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Banjo-Tron wrote:I would just like to point out that I am not missing any 'point', I just have a different opinion about what constitutes equality. It's a bit sneakily disparaging to basically say that people who don't see things the same way as you don't 'get it' Va'al. Naughty Va'al
Va'al wrote:Banjo-Tron wrote:I would just like to point out that I am not missing any 'point', I just have a different opinion about what constitutes equality. It's a bit sneakily disparaging to basically say that people who don't see things the same way as you don't 'get it' Va'al. Naughty Va'al
Nope. We agree on what constitutes equality, obviously. (I'd be surprised if there were multiple interpretations of 'equal', other than the Orwellian one.)
I disagree with you on the fact that we are not there yet. And that is the point you and others are not getting. I'm not saying that you disagree with me therefore you're wrong, I'm pointing out that you seem to think there is no inequality at play a) in society, b) in the comics industry, c) in the Transformers franchise.
And that is just not true. Examples of diversity gaps below.
London Review of Book inequality in contributors and reviewed works: http://forbookssake.net/2013/06/24/find ... -of-books/
Women in comics in December 2013 and year review: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/02/28/ ... in-review/
DC
Marvel
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Banjo-Tron wrote:I only ask that you do not tell me that I disagree with you because I 'don't get' what you are saying
Dead Metal wrote:It is utterly pointless to point out the low number of women who work at DC and Marvel
Banjo-Tron wrote:Sooo that's the third time you've said I don't 'get' it, I'll leave this discussion to the adults...
I'm done
Va'al wrote:The time for fresh talent is over? So we just accept it as a fact, and do nothing to challenge it?
Va'al wrote:Dead Metal wrote:It is utterly pointless to point out the low number of women who work at DC and Marvel
It is never utterly pointless to point out that there is a lack of diversity in any field, ever.
The time for fresh talent is over? So we just accept it as a fact, and do nothing to challenge it?
There are plenty of women creators in the comics business. We need to acknowledge their existence, say what we think about them, be it good or bad. And what the movement with Scott and Stone on the Windblade comic is doing, is just that: visibility.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Va'al wrote:I did read the rest, and I'm not offended, at all!
I hope it's coming across that I'm just trying to have a discussion, not argue for the sake of arguing.
I am not saying that DC and Marvel are to blame, those graphs are examples of some of the available material showing the gender gap. They are, though, the biggest names in the market, and the ones that most comics readers will associate with the industry. But they are symptomatic of what is currently the case.
As the other links I posted above show, yes, there are women creators - but they're not visible. As I advocate for colourist, letterer, editor, translator's rights in terms of recognition on publications, I advocate for another unsung portion of the creative force behind the industry.
As I said, DC and Marvel are not solely at fault for the disparity, nor is IDW, or Image, or Boom! Studios, or Dark Horse, or Titan, or Jonathan Cape, or Self Made Hero, or Penguin Books. But they can do more to make sure that the equality that we all clearly appear to be wanting or asking for is achieved. And I do believe that it can be done by positively discriminating towards the so far minorities: acknowledge when something new is happening, make sure people realise it's new -- then move on, once it's finally become the norm.
And this is where I disagree with points like Henry's above (while I get the sentiment, obviously). We do need to get into these debates. We do need graphs that show some numbers. We do need to talk about how many women writers are writing. Because it's not the norm, and it should be.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:The graphs are still pointless, they would make more sense if they where accompanied by a graph showing how many women are active in the comic industry and then compare those three graphs.
On their own they're just used as finger pointing and only serve to exaggerate the extent of the issue.
Using them is like stating global warming is BS and proving it by pointing out that winter is still colder than summer.
I also don't get why you had to only focus on the beginning of the sentence, take that out of context, ignore the rest of the post which explains the point, and then rant about something I did not actually say just to have a discussion.
I don't want that kind of discussion, I'm for equality, and I don't care who makes my comics as long as they're good. In fact it's only a pretty recent development for me to actually care enough about the writers to actually learn their names and check what else they've written.
I don't appreciate being pointed at and made out to somehow be against equality just because I'm not extreme about it enough and don't have a weird self-hate for being born with a penis. That's not just you, but more a broad complaint for a phenomenon I've been seeing more often recently.
Some proof that Sarah Stone (@fayren)’s Windblade is gonna be beautiful series. Issue one page one art and colors by Stone.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote::shock: That... That... That... That... (*slaps face*) That has to be the single most beautiful piece of Transformers artwork ever produced in the whole span of all 30 years from 1984 to today! Sarah Stone should be given a slaggin' medal for just that art piece alone! Why, make her become the official permanent artist for all things Transformers from here on out and we'll likely never have to worry about bad artwork ever again!
Does this look like I'm sarcastic?Banjo-Tron wrote:Sabrblade wrote::shock: That... That... That... That... (*slaps face*) That has to be the single most beautiful piece of Transformers artwork ever produced in the whole span of all 30 years from 1984 to today! Sarah Stone should be given a slaggin' medal for just that art piece alone! Why, make her become the official permanent artist for all things Transformers from here on out and we'll likely never have to worry about bad artwork ever again!
Are you being sarcastic, based on what's been said before on this thread?
I do really like it though, reminds me of Möbius for some reason. Looking good.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Rodimus Prime wrote:You can't make me disappear. I am not feet.
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