushi** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:04 pm

double post.

News Credits: 4 · by **Tsutsukakushi** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:11 pm

Rated X wrote: Ill tell you who....

For anyone who understands and gives a damn about aerodynamics.

by **Rated X** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:19 am

Tsutsukakushi wrote:
Rated X wrote: Ill tell you who....

For anyone who understands and gives a damn about aerodynamics.

I guess you dont. Try making a few paper airplanes. Try a few fancy tail fins. Report back to us and tell us if any of them work. >:oP

News Credits: 1 · by **mbd88prime** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:46 am

pyramids were aerodynamic in stargate.....

News Credits: 12 · by **Evil Eye** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:04 pm

Rated X wrote:
Tsutsukakushi wrote:
Rated X wrote:They really need to go back to the drawing board with the jets tail. No matter how impressive everything else is, the pyramid ruins it.

Why?

For who?

You said you weren't buying it. Because the toy is too big. So why do you even care?

Adjusting a problem on a toy that a non buyer complained about makes no sense.

For the buyers of this toy. Don't think this tail fin thing you mentioned. is enough to make anyone cancel their orders.

Ill tell you who....

For anyone who understands and gives a damn about aerodynamics. That plane wouldn't fly in real life with a pyramid for a tail fin. It would take a nosedive straight to the ground

Because clearly the implausible element of a toy representing a sentient robot that can transform into 2 completely differently sized vehicles (a tanker truck and a goddamn refuelling plane) is the slight bit of kibble on the tail fin... >:oP

News Credits: 4 · by **Tsutsukakushi** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:48 pm

Delta Magnus wrote:
Rated X wrote:
Tsutsukakushi wrote:
Rated X wrote:They really need to go back to the drawing board with the jets tail. No matter how impressive everything else is, the pyramid ruins it.

Why?

For who?

You said you weren't buying it. Because the toy is too big. So why do you even care?

Adjusting a problem on a toy that a non buyer complained about makes no sense.

For the buyers of this toy. Don't think this tail fin thing you mentioned. is enough to make anyone cancel their orders.

Ill tell you who....

For anyone who understands and gives a damn about aerodynamics. That plane wouldn't fly in real life with a pyramid for a tail fin. It would take a nosedive straight to the ground

Because clearly the implausible element of a toy representing a sentient robot that can transform into 2 completely differently sized vehicles (a tanker truck and a goddamn refuelling plane) is the slight bit of kibble on the tail fin...

Had this toy been Deluxe class. He would have bought it and praised it.

The true reason he doesn't like this toy. Is because it's too big and doesn't fit in his G1 cartoon CHUG toy scale.

He thinks if he complains in the over excessive amounts in all of the bigger toys threads. HasTak and Third parties, will see his replies and change their toys to meet his needs.

News Credits: 1 · by **Thadicon** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:29 pm

Tsutsukakushi wrote:
Delta Magnus wrote:
Rated X wrote:
Tsutsukakushi wrote:
Rated X wrote:They really need to go back to the drawing board with the jets tail. No matter how impressive everything else is, the pyramid ruins it.

Why?

For who?

You said you weren't buying it. Because the toy is too big. So why do you even care?

Adjusting a problem on a toy that a non buyer complained about makes no sense.

For the buyers of this toy. Don't think this tail fin thing you mentioned. is enough to make anyone cancel their orders.

Ill tell you who....

For anyone who understands and gives a damn about aerodynamics. That plane wouldn't fly in real life with a pyramid for a tail fin. It would take a nosedive straight to the ground

Because clearly the implausible element of a toy representing a sentient robot that can transform into 2 completely differently sized vehicles (a tanker truck and a goddamn refuelling plane) is the slight bit of kibble on the tail fin...

Had this toy been Deluxe class. He would have bought it and praised it.

The true reason he doesn't like this toy. Is because it's too big and doesn't fit in his G1 cartoon CHUG toy scale.

He thinks if he complains in the over excessive amounts in all of the bigger toys threads. HasTak and Third parties, will see his replies and change their toys to meet his needs.

Here we go again with the arguements :roll:

by **Rated X** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:45 pm

Tsutsukakushi wrote:
Delta Magnus wrote:
Rated X wrote:
Tsutsukakushi wrote:
Rated X wrote:They really need to go back to the drawing board with the jets tail. No matter how impressive everything else is, the pyramid ruins it.

Why?

For who?

You said you weren't buying it. Because the toy is too big. So why do you even care?

Adjusting a problem on a toy that a non buyer complained about makes no sense.

For the buyers of this toy. Don't think this tail fin thing you mentioned. is enough to make anyone cancel their orders.

Ill tell you who....

For anyone who understands and gives a damn about aerodynamics. That plane wouldn't fly in real life with a pyramid for a tail fin. It would take a nosedive straight to the ground

Because clearly the implausible element of a toy representing a sentient robot that can transform into 2 completely differently sized vehicles (a tanker truck and a goddamn refuelling plane) is the slight bit of kibble on the tail fin...

Had this toy been Deluxe class. He would have bought it and praised it.

The true reason he doesn't like this toy. Is because it's too big and doesn't fit in his G1 cartoon CHUG toy scale.

He thinks if he complains in the over excessive amounts in all of the bigger toys threads. HasTak and Third parties, will see his replies and change their toys to meet his needs.

Make the figure any size you like. That still wont stop the tail from looking stupid. I call it like I see it. A sheild would have been the way to go like the vintage toy. Sometimes these designers cater too much to these parts integration fanatics. In this case they compromised the alt mode to satisfy those who have an OCD about extra parts lying around. OMG, did I just use the term OCD ? Now im starting to sound like you ! :lol:

News Credits: 4 · by **Tsutsukakushi** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:39 pm

Rated X wrote: Sometimes these designers cater too much to these parts integration fanatics. In this case they compromised the alt mode to satisfy those who have an OCD about extra parts lying around.

When you post hateful comments like this. You are no longer discussing the toy.

These comments are aimed at buyers of this toy. By harassing them and blaming them for this toy being designed this way.

by **Rated X** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:58 am

Tsutsukakushi wrote:
Rated X wrote: Sometimes these designers cater too much to these parts integration fanatics. In this case they compromised the alt mode to satisfy those who have an OCD about extra parts lying around.

When you post hateful comments like this. You are no longer discussing the toy.

These comments are aimed at buyers of this toy. By harassing them and blaming them for this toy being designed this way.

And who is the number one person on this site that accuses others of having "OCD" ? :-?

I grew up with vintage G1 figures that had no parts integration and I still have them all. I never lost a part because I took care of my toys. MY OPINION IS that parts integration came about because careless people always lose their parts. If you are so worried about losing the tail fin that you would rather have a silly looking pyramid for a jet tail, then that's all you.

Had since 1986 and still got all the parts !