Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Okay, in the Aligned Continuity (which the Covenant of Primus book and Exodus novel apply to), the Plasma Energy Chamber is merely a handheld object that serves as a power source of some great magnitude, as corrupting it and placing it into the Core of Cybertron allowed the Core to produce an endless supply of Dark Energon. Both books were pretty vague on the thing, though, and even confuse the reader as to why something small enough to be handheld is called a "chamber".primematrix1986 wrote:Well yeah, in G1. I am talking about The Covenant Of Primus, which fits into almost all continuities. So I am trying to fit everything together, like the book.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
primematrix1986 wrote:Seems logical enough. I can't remember if the Quintessons manufactured Transformers in this continuity or not. Anyhow, it would make sense I suppose, but why would Transformers make a handheld power source of great magnitude? Like, what is the purpose of it all? It is stored inside Telatran-1, and Omega Supreme is the guardian of it I suppose. Maybe it is what keeps Cybertrons power flowing? Kind of like the equivalent to power lines or satellites for humans, keeps the networks/power running.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
But the Covenant also spoke of the Plasma Energy Chamber in the same circumstances as Exodus did, so its inclusion likely came from the Binder rather than from Irvine's own ideas.Dead Metal wrote:primematrix1986 wrote:Seems logical enough. I can't remember if the Quintessons manufactured Transformers in this continuity or not. Anyhow, it would make sense I suppose, but why would Transformers make a handheld power source of great magnitude? Like, what is the purpose of it all? It is stored inside Telatran-1, and Omega Supreme is the guardian of it I suppose. Maybe it is what keeps Cybertrons power flowing? Kind of like the equivalent to power lines or satellites for humans, keeps the networks/power running.
More like a poopy writer who didn't really care about what he's writing for looked for nostalgic terms he could paste into his book to let make fans think it's cool, came across it and decided to use it, not understanding what it originally was and did, or what the word chamber means.
Or he kept using the term, and came to a scene that required the artifact to be held in one hand, and completely forgot about what chamber means and didn't care to check previous chapters and pages to realize his mistake.
The Quints didn't come until long after the Cybertronians were already alive and made. All the Quints did was go "Hey, did you guys know that you can transform? No? Well, since you didn't know you already had that ability, we'll lie and take the full credit for that ability, claiming that we gave it to you as a gift from the stars when it's really been something that you all could do all along on your own, you just didn't know that you could and we shall exploit that ignorance of yours for our benefit."primematrix1986 wrote:The Covenant Of Primus makes a lot of sense to me. See, in G1 The Plasma Energy Chamber was described as the place where the Quintessons forged the Autobots. That brings me back to A)that maybe the Quintessons took park of The Core and stored it in a conatainer of sorts thus making the Chamber. Those "synthetic" (or manufactured) Transformers have to get a spark somehow. If I remember correctly, I think The Covenant Of Primus mentioned them making robots, but again I cant remember exactly.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:But the Covenant also spoke of the Plasma Energy Chamber in the same circumstances as Exodus did, so its inclusion likely came from the Binder rather than from Irvine's own ideas.Dead Metal wrote:primematrix1986 wrote:Seems logical enough. I can't remember if the Quintessons manufactured Transformers in this continuity or not. Anyhow, it would make sense I suppose, but why would Transformers make a handheld power source of great magnitude? Like, what is the purpose of it all? It is stored inside Telatran-1, and Omega Supreme is the guardian of it I suppose. Maybe it is what keeps Cybertrons power flowing? Kind of like the equivalent to power lines or satellites for humans, keeps the networks/power running.
More like a poopy writer who didn't really care about what he's writing for looked for nostalgic terms he could paste into his book to let make fans think it's cool, came across it and decided to use it, not understanding what it originally was and did, or what the word chamber means.
Or he kept using the term, and came to a scene that required the artifact to be held in one hand, and completely forgot about what chamber means and didn't care to check previous chapters and pages to realize his mistake.The Quints didn't come until long after the Cybertronians were already alive and made. All the Quints did was go "Hey, did you guys know that you can transform? No? Well, since you didn't know you already had that ability, we'll lie and take the full credit for that ability, claiming that we gave it to you as a gift from the stars when it's really been something that you all could do all along on your own, you just didn't know that you could and we shall exploit that ignorance of yours for our benefit."primematrix1986 wrote:The Covenant Of Primus makes a lot of sense to me. See, in G1 The Plasma Energy Chamber was described as the place where the Quintessons forged the Autobots. That brings me back to A)that maybe the Quintessons took park of The Core and stored it in a conatainer of sorts thus making the Chamber. Those "synthetic" (or manufactured) Transformers have to get a spark somehow. If I remember correctly, I think The Covenant Of Primus mentioned them making robots, but again I cant remember exactly.
Pretty much . I knew that the Quintessons came alone after by the way.Sabrblade wrote:But the Covenant also spoke of the Plasma Energy Chamber in the same circumstances as Exodus did, so its inclusion likely came from the Binder rather than from Irvine's own ideas.Dead Metal wrote:primematrix1986 wrote:Seems logical enough. I can't remember if the Quintessons manufactured Transformers in this continuity or not. Anyhow, it would make sense I suppose, but why would Transformers make a handheld power source of great magnitude? Like, what is the purpose of it all? It is stored inside Telatran-1, and Omega Supreme is the guardian of it I suppose. Maybe it is what keeps Cybertrons power flowing? Kind of like the equivalent to power lines or satellites for humans, keeps the networks/power running.
More like a poopy writer who didn't really care about what he's writing for looked for nostalgic terms he could paste into his book to let make fans think it's cool, came across it and decided to use it, not understanding what it originally was and did, or what the word chamber means.
Or he kept using the term, and came to a scene that required the artifact to be held in one hand, and completely forgot about what chamber means and didn't care to check previous chapters and pages to realize his mistake.The Quints didn't come until long after the Cybertronians were already alive and made. All the Quints did was go "Hey, did you guys know that you can transform? No? Well, since you didn't know you already had that ability, we'll lie and take the full credit for that ability, claiming that we gave it to you as a gift from the stars when it's really been something that you all could do all along on your own, you just didn't know that you could and we shall exploit that ignorance of yours for our benefit."primematrix1986 wrote:The Covenant Of Primus makes a lot of sense to me. See, in G1 The Plasma Energy Chamber was described as the place where the Quintessons forged the Autobots. That brings me back to A)that maybe the Quintessons took park of The Core and stored it in a conatainer of sorts thus making the Chamber. Those "synthetic" (or manufactured) Transformers have to get a spark somehow. If I remember correctly, I think The Covenant Of Primus mentioned them making robots, but again I cant remember exactly.
primematrix1986 wrote:The Covenant Of Primus makes a lot of sense to me. See, in G1 The Plasma Energy Chamber was described as the place where the Quintessons forged the Autobots.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Though not in the cartoon, but an external source does mention the Quints as the foragers: The 3H Wreckers comics (so it is true for at least those).sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:primematrix1986 wrote:The Covenant Of Primus makes a lot of sense to me. See, in G1 The Plasma Energy Chamber was described as the place where the Quintessons forged the Autobots.
slight correction.
In the G1 cartoon, The Plasma Energy Chamber was described as the place where the first autobots were forged ...............but there was no mention about who foraged them.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Though not in the cartoon, but an external source does mention the Quints as the foragers: The 3H Wreckers comics (so it is true for at least those).sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:primematrix1986 wrote:The Covenant Of Primus makes a lot of sense to me. See, in G1 The Plasma Energy Chamber was described as the place where the Quintessons forged the Autobots.
slight correction.
In the G1 cartoon, The Plasma Energy Chamber was described as the place where the first autobots were forged ...............but there was no mention about who foraged them.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Sabrblade wrote:Though not in the cartoon, but an external source does mention the Quints as the foragers: The 3H Wreckers comics (so it is true for at least those).sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:primematrix1986 wrote:The Covenant Of Primus makes a lot of sense to me. See, in G1 The Plasma Energy Chamber was described as the place where the Quintessons forged the Autobots.
slight correction.
In the G1 cartoon, The Plasma Energy Chamber was described as the place where the first autobots were forged ...............but there was no mention about who foraged them.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Dead Metal wrote:On top of that there where all the episodes that came before that episode that spelled it out pretty clearly that the Quintesons created the Transformers, and that the Autobot symbol was their "slabrand" or well, company logo.
So how people can question the Quintesons as being the forgers is kinda baffling.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Yes, it is hard for one to believe that that when Alpha Prime specifically said to Rodimus, "Prepare to look into the face of your creator!" and showed him an image of a Quintesson. He then continued to say, "Eons ago, Cybertron was a factory built by the Quintessons to manufacture robots. There were two product lines. Military hardware and consumer goods. These two product lines were the lineal ancestors of the Decepticons and the Autobots."sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:On top of that there where all the episodes that came before that episode that spelled it out pretty clearly that the Quintesons created the Transformers, and that the Autobot symbol was their "slabrand" or well, company logo.
So how people can question the Quintesons as being the forgers is kinda baffling.
"baffling" really??? You find it "baffling" that some people doubt that Quintesons the forgers of the original autobots?
maybe I missed the episodes that showed the quints as trustworthy and great tellers of truth.
With everything we saw about the Quints in the g toon, is it hard for you to believe that they found robotic life on cybertron and enslaved it?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Yes, it is hard for one to believe that that when Alpha Prime specifically said to Rodimus, "Prepare to look into the face of your creator!" and showed him an image of a Quintesson. He then continued to say, "Eons ago, Cybertron was a factory built by the Quintessons to manufacture robots. There were two product lines. Military hardware and consumer goods. These two product lines were the lineal ancestors of the Decepticons and the Autobots."
So, yeah, if it wasn't the Quintessons who made the first Cybertronians, then the first Matrix bearer, along with all of his successors, is the one who is lying.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:A better question would be why one would even come to think of that idea instead of going by what the cartoon itself told us was true?
Especially at the time when no other fiction existed to conflict with it (the Marvel Comics were established as their own thing, so they left the cartoon alone).
And why would Alpha or any of the Primes inside the Matrix be going off of misinformation when the Matrix itself was a storehouse of truthful knowledge itself? Are you willing to go as far as to suggest that the Matrix itself was comprised of fallacious info? when all evidence from the show points to the contrary?
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:On top of that there where all the episodes that came before that episode that spelled it out pretty clearly that the Quintesons created the Transformers, and that the Autobot symbol was their "slabrand" or well, company logo.
So how people can question the Quintesons as being the forgers is kinda baffling.
"baffling" really??? You find it "baffling" that some people doubt that Quintesons the forgers of the original autobots?
maybe I missed the episodes that showed the quints as trustworthy and great tellers of truth.
With everything we saw about the Quints in the g toon, is it hard for you to believe that they found robotic life on cybertron and enslaved it?
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:Simple:
Show creators state Quints are the creators of the TFs in the cartoon, subplot started in movie but was cut from movie.
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All evidence from the show points towards the TFs being created by the Quints.
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Quints are creators
To question that is utterly pointless.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Simple:
Show creators state Quints are the creators of the TFs in the cartoon, subplot started in movie but was cut from movie.
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All evidence from the show points towards the TFs being created by the Quints.
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Quints are creators
To question that is utterly pointless.
Simple:
Anything stated by anyone outside of the series itself is not canon.Show creators or above it doesnt hold any weight in this kind of a debate.
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Like wise for any info OR SUBPLOTS that was dropped from the toon or film.
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All evidence from the show is subject to scrutiny because the source of the evidence is not exactly trustworthy.[the source being the Quints]
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Quints CLAIM to be TF creators...........but theres no reason to trust their claims
Not to question that claim is utterly naive
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:You want this debate? Go and check the whole show again and bring forth actual evidence or anything that would suggest that it's a lie. Go on, unless you find it, and with this I want episode number and scene including it's time mark,
this will be nothing more than back when you debated why WFC is G1,
or when you tried to disprove my claim that Batman as we know him today isn't the exact same Batman from his original appearance by proving it.
So yea, until then, you're still just a clown who only wants to waste my time.
On top of that we saw that the Quints experimented with different kinds of products before settling on the TFs.
[/quote]It is naive of you to believe that you have any ground what so ever to contradict the show, since the Quints plot was always presented as fact, nothing in the show contradicts it.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Sabrblade wrote:You do know what the Primitives were, right?
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
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