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by **Shadowstream** » Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:47 am

Hmm... worst is kind of a strong word to use for most of these. I think 'Least Liked' would be more favorable. That said, my list will be rather bare as my experience and collecting habbits have left me little to work with.

G1:
G1 post movie:
G2: Space Case... well actually this is kind of a love/hate thing. One of my first TFs ever, thought it was the best thing ever.... fell the f*ck apart on me and got thrown away.
Beast Wars: Transmetal Megatron. Same deal here... goddamned GPS
Machine Wars:
Beast Machines:
RID: Spychanger Sideburn. What is this thing?!
Alternators: Smokescreen. I only have him and Sideswipe so it's a bit unfair, but I feel he is the more fiddly of the 2
Titanium:
Masterpiece:
Armada: Thrust. What even is his gimmick supposed to be?!
Energon: Kicker... need I say more?
Cybertron: Supreme Starscream. Waste of money, and trend setter for a future of terrible supreme figures to follow
Classics: Deluxe Floptimus Prime
2007 movie: EVERYTHING
Universe: Can't choose between Galvatron or Tankor... both are rather big let downs
ROTF:
TF Animated: Bumblebee. fiddly and floppy.
RTS: 2-pack Rodimus. Not too bad all in all, but definitely weak
Prime: Soundwave. Whoever designed his legs needs a boot to the head.
DOTM:
Generations: WFC Optimus... again, friggin' fiddly!

News Credits: 7 · by **Zeedust** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:59 am

Shadowstream wrote:Prime: Soundwave. Whoever designed his legs needs a boot to the head.

...I have no problem with Soundwave's legs. What did they do to get under your skin?

I'm surprised nobody's said Cheetor (either Mega or Supreme) for Beast MAchines. Both versions were spindly messes who couldn't stand up. Thankfully, Night Slash Cheetor fixed it, but STILL.

by **Cobalt Prime** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:53 am

Nemesis Primal wrote:
Shadowstream wrote:Prime: Soundwave. Whoever designed his legs needs a boot to the head.

...I have no problem with Soundwave's legs. What did they do to get under your skin?

I'm surprised nobody's said Cheetor (either Mega or Supreme) for Beast MAchines. Both versions were spindly messes who couldn't stand up. Thankfully, Night Slash Cheetor fixed it, but STILL.

I'll see your BM Cheetors and raise you a BM Nightscream. Ugly, gangly, failed gimmick piece of slag that also has serious standing issues. Also ridiculously out of scale.

News Credits: 7 · by **Zeedust** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:36 am

Are we counting the Marvel Comics Crossovers figures as a line? Because I just dealt with Venom again last night, and UGH... He is a finnicky mess to transform, and does not like to stand up in robot mode.

Speaking of terrible Crossovers figures, don't get me started on the Darth Vader/AnakinSkywalker/Star Destroyer/Some Prequel Ship thing. That thing is a mess.

News Credits: 1 · by **rpetras** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:32 pm

People, people, people.

Can't we all just get along and agree to hate Energon Slugslinger together.

God I f'n hate that thing

News Credits: 12 · by **Evil Eye** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:35 pm

...Why?

It must be something to do with his transformation or functional design, 'cause aesthetics wise I think he's one of the coolest Decepticons ever made (I sadly don't own the toy, so I can't really comment...But I rather like him)

by **RAcast** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:20 pm

Delta Magnus wrote:...Why?

It must be something to do with his transformation or functional design, 'cause aesthetics wise I think he's one of the coolest Decepticons ever made (I sadly don't own the toy, so I can't really comment...But I rather like him)

It looks great, it's just a fiddly mess that doesn't peg together well...or at all sometimes... #-o

News Credits: 12 · by **Evil Eye** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:22 pm

Oh. I see. Is it a problem of loose pegs? A bit of varnish or super glue might fix that if it is.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:26 pm

Delta Magnus wrote:Oh. I see. Is it a problem of loose pegs? A bit of varnish or super glue might fix that if it is.

No no... he's too complicated for his size class, like Universe Galvatron. Think of the complexity of RotF Leader Optimus Prime compressed into a Deluxe-sized figure. :lol:

News Credits: 12 · by **Evil Eye** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:29 pm

*Insert rant about you kids being used to "those dumbed down, easy Transformations" and how "Toys were good back then"*

*Remembers that I am younger than most of the other posters on the forum, and that toy complexity has gone considerably up since the days of the 80s*

Oh.

I'm gonna buy him anyway. He just looks so damn amazing that I don't care if I shred my fingers transforming him.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:40 pm

Delta Magnus wrote:*Insert rant about you kids being used to "those dumbed down, easy Transformations" and how "Toys were good back then"*

*Remembers that I am younger than most of the other posters on the forum, and that toy complexity has gone considerably up since the days of the 80s*

I actually enjoy the more complicated figures more than the easier ones, but I must draw the line when the complexity hinders the stability of a toy.

News Credits: 12 · by **Evil Eye** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:43 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Delta Magnus wrote:*Insert rant about you kids being used to "those dumbed down, easy Transformations" and how "Toys were good back then"*

*Remembers that I am younger than most of the other posters on the forum, and that toy complexity has gone considerably up since the days of the 80s*

You have every right to rant. I actually enjoy the more complicated figures more than the easier ones, but I must draw the line when the complexity hinders the stability of a toy.

The irony is I was actually mocking the knee-jerk "(insert product here) was better back in my day, you're all spoiled with this modern crap!" reactions...

Awww, slaggit.

News Credits: 7 · by **Zeedust** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:01 pm

I'd like to nominate Smokescreen for worst Beast Hunters figure thus far. There's complexity, and then there's everything getting in everything else's way and not pegging together properly without having to screw with it for fifteen minutes. It looks good in both modes, but going between them...

by **RAcast** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:01 pm

Nemesis Primal wrote:I'd like to nominate Smokescreen for worst Beast Hunters figure thus far. There's complexity, and then there's everything getting in everything else's way and not pegging together properly without having to screw with it for fifteen minutes. It looks good in both modes, but going between them...

I whole heartedly disagree. He may have a bit of bits-running-into-other-bits when you're folding his arms and shoulders down to form the top of the car, but it's not -that- bad. And transformation to robot mode is smooth as silk.

News Credits: 7 · by **Zeedust** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:07 pm

RAcast wrote:
Nemesis Primal wrote:I'd like to nominate Smokescreen for worst Beast Hunters figure thus far. There's complexity, and then there's everything getting in everything else's way and not pegging together properly without having to screw with it for fifteen minutes. It looks good in both modes, but going between them...

I whole heartedly disagree. He may have a bit of bits-running-into-other-bits when you're folding his arms and shoulders down to form the top of the car, but it's not -that- bad. And transformation to robot mode is smooth as silk.

I may change my mind after transforming him a few more times and getting used to him, but I just got him today, and my intial impression is that he's a pain to transform, and thus not a whole lot of fun.

by **RAcast** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:22 pm

Nemesis Primal wrote:
RAcast wrote:
Nemesis Primal wrote:I'd like to nominate Smokescreen for worst Beast Hunters figure thus far. There's complexity, and then there's everything getting in everything else's way and not pegging together properly without having to screw with it for fifteen minutes. It looks good in both modes, but going between them...

I whole heartedly disagree. He may have a bit of bits-running-into-other-bits when you're folding his arms and shoulders down to form the top of the car, but it's not -that- bad. And transformation to robot mode is smooth as silk.

I may change my mind after transforming him a few more times and getting used to him, but I just got him today, and my intial impression is that he's a pain to transform, and thus not a whole lot of fun.

The trick to getting him back to vehicle mode is to keep the legs and faux chest hinged downward, peg it in last. Get the doors in place and make sure the windows are hinged up all the way. There's a little give in the windows between where they can hinge to and where they actually peg in at (as in, they don't peg in hinged ALL the way up). It's not a huge margin, but it's there and it's important. Fold the shoulder struts (the parts that hide under the shoulder pads in robot mode) all the way closed, then peg the arms together with half of the hood hinged to where it is in robot mode and the other half ready to be pegged in for car mode.

It's fair to say that things get in the way of each other at that point, but it's not -that- bad. It's two minutes of fiddling at best if you screw it up. Do reserve judgement about a transformation until you've actually spent some time with it, eh?

Oh, something that bears noting, which I just found out doing it myself. It's important that the upper arm sections are oriented with the outside of the ball joint facing up. There's a minor clearance issue if it's facing sideways.

by **Shelf Space** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:17 am

Super Megatron wrote:G1: Broadside (horrible in all modes)

Aw man, Broadside was great... a total brick to be sure, but a total brick WITH AN AXE!

one of those sentimental ones for me i guess

News Credits: 7 · by **Zeedust** » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:13 am

Have I now had enough time with Smokescreen that I may delare him a pain in the ass to transform? Because experience hasn't made it much better. And this is a toy that might wind up in the hands of children! What Mensa-level kids did Hasbro playtest this thing with?

News Credits: 34 · by **Superwheeljack** » Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:59 pm

Super Megatron wrote:G1: Broadside (horrible in all modes).
G2: G1 redeco Optimus Prime (made a garish toy even worse).
Beast Wars: Injector
Machine Wars: Optimus Prime (SentinelA got this one right).
Beast Machines: Deluxe Optimus Primal
RID: Optimus Prime (puzzleformers suck).
Alternators: Optimus Prime (robot mode looks like garbage).
Titanium: War Within Megatron
Masterpiece: Starscream (first release)
Armada: The entire line, but the Optimus Prime superbrick mode really stands out.
Energon: Optimus Prime (I can't believe SentinelA picked Shockblast over this). It's like they're having a contest between the Armada team and the Energon team to design the worst Optimus toy.
Cybertron: Highwire (but the Kicker fig compensated for this)
Classics: DVD 2-pack Optimus Prime (another one he got right).
2007 Movie: Megatron (alt mode was just lazy).
Universe: Cheetor
ROTF: Optimus Prime (leader class - too bad, the first movie toy ruled so hard).
TF: Animated: Megatron (much like 2007 movie Megatron - lazy).
Prime:Beast Hunter Optimus Prime. Holy, people, STAY AWAY from this fig.
DOTM: Optimus Prime (Look! I have wheels for sleeves!)
Generations: WFC Jazz

I noticed that Optimus Prime came out quite a lot (mainly due to design and engineering issues) on this list. I think it's because Hasbro/Takara knows that the Optimus fans/collectors/worshipers will buy an Optimus toy regardless of its shoddy quality (whether it is the design or the QC on the production of the toy itself). Too bad, because we have seen some really awesome Optimus figs in the last 10 years (2007 Movie, Masterpiece, and Cybertron)that kicks so much ass that can be felt on the moon.

Bh prime is the best optimus prime ever.
Illogical
Did you guys forget fe?
Fe: vehicon

by **Evil_the_Nub** » Wed May 01, 2013 1:00 am

Super Megatron wrote:ROTF: Optimus Prime (leader class - too bad, the first movie toy ruled so hard).

Most lines don't have any figures that stand out for being bad, so I'll just go over the one's that do.
Alternators: Skids. I've never been able to get his altmode to stay together.
Masterpiece: Megatron. It's nearly impossible to not break something while transforming it. His cannon is so oversized that it ruined the shoulder joint on mine.
Cybertron: Soundwave. Nothing stays together in altmode, and he has so much kibble in robot mode that you can't do anything with it.
Classics: Grimlock. His robot arms don't attach to anything, and he really should have been a voyager.
2007 Movie: Skorponok. Worst. Robot. Mode. Ever.
Universe: Ironhide. Awful design, nothing works in robot mode.
ROTF: Soundwave. Nothing attaches in his altmodes. It' just a loose mess of panels and robot arms.
TF: Animated: It's a tie between Swoop and voyager Megatron. Swoop's back panel won't stay attached in either mode. Megatron has a dull robot mode and a "what the hell is that?" altmode.
Prime: Airachnid, obviously.
Generations: FoC Jazz. Disproportionate and hollow robot mode

News Credits: 7 · by **Zeedust** » Wed May 01, 2013 12:08 pm

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Generations: FoC Jazz. Disproportionate and hollow robot mode

Obviously, you don't have Sideswipe. Take Jazz, and then add a gun that's too heavy for him to hold up.

by **Evil_the_Nub** » Wed May 01, 2013 2:41 pm

Nemesis Primal wrote:
Evil_the_Nub wrote:Generations: FoC Jazz. Disproportionate and hollow robot mode

Obviously, you don't have Sideswipe. Take Jazz, and then add a gun that's too heavy for him to hold up.

At least with Sideswipe I could give hid BFG to another figure like I did with Ultra Magnus' BFS. Jazz just comes with a dinky little pea shooter.

News Credits: 95 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Wed May 01, 2013 3:08 pm

Evil_the_Nub wrote:
Nemesis Primal wrote:
Evil_the_Nub wrote:Generations: FoC Jazz. Disproportionate and hollow robot mode

Obviously, you don't have Sideswipe. Take Jazz, and then add a gun that's too heavy for him to hold up.

At least with Sideswipe I could give hid BFG to another figure like I did with Ultra Magnus' BFS. Jazz just comes with a dinky little pea shooter.

The funniest thing is that gun is advertised on the packaging with a BIG and FLASHY "COME WITH THE GUN!!!!!" Remember when we said that the reduced sizes of the figures in DotM were due to the Mechtech weapons?
FOC Jazz hit the bottom of the barrel by being the most tiny and hollow deluxe ever... the the gun he came with is one of the tiniest ever too. I wonder if FOC Jazz was a way for Hasbro to test how far they can be cheap until people cry "bullshit"?

Still, FOC Jazz is not a bad figure by himself. He just feel really very cheap.

News Credits: 7 · by **Zeedust** » Wed May 01, 2013 3:32 pm

Evil_the_Nub wrote:
Nemesis Primal wrote:
Evil_the_Nub wrote:Generations: FoC Jazz. Disproportionate and hollow robot mode

Obviously, you don't have Sideswipe. Take Jazz, and then add a gun that's too heavy for him to hold up.

At least with Sideswipe I could give hid BFG to another figure like I did with Ultra Magnus' BFS. Jazz just comes with a dinky little pea shooter.

In my delusional world, toys should at least have the option of going with the weapon they come with. Thus, to me, Sideswipe is worse than Jazz. Well, that, and his weird eyes. Would it have killed them to paint those things?

That said, neither is as bad as the FoC Ravage/Steeljaw mold. A gappy mess hindered by a gimmick that doesn't really work. Also, no aticulation, but that's essentially true of all the Data Disc guys, so I'll let that part slide.

News Credits: 4 · by **craggy** » Wed May 01, 2013 4:38 pm

I was okay with getting Sideswipe over Jazz. Looks nicer, comes with a BFG. Admittedly, I am still considering trying to get a squarer head for him and painting it red, to use him as Lightspeed, but still, at least he doesn't look like a ghost like see-thru Jazz.