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I don't know how this conversation came up but some how I got to talking with my dad about how the Vehicons' personalitys were the exact oppisites of their originals.

Anyway the conversation turned into "What would the other BW Cast members be like if they were turned into Vehicons the same way?"

Tigatron for example would turn into a War Loveing, Nature hateing Vehicon which would actully fit verry well with what Megatron was trying to do.

Rattrap would end up as a polite, honest, clumsy, flying DEATH MACHINE.

Brakethrough wrote:Rattrap would end up as a polite, honest, clumsy, flying DEATH MACHINE.

I guess that's why he never became a Vehicon. Being polite and honest are not traits a villain should have.

This was always something I thought was always really cool about the idea of the Vehicons. I wish they would show up later in a series or as a homage of one figure......oh well, one can dream.

Rhinox, after he got his memory back, became almost exactly like his Predacon self from the first season of Beast Wars. Ingenious, meticulous, aggressive, but ultimately recklessly arrogant, underestimating Megatron both times.

And Silverbolt went from a cliche hero who talked a lot to a cliche villain who talked a lot.

So, it's not a perfect 180. I mean, before recovering his memory, Tankor was the opposite of Rhinox, and Thrust was the opposite of Waspinator (except that he was still very loyal). I guess Jetstorm was the opposite of Silverbolt in the sense at least that Jetstorm was the -most- evil vehicon...

Anyway, assuming memory wipes etc.

Vehicon Primal => I could see Megatron making him a lot like Tankor, taking advantage of Primal's skills and suppressed aggression to make him into a flying berserker. I could also see him going through great pains to maintain Primal's intelligence, and simply reprogramming him to be unswervingly loyal to him. In this case, in the end, Primal would have wound up a lot like RID Scourge I think. He'd be brilliant, aggressive, and evil, but have this streak of appalling good in him that emerges at unexpected times. His aggression would probably eventually lead him to betray Megatron too.

Vehicon Cheetor => Quiet, loyal, and vicious. Megatron's hound.

Vehicon Black Arachnia => Presumably a weak, spineless plaything - it's the only way Megatron would feel safe keeping her around. Otherwise he'd probably just restore her Predacon shell-programming, but cut out all of her emotions, turning her into a veritable ice vixen. Top it off with a dash of deeply programmed loyalty to Megatron and you have it.

Vehicon Rattrap => Megatron kind of liked/respected Rattrap. I think he'd actually try to preserve as much of Rattrap's skills and personality as possible. With a memory wipe and purge of his moral center, Rattrap's services could probably be easily retained through promises of material comforts. He was never really ambitious - though he was highly autonomous he never wanted to lead anyone. I expect he'd just wind up being a hardcore mercenary, and the only one who could get away with mouthing off to Megatron at all.

Vehicon Tigatron => Think Hunter-Killer robot. Only thrives to hunt and kill his prey - which is how he's been programmed to perceive Maximals/Organic Life.

Vehicon Airrazor => Effeminate Jetstorm - loud, arrogant, aggressive. Only fights flying Maximals (everyone else is beneath her) and has a disturbing relationship with Vehicon Tigatron.

Vehicon Dinobot => Megatron's personal bodyguard. All personality, individuality, and almost all autonomy stripped away leaving a highly skilled drone.

Vehicon Depthcharge => Programmed to hate Maximals more than any Vehicon. Doesn't fight out of loyalty to Megatron, but b/c he's been convinced that the Maximals are a terrible abomination responsible for everything bad on Cybertron. Bring up the fact that they created Protoform X and you might not have to reprogram him...

Caelus wrote:Rhinox, after he got his memory back, became almost exactly like his Predacon self from the first season of Beast Wars. Ingenious, meticulous, aggressive, but ultimately recklessly arrogant, underestimating Megatron both times.

And Silverbolt went from a cliche hero who talked a lot to a cliche villain who talked a lot.

So, it's not a perfect 180. I mean, before recovering his memory, Tankor was the opposite of Rhinox, and Thrust was the opposite of Waspinator (except that he was still very loyal). I guess Jetstorm was the opposite of Silverbolt in the sense at least that Jetstorm was the -most- evil vehicon...

Anyway, assuming memory wipes etc.

Vehicon Primal => I could see Megatron making him a lot like Tankor, taking advantage of Primal's skills and suppressed aggression to make him into a flying berserker. I could also see him going through great pains to maintain Primal's intelligence, and simply reprogramming him to be unswervingly loyal to him. In this case, in the end, Primal would have wound up a lot like RID Scourge I think. He'd be brilliant, aggressive, and evil, but have this streak of appalling good in him that emerges at unexpected times. His aggression would probably eventually lead him to betray Megatron too.

Vehicon Cheetor => Quiet, loyal, and vicious. Megatron's hound.

Vehicon Black Arachnia => Presumably a weak, spineless plaything - it's the only way Megatron would feel safe keeping her around. Otherwise he'd probably just restore her Predacon shell-programming, but cut out all of her emotions, turning her into a veritable ice vixen. Top it off with a dash of deeply programmed loyalty to Megatron and you have it.

Vehicon Rattrap => Megatron kind of liked/respected Rattrap. I think he'd actually try to preserve as much of Rattrap's skills and personality as possible. With a memory wipe and purge of his moral center, Rattrap's services could probably be easily retained through promises of material comforts. He was never really ambitious - though he was highly autonomous he never wanted to lead anyone. I expect he'd just wind up being a hardcore mercenary, and the only one who could get away with mouthing off to Megatron at all.

Vehicon Tigatron => Think Hunter-Killer robot. Only thrives to hunt and kill his prey - which is how he's been programmed to perceive Maximals/Organic Life.

Vehicon Airrazor => Effeminate Jetstorm - loud, arrogant, aggressive. Only fights flying Maximals (everyone else is beneath her) and has a disturbing relationship with Vehicon Tigatron.

Vehicon Dinobot => Megatron's personal bodyguard. All personality, individuality, and almost all autonomy stripped away leaving a highly skilled drone.

Vehicon Depthcharge => Programmed to hate Maximals more than any Vehicon. Doesn't fight out of loyalty to Megatron, but b/c he's been convinced that the Maximals are a terrible abomination responsible for everything bad on Cybertron. Bring up the fact that they created Protoform X and you might not have to reprogram him...

I think you missunderstood me here. I'm going for a complete oppisite personality here not asking "How would Megatron reprogram them."

Silverbolt if you think about it, was allways saving everybody. He never tried to kill anyone and (as far as I remember) only fought in defence, he was never the first one to open fire at anyone. Jetstorm on the other hand was a vicious killer who was allways the first to attack and didn't really care one little bit if any of the other Vehicons were getting attacked. Jetstorm only cared about himself while Silverbolt put everyone elses needs before his own.

As far as being the same both Silverbolt and Jetstorm fly and have really lame one liners.

Waspinator I absolutly hated all through BW as a character, as comic relief I loved him every time he blew up. Thrust's character I loved and he went from a flyer to a ground vehicle.

As far as being the same, Thrust does have wasp stripes painted on him and allthough he is stronger he's still the weakest of all the Predacons/Vehicons.

Rhinox is the Transformer equilvilant of Albert Instine (spelling) while Tankor is more like a school bully who was held back 6 years in kindergarden.

Both Rhinox and Tankor are verry huge and strong allthough Rhinox hardly ever used his brawn. I think that's all Megatron wanted was his brawn and no brains.

So basically all their physical and power traits remained the same but their personality traits were total flip flops.

But reprogramming was part of the process Saber. You think initially Rhinox was on his side? It's also how the Jetstorm persona worked. He found their inner darkness and found was to bring it out of them in a new, false persona.

Rhinox found something in this newfound darkness that made sense to him and it corrupted him.

Silverbolt even said a part of him liked the Jetstorm persona, which is why he punished himself right up to Megatron's demise.

Waspinator was in the end always unable to defy Megatron completely. Since he came back and got converted he basically says WTF and went with it, as Thrust was something of an improvement on his usual situation, so he didn't need to be altered, but this led to his confidence growing in him and speaking out Megatron at times. But Waspiantor had to be reprogrammed as he was something of an incompitent, so he was made to be a better, more efficient drone.

Obsidian and Strika were loyal and didn't need to be reprogrammed as they were loyal to Cybertron and therefore loyal to Megatron, who at that point was essentially Cybertron itself.

So this says that those who are naturally disloyal or weak to Megatron had to be reprogrammed. So the Maximals would most definitely fall in this realm of reprogramming. Probably if the Darkside crew came there would be some alterings too as some were not so loyal to Megatron. But the reprogramming invovles bringing out their opposite sides, so as to further repress their true selves.

By making them into everything they couldn't normally be Megatron counted on them to fall into the intoxicating feeling of liberation it brought out of them, which the initial three generals felt: (Tankor found logic and reason in his goals, though his idiocy was not liked but liberating in it's freedom of rage. Jetstorm was a guilty pleasure for Silverbolt, being free of his code of ethics and honour. Waspinator felt Thrust was respected where he wasn't, and was misguided into thinking the chicks dug him.) So this would happen to the Maximals as well.

BTW you left out Vehicon Nightscream and Botanica Caelus.

Plus lets bring back all the others and see how they would be? Vehicon Terrorsaur..hmmm.

Dynamax wrote:But reprogramming was part of the process Saber. You think initially Rhinox was on his side? It's also how the Jetstorm persona worked. He found their inner darkness and found was to bring it out of them in a new, false persona.

Rhinox found something in this newfound darkness that made sense to him and it corrupted him.

Silverbolt even said a part of him liked the Jetstorm persona, which is why he punished himself right up to Megatron's demise.

Waspinator was in the end always unable to defy Megatron completely. Since he came back and got converted he basically says WTF and went with it, as Thrust was something of an improvement on his usual situation, so he didn't need to be altered, but this led to his confidence growing in him and speaking out Megatron at times. But Waspiantor had to be reprogrammed as he was something of an incompitent, so he was made to be a better, more efficient drone.

Obsidian and Strika were loyal and didn't need to be reprogrammed as they were loyal to Cybertron and therefore loyal to Megatron, who at that point was essentially Cybertron itself.

So this says that those who are naturally disloyal or weak to Megatron had to be reprogrammed. So the Maximals would most definitely fall in this realm of reprogramming. Probably if the Darkside crew came there would be some alterings too as some were not so loyal to Megatron. But the reprogramming invovles bringing out their opposite sides, so as to further repress their true selves.

By making them into everything they couldn't normally be Megatron counted on them to fall into the intoxicating feeling of liberation it brought out of them, which the initial three generals felt: (Tankor found logic and reason in his goals, though his idiocy was not liked but liberating in it's freedom of rage. Jetstorm was a guilty pleasure for Silverbolt, being free of his code of ethics and honour. Waspinator felt Thrust was respected where he wasn't, and was misguided into thinking the chicks dug him.) So this would happen to the Maximals as well.

BTW you left out Vehicon Nightscream and Botanica Caelus.

Plus lets bring back all the others and see how they would be? Vehicon Terrorsaur..hmmm.

But non of that has anything to do with the topic. I'm just talking about reverse personalitys, personality traits that are total oppisites. Megatron's reprograming of the Vehicons was just used as examples and has nothing to do with the topic.

So let me say again, we're not talking about Megatron at all, this has nothing to do with him. I'm just discussing what characters would be like if their personalitys were backwards NOT if they were reprogramed by Megatron.

Saber Prime wrote:So let me say again, we're not talking about Megatron at all, this has nothing to do with him. I'm just discussing what characters would be like if their personalitys were backwards NOT if they were reprogramed by Megatron.

So really the topic title should/could have been Transformers: Mirrorverse.

Saber Prime wrote:Instine (spelling)

Einstein.

Black Arachnia would basically be Hinata from Naruto. Quiet, shy, weak-willed. And probably wouldn't be up for any manipulation. She'd be too nice.

Shadowman wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:Instine (spelling)

Einstein.

Well wasn't too far off, Just droped an E and put the other E in the wrong place.