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[warzon3]

Wow, I am impressed they actually made his legs exactly like the cartoon. I thought it would have been too much of a stretch to have those rear windows run all the way up his legs, but they did it.

Only thing that bothers me a little is that since MP is going for moving hand parts...Prowl and Sideswipes fists' look a little too big?

[PrymeStriker]

It's go time, Takara...

[Rated X]

plus a minor retool will result in Jazz/Stepper/Ricochet.

You cannot turn this:



into this:



with a mere minor retool. Forgetting about the difference in the shoulders, the chest transforms radically differently, the waist is fundamentally different and the feet/legs transformation is fundamentally different.

Yes Hasbro might try it because in their market, adult collectors make up the minority. However we are talking about Takara, whose bread and butter are adult collectors and where the Masterpiece line is a mainstream retail release. Furthermore Prowl and Meister are very popular characters, so there's no way in hell they're going to cut corners with either.

Oh the re-tool will happen. Remember Takara are the ones bold enough to paint Scourge purple, give him a new head, and call him Ratbat. Takara is also the one who were too lazy to remove the stupid light up hand gimmick on their version of G1 Unicron. Takara is so lazy they dont even assemble their arms microns, they give you an unasembled kit.(WTF?) Takaras strength is paint and they will make this mold look just like Jazz. The feet will spin around to simulate the proper look, and the wheels on the shoulders will probally flip up. Shoulder cannons will be clip on.

[JelZe GoldRabbit]

Oh the re-tool will happen. Remember Takara are the ones bold enough to paint Scourge purple, give him a new head, and call him Ratbat. Takara is also the one who were too lazy to remove the stupid light up hand gimmick on their version of G1 Unicron. Takara is so lazy they dont even assemble their arms microns, they give you an unasembled kit.(WTF?) Takaras strength is paint and they will make this mold look just like Jazz. The feet will spin around to simulate the proper look, and the wheels on the shoulders will probally flip up. Shoulder cannons will be clip on.

I thought Hasbro was the lazy one.

A few points:

1) Ratbat uses the pre-planned alternate head of the Gen. Scourge mold that would go unused otherwise.
2) Odd, you want TakaraTomy to remove a gimmick, that fans would want to remain intact?
3) Arms Micron was all about model kits and customization, that business is huge with the kids in Japan. TakaraTomy merely hooked into it.
4) Since when is G1 Jazz a Datsun?

[Rated X]

Oh the re-tool will happen. Remember Takara are the ones bold enough to paint Scourge purple, give him a new head, and call him Ratbat. Takara is also the one who were too lazy to remove the stupid light up hand gimmick on their version of G1 Unicron. Takara is so lazy they dont even assemble their arms microns, they give you an unasembled kit.(WTF?) Takaras strength is paint and they will make this mold look just like Jazz. The feet will spin around to simulate the proper look, and the wheels on the shoulders will probally flip up. Shoulder cannons will be clip on.

I thought Hasbro was the lazy one.

A few points:

1) Ratbat uses the pre-planned alternate head of the Gen. Scourge mold that would go unused otherwise.
2) Odd, you want TakaraTomy to remove a gimmick, that fans would want to remain intact?
3) Arms Micron was all about model kits and customization, that business is huge with the kids in Japan. TakaraTomy merely hooked into it.
4) Since when is G1 Jazz a Datsun?

1. On ratbat, it's that shiny paint that sold me (and many others Im guessing. Otherwise it's just a purple scourge. ROTF Mindwipe would have probally been a better choice if they really wanted to envoke Senator Ratbat from a neo perspective.

2. Nobody liked the silly light up hand because of lack of symmetry. I never enen put batteries in my Takara version. At least the Hasbro Amazon version gave the clear plastic a silverish tint to make it match his other hand. I own both versions but Takara's colors are more G! movie/cartoon accurate.

3. You got me on the kits. Im just as lazy as Has/Tak and wish they would build them for me. I guess the Japanese like to build/paint alot more. (hence Gundam kits) I only have one Micron (FOC Shockwave) since Im not a TF Prime collector.

4. Remember we are talking about re-tooling here. The transformation is very similar to adapt a porcshe re-shell. The legs can be turned around and the wheels on the the shoulder can be flipped up. If Has/Tak doesnt modify it, Igear might like they did with the seekers.

[Doc bot]

Jazz was a Porsche 935 Martini racer. With the amount of detail Takara is putting into these, there's no way they'll let Jazz be a Fairlady Z. I really doubt Porsche will let Takara use their car (and probably Martini Racing wouldn't be on board either.) Then again, they did convince Lamborghini to let them use the Countach. Fingers crossed.

[JelZe GoldRabbit]

My thoughts are, if you're going to be redoing the car shell as well as parts of the transformation, you may as well create a whole new mold from scratch. They made a new mold for RtS Jazz instead of making him a Universe Silverstreak repaint, didn't they?

[Rated X]

My thoughts are, if you're going to be redoing the car shell as well as parts of the transformation, you may as well create a whole new mold from scratch. They made a new mold for RtS Jazz instead of making him a Universe Silverstreak repaint, didn't they?

Thats true, but what about when Has/Tak cut costs by intergrating Sunstreaker and Sideswipe into the same mold ? In G1 they were 2 completly different molds. (a real Lamborghini Countach and a futuristic car roughly based on the Lamborghini Countach) With 2 totally different robot mode transformations. We could see something simiular on an MP scale. If Prowl's shoulder wheels mysteriously flip up for no reason and his lower legs swivel 360 degrees like FP Assualter, then we know whats coming.

[Jones]

Quick attempt at pulling out more details with Photoshop. I'd wager I could get more definition if I spent more time in Photoshop, but I would imagine that a better picture will hit the internet before too long.



All signs point to the fact that this figure will look incredible.

[JelZe GoldRabbit]

My thoughts are, if you're going to be redoing the car shell as well as parts of the transformation, you may as well create a whole new mold from scratch. They made a new mold for RtS Jazz instead of making him a Universe Silverstreak repaint, didn't they?

Thats true, but what about when Has/Tak cut costs by intergrating Sunstreaker and Sideswipe into the same mold ? In G1 they were 2 completly different molds. (a real Lamborghini Countach and a futuristic car roughly based on the Lamborghini Countach) With 2 totally different robot mode transformations. We could see something simiular on an MP scale. If Prowl's shoulder wheels mysteriously flip up for no reason and his lower legs swivel 360 degrees like FP Assualter, then we know whats coming.

I knew you were gonna bring up Universe Sunsteaker/Sideswipe

While Universe's aim was updating designs, Masterpiece's aim is for cartoon-accuracy and no cutting corners. Take a close look at Red Alert and compare him with Sideswipe. They could have left out the wheels on the shoulders and the detail on the hood chest, but they didn't.