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Rodimus Prime wrote:Not the best in the series, but I liked it for what it was. I liked that it was set in the 60s (the same time humans were discovering TFs on the moon ) and the elaboration on Magneto's development. The best thing was, of course, Wolverine's scene, and my biggest gripe was Sebastian Shaw. Not Kevin bacon, he was awesome like he is in everything else, but I am a fan of the Dark Phoenix comic story, and Sebastian Shaw is NOT what he was portrayed as in the movie. Doesn't look like that or act like that. It's kind of a sticking point with me, because I am fond of him as a villain. I'll get over it. Overall, good summer fun, hell of a lot better than Thor.

Shaw didn't bother me that much. I can see your point about differences though. In comics, Shaw played the bigot while pushing his own agenda for power rather than racial rights or human extermination. Not to mention he never had a kinetic energy redirection power. Seemed more Gambit than Shaw but whatever works. At least they made a nod to the Hellfire club, albeit a conciliatory one.

And Thor was great!

The Happy Locust wrote:
Shaw didn't bother me that much. I can see your point about differences though. In comics, Shaw played the bigot while pushing his own agenda for power rather than racial rights or human extermination. Not to mention he never had a kinetic energy redirection power. Seemed more Gambit than Shaw but whatever works. At least they made a nod to the Hellfire club, albeit a conciliatory one.

Yeah, exactly. His abilities were different, and he looked different. In the comics he was kinda short and stocky like Wolverine (and even had his hairstyle, IIRC) and his abilities included increasing a particular person's or object's weight to near infinity.

And Thor was great!

To each his own, I guess. I thought that other than Anthony Hopkins's great performance, it was kinda boring with some comedy sprinkled around. The end was alright action-wise, but it's nowhere near at the top of this year's list for me, nor is it high on my Marvel list. Then again, I saw it as a general movie-goer, because other than the Secret Wars, I never got into his comics story.

Starscream GaGa wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Burn wrote:The only high point for me was Hugh Jackman's brief appearance.

I love that scene!!

But as far as a "prequel" I don't know.. It kind of kills some of the things that have been established as well as screwing the "Wolverine origins" movie..

No one seems to know if this is a prequel, reboot or some kind of re-imagining using some of the elements from the other movies (ravens look, etc..)

It was James Bondish and fun though.

*edit*
It actually seems like a reboot to me..

I think, considering it had the exact same first scenes as the first movie, it can be considered a prequel to at least X-Men and X2.

I think its possible that the writers acknowledged the first two movies as the movies that are generally loved, while Wolverine and X-Men 3 are both generally disliked and (in X-Men 3s case) widely regarded as having suffered from dodgy writing and decided to roll with it. There are no inconsistencies between this and the first two movies.

Wolverine and X-Men 3 however just are 100% incompatible. Emma Frost is completely different in First Class, Xavier and Magneto's situation makes the starting of X-Men 3 impossible, Xavier's cameo in Wolverine could not have happened, Scott Summers was seen during the Cerebro search at an age that cannot work with his age in Wolverine Origins, etc.

Inconsistencies were very much evident in the 1st movie, when they are showing Scott and Jean as part of the 1st class. The new movie is stupid as the characters are crap. How can Havok and Scott be brothers when Havok is about 16 in 1967 and Cyclops is about 15 in Wolverine which is set decades later? The fact that they actually picked Angel Salvatore as a character in the film is ridicious. Her character sucks. As does Darwin. I can think of many other X-men that they could have used over those flakes. The new movie is a rental at best.


Anyone who thinks First Class is better than Wolverine is off their meds.....

gambit020480 wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Burn wrote:The only high point for me was Hugh Jackman's brief appearance.

I love that scene!!

But as far as a "prequel" I don't know.. It kind of kills some of the things that have been established as well as screwing the "Wolverine origins" movie..

No one seems to know if this is a prequel, reboot or some kind of re-imagining using some of the elements from the other movies (ravens look, etc..)

It was James Bondish and fun though.

*edit*
It actually seems like a reboot to me..

I think, considering it had the exact same first scenes as the first movie, it can be considered a prequel to at least X-Men and X2.

I think its possible that the writers acknowledged the first two movies as the movies that are generally loved, while Wolverine and X-Men 3 are both generally disliked and (in X-Men 3s case) widely regarded as having suffered from dodgy writing and decided to roll with it. There are no inconsistencies between this and the first two movies.

Wolverine and X-Men 3 however just are 100% incompatible. Emma Frost is completely different in First Class, Xavier and Magneto's situation makes the starting of X-Men 3 impossible, Xavier's cameo in Wolverine could not have happened, Scott Summers was seen during the Cerebro search at an age that cannot work with his age in Wolverine Origins, etc.

Inconsistencies were very much evident in the 1st movie, when they are showing Scott and Jean as part of the 1st class. The new movie is stupid as the characters are crap. How can Havok and Scott be brothers when Havok is about 16 in 1967 and Cyclops is about 15 in Wolverine which is set decades later? The fact that they actually picked Angel Salvatore as a character in the film is ridicious. Her character sucks. As does Darwin. I can think of many other X-men that they could have used over those flakes. The new movie is a rental at best.


Anyone who thinks First Class is better than Wolverine is off their meds.....

I've been off them for a while now.

OFF MY MEDS

IM CRAZY

gambit020480 wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Burn wrote:The only high point for me was Hugh Jackman's brief appearance.

I love that scene!!

But as far as a "prequel" I don't know.. It kind of kills some of the things that have been established as well as screwing the "Wolverine origins" movie..

No one seems to know if this is a prequel, reboot or some kind of re-imagining using some of the elements from the other movies (ravens look, etc..)

It was James Bondish and fun though.

*edit*
It actually seems like a reboot to me..

I think, considering it had the exact same first scenes as the first movie, it can be considered a prequel to at least X-Men and X2.

I think its possible that the writers acknowledged the first two movies as the movies that are generally loved, while Wolverine and X-Men 3 are both generally disliked and (in X-Men 3s case) widely regarded as having suffered from dodgy writing and decided to roll with it. There are no inconsistencies between this and the first two movies.

Wolverine and X-Men 3 however just are 100% incompatible. Emma Frost is completely different in First Class, Xavier and Magneto's situation makes the starting of X-Men 3 impossible, Xavier's cameo in Wolverine could not have happened, Scott Summers was seen during the Cerebro search at an age that cannot work with his age in Wolverine Origins, etc.

Inconsistencies were very much evident in the 1st movie, when they are showing Scott and Jean as part of the 1st class. The new movie is stupid as the characters are crap. How can Havok and Scott be brothers when Havok is about 16 in 1967 and Cyclops is about 15 in Wolverine which is set decades later? The fact that they actually picked Angel Salvatore as a character in the film is ridicious. Her character sucks. As does Darwin. I can think of many other X-men that they could have used over those flakes. The new movie is a rental at best.


Anyone who thinks First Class is better than Wolverine is off their meds.....

I think its better than Wolverine. Mind you I own all 4 movies on DVD or Blue Ray and am planning to get this one on Blue Ray when its released.

Scott and Jean are part of the first class in Xavier's School. At the time o this movie, Xavier;s house is still not set up as an institute, and yes in the comics both Scott and Jean are part of the original X-Men team, so that is in fact very consistent.


Obviously Havok is no longer his brother, as I said before it looks like they may turn him into his father or maybe some other relative.

So they change it around a bit, that does not mean the movie is bad. Just that it doesn't follow the comics as strictly as it could have, but what movie does? Yes Angel and Darwin are weird choices, but they really don't detract from the movie at all. Darwin is killed almost immediately after being introduced, and Angel barely says anything the entire movie.

Personally I think Shaw worked fine, sure I don't know much about him, but I think his powers make sense in the movie's setting, and his usage of them. I saw no real issue with them.

Now if you are going to complain about Havok and Cyclops, perhaps you could also look at Origins: Wolverine an complain about the fact Sabertooth has never been Wolverine's brother, it has been said he could be his father at some point, but never his brother in the comics.

Also Emma Frost in that movie is Silverfox's sister? when did that happen in the comics, and SilverFox's powers aren't remotely what they show in the movie.

So if anything Wolverine is less accurate than this one.

Two complaints about it.

1) Beast's makeup was horrible. He didn't look real enough to be believable. Bring back Kelsey Grammar.

2) The actor's weren't allowed to use accents. Moira is a Scottish character w/ no Scottish accent. Professor X w/out the voicing of Patrick Stewart? Bleh. The list can go on but those are the two most obvious.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, exactly. His abilities were different, and he looked different. In the comics he was kinda short and stocky like Wolverine (and even had his hairstyle, IIRC) and his abilities included increasing a particular person's or object's weight to near infinity.

You seem to have Shaw confused with Leyland, a different member of the Hellfire Club whose powers were gravity control. Shaw has more or less the same abilities as he does in the comics, he can just do a lot cooler things with them.

Like, for example, Comic Shaw just got a physical strength increase and wouldn't be able to push the energy back into people.

Starscream GaGa wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, exactly. His abilities were different, and he looked different. In the comics he was kinda short and stocky like Wolverine (and even had his hairstyle, IIRC) and his abilities included increasing a particular person's or object's weight to near infinity.

You seem to have Shaw confused with Leyland, a different member of the Hellfire Club whose powers were gravity control. Shaw has more or less the same abilities as he does in the comics, he can just do a lot cooler things with them.

Like, for example, Comic Shaw just got a physical strength increase and wouldn't be able to push the energy back into people.

I think you're right, I might have confused the two. If so, I apologize, it's been a while since I've read the comic story.

And I thought Wolverine was better than First Class, not counting the Deadpool fail at the end.

gambit020480 wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:I think, considering it had the exact same first scenes as the first movie, it can be considered a prequel to at least X-Men and X2.

I think its possible that the writers acknowledged the first two movies as the movies that are generally loved, while Wolverine and X-Men 3 are both generally disliked and (in X-Men 3s case) widely regarded as having suffered from dodgy writing and decided to roll with it. There are no inconsistencies between this and the first two movies.

Wolverine and X-Men 3 however just are 100% incompatible. Emma Frost is completely different in First Class, Xavier and Magneto's situation makes the starting of X-Men 3 impossible, Xavier's cameo in Wolverine could not have happened, Scott Summers was seen during the Cerebro search at an age that cannot work with his age in Wolverine Origins, etc.

Inconsistencies were very much evident in the 1st movie, when they are showing Scott and Jean as part of the 1st class. The new movie is stupid as the characters are crap. How can Havok and Scott be brothers when Havok is about 16 in 1967 and Cyclops is about 15 in Wolverine which is set decades later? The fact that they actually picked Angel Salvatore as a character in the film is ridicious. Her character sucks. As does Darwin. I can think of many other X-men that they could have used over those flakes. The new movie is a rental at best.


Anyone who thinks First Class is better than Wolverine is off their meds.....

I must be off my meds then. As are like every critic in existence.

And I don't recall it EVER saying Cyclops and Jean were his first students, it was just assumed as they were the ones seen in the movie. I also think hating on them for choosing Angel and Darwin as characters is very good. I mean, Wolverine chose John Wraith and Bolt for characters, that's pretty obsolete right there. The movie's just like toying with new things and I think both Darwin and Angel were better then their comic counterparts.