Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale

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Thanks to the Transformers Masterpiece Collectors Group, we now have even more images of the upcoming Masterpiece Optimus Primal. These 4 new images include a shot showing the scale with generations Rhinox and Rattrap, confirming his size, a picture showing his robot-to-beast mode head transformation, and several accessories and gimmicks.

Fellow member Sabrblade had this to add:

To reiterate some of the previous notions given by this issue of Hyper Hobby, in case anyone missed them, the figure is MP-31, will have four robot faces and three beast faces, the swords are too big to store inside his body but can instead be stored on his back somehow, and the height of the figure is 19cm or roughly 7.5 inches, making it about a head taller than Generations Rhinox.

These new images exciting? Thinking of taking the plunge on the Boss Monkey yet? Let us know in the comments section below and stay tuned for even more news and updates!

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Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762559)
Posted by Sabrblade on February 3rd, 2016 @ 2:31pm CST

To reiterate some of the previous notions given by this issue of Hyper Hobby, in case anyone missed them, the figure is MP-31, will have four robot faces and three beast faces, the swords are too big to store inside his body but can instead be stored on his back somehow, and the height of the figure is 19cm or roughly 7.5 inches, making it about a head taller than Generations Rhinox.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762560)
Posted by DecepticonFinishline on February 3rd, 2016 @ 2:31pm CST

Please please please come with mutated-bat-mask-thing!

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762562)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on February 3rd, 2016 @ 2:32pm CST

DecepticonFinishline wrote:Please please please come with mutated-bat-mask-thing!

I'm pretty sure it was said that it would not come with the mutant head.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762565)
Posted by galvatron00 on February 3rd, 2016 @ 2:38pm CST

MP31?! And here I thought they were going to be their own range, similar to the Bayverse "MPs" that came out a few years ago.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762566)
Posted by frogbat on February 3rd, 2016 @ 2:39pm CST

im kinda digging him. It's not my main area of collecting (g1) but i loved the show and have a few of the generations BW figures. I have more connection with this than with star sabre and though I wish there to be more more g1 MP output, I don't see this as taker branching fully into BW. I just hope that they do a megatron too. I don't like having a character without his counterpart

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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on February 3rd, 2016 @ 2:40pm CST

Sabrblade wrote:To reiterate some of the previous notions given by this issue of Hyper Hobby, in case anyone missed them, the figure is MP-31, will have four robot faces and three beast faces, the swords are too big to store inside his body but can instead be stored on his back somehow, and the height of the figure is 19cm or roughly 7.5 inches, making it about a head taller than Generations Rhinox.

Thanks for the roundup Sabr! I updated the news story with all this information

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762570)
Posted by Deathsaurus1 on February 3rd, 2016 @ 2:50pm CST

Best prediction on a release date?

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762572)
Posted by Sabrblade on February 3rd, 2016 @ 3:07pm CST

Deathsaurus1 wrote:Best prediction on a release date?

Sometime this year.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762577)
Posted by shajaki on February 3rd, 2016 @ 3:24pm CST

Those swords look wiiiicked 8-)

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Posted by william-james88 on February 3rd, 2016 @ 3:36pm CST

frogbat wrote:im kinda digging him. It's not my main area of collecting (g1) but i loved the show and have a few of the generations BW figures. I have more connection with this than with star sabre and though I wish there to be more more g1 MP output, I don't see this as taker branching fully into BW. I just hope that they do a megatron too. I don't like having a character without his counterpart

This isnt first for the MP line. Starsabr doesnt have a counterpart and wasnt part of the Sunbow cartoon we got. We call it G1, but its another era entirely that has it's own name Victory.
And plus, they had both Roadrage and Exhaust which are not original G1 characters either. The MP line was never about a particular era of transformers and its been loosey goosey in what it includes.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762596)
Posted by CaptainMagic on February 3rd, 2016 @ 4:07pm CST

I love that head transformation. I always liked action figures that could flip their heads around like that, and it seems delightfully 90s to me (although that's probably just because that's when I paid attention to action figures).

The only problem is the smiling faces. They look accurate enough, but they're CREEPY. Like, worry where he is in the middle of the night kind of creepy. If I ever got him, and I really want him, I would absolutely hide him in random places with those smiles and wait for people to notice.

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Posted by william-james88 on February 3rd, 2016 @ 4:11pm CST

CaptainMagic wrote:I love that head transformation. I always liked action figures that could flip their heads around like that, and it seems delightfully 90s to me (although that's probably just because that's when I paid attention to action figures).

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762600)
Posted by Microraptor on February 3rd, 2016 @ 4:11pm CST

william-james88 wrote:
frogbat wrote:im kinda digging him. It's not my main area of collecting (g1) but i loved the show and have a few of the generations BW figures. I have more connection with this than with star sabre and though I wish there to be more more g1 MP output, I don't see this as taker branching fully into BW. I just hope that they do a megatron too. I don't like having a character without his counterpart

This isnt first for the MP line. Starsabr doesnt have a counterpart and wasnt part of the Sunbow cartoon we got. We call it G1, but its another era entirely that has it's own name Victory.
And plus, they had both Roadrage and Exhaust which are not original G1 characters either. The MP line was never about a particular era of transformers and its been loosey goosey in what it includes.

Umm....you guys do realize BW is G1 right?

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762603)
Posted by CaptainMagic on February 3rd, 2016 @ 4:18pm CST

william-james88 wrote:
CaptainMagic wrote:I love that head transformation. I always liked action figures that could flip their heads around like that, and it seems delightfully 90s to me (although that's probably just because that's when I paid attention to action figures).

Yes, that. Those toys fascinated me as a kid. I would spend forever just flipping the heads around because it was so weird looking. I seem to remember a friend of mine had a bunch of Power Rangers ones that he would get mad at me for leaving with all of their heads stuck half-way flipped.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762606)
Posted by Deathsaurus1 on February 3rd, 2016 @ 4:24pm CST

Sabrblade wrote:
Deathsaurus1 wrote:Best prediction on a release date?
Sometime this year.

Lol I hope.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762611)
Posted by william-james88 on February 3rd, 2016 @ 4:32pm CST

CaptainMagic wrote:
Yes, that. Those toys fascinated me as a kid. I would spend forever just flipping the heads around because it was so weird looking. I seem to remember a friend of mine had a bunch of Power Rangers ones that he would get mad at me for leaving with all of their heads stuck half-way flipped.

I really hope no one gets too peeved off that I am going off tangent about changing heads but this si a story I thought I would have no place to tell again (and that I just remembered). As a kid, my favourite toys were the ones that had a cool gimmick. Beast Wars toys going from beasts to robots was the best thing ever and that was always what I asked for on christmas and my birthday. I did spot this box once at toysrus and the bottom really impressed me:

It looked like he could change heads and turn from a power ranger into a T-Rex :michaelbay:

So I asked my mom to read to make sure that's what it was. She read the marking below and confirmed that yeah, this guy should at least change his head into a T-Rex. I had transformers, so I knew you could do cool stuff with changing heads and modes but I didnt see how you could do it with such a humanoid toy. So we asked the clerk and I was hopeful. The clerk didnt know, so they decided to look into it with me and we opened the box together to see if the toy could indeed turn from a power ranger into a T-Rex like the box indicated at the bottom. It was full of suspense and I remember it well. When everything was removed I turned the toy around to see what kind fo mechanism this ingenius toy must have only to realize he had nothing going on. There was no gimick, it was just the red ranger.

What crappy misleading boxart. I never made the mistake again of even thinking of buying a power ranger toy and just stuck to Beast Wars :lol:

But seriously, what kind of souless company would have such awesome misleading boxart. Maybe they thought no one would beleive it could turn into a T-Rex, but it wasnt obvious to me (I was 9), my mom or the TRU clerks.

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Posted by hinomars19 on February 3rd, 2016 @ 4:58pm CST

william-james88 wrote:
CaptainMagic wrote:
Yes, that. Those toys fascinated me as a kid. I would spend forever just flipping the heads around because it was so weird looking. I seem to remember a friend of mine had a bunch of Power Rangers ones that he would get mad at me for leaving with all of their heads stuck half-way flipped.

I really hope no one gets too peeved off that I am going off tangent about changing heads but this si a story I thought I would have no place to tell again (and that I just remembered). As a kid, my favourite toys were the ones that had a cool gimmick. Beast Wars toys going from beasts to robots was the best thing ever and that was always what I asked for on christmas and my birthday. I did spot this box once at toysrus and the bottom really impressed me:

It looked like he could change heads and turn from a power ranger into a T-Rex So I asked my mom to read to make sure that's what it was. She read the marking below and confirmed that yeah, this guy should at least change his head into a T-Rex. I had transformers, so I knew you could do cool stuff with changing heads and modes but I didnt see how you could do it with such a humanoid toy. So we asked the clerk and I was hopeful. The clerk didnt know, so they decided to look into it with me and we opened the box together to see if the toy could indeed turn from a power ranger into a T-Rex like the box indicated at the bottom. It was full of suspense and I remember it well. When everything was removed I turned the toy around to see what kind fo mechanism this ingenius toy must have only to realize he had nothing going on. There was no gimick, it was just the red ranger.
What crappy misleading boxart. I never made the mistake again of even thinking of buying a power ranger toy and just stuck to Beast Wars

But seriously, what kind of souless company would have such awesome misleading boxart. Maybe they thought no one would beleive it could turn into a T-Rex, but it wasnt obvious to me (I was 9), my mom or the TRU clerks.

The company in question caught up with you eventually, Will (just, PR wasn't dinosaurs by then...)

I am loving Boss Monkey. I'm not one to be 'snobby' but this does feel like a 'Masterpiece' This is what MP toys were before TT confused it for a near main line of toys! There is so much detail and work gone into this. And it shows. Ironhide, Magnus, Hot Rod2.0...they seem so flat and belted out.

I wish the MP line was 1-2 GOOD new molds a year, maximum, again.

Shame about the robo legs at the back...but this guy has achieved so much else.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762645)
Posted by shajaki on February 3rd, 2016 @ 5:41pm CST

Microraptor wrote:Umm....you guys do realize BW is G1 right?

Not technically... ask Sabreblade.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762653)
Posted by Insurgent on February 3rd, 2016 @ 6:11pm CST

Microraptor wrote:Umm....you guys do realize BW is G1 right?

No. No it's not. G1 ended in 91/92, when G2 started. Beast Wars is part of the Beast Era. It's like Transformers: The Next Generation. Saying it's G1 is like saying Picard is the same as Kirk. Same continuity, but different times/eras.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762655)
Posted by fenrir72 on February 3rd, 2016 @ 6:13pm CST

I don't like battery powered gimmicks and not too in to BW but I AM getting this mechahominid :BOWDOWN:

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762690)
Posted by No One on February 3rd, 2016 @ 7:33pm CST

MAJOR robot parts on the gorilla mode feet, no sword storage, the beast mode head doesn't become the chest, and less weapons. I am sorry but this is a step back words from the original figure. I would rather they have taken the BW Primal and just cosmetically updated that, hidden all the slight robot parts, and taken out the beating cheat gimmick, then call it a day.

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Posted by Ironhidensh on February 3rd, 2016 @ 7:58pm CST

Insurgent wrote:
Microraptor wrote:Umm....you guys do realize BW is G1 right?

No. No it's not. G1 ended in 91/92, when G2 started. Beast Wars is part of the Beast Era. It's like Transformers: The Next Generation. Saying it's G1 is like saying Picard is the same as Kirk. Same continuity, but different times/eras.

This is probably the simplest, yet best explanation I've ever seen on this subject. And I've seen and given many.

I raise a cold beer to you, sir!

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Posted by william-james88 on February 3rd, 2016 @ 8:00pm CST

MR Optimus Prime wrote:MAJOR robot parts on the gorilla mode feet, no sword storage, the beast mode head doesn't become the chest, and less weapons. I am sorry but this is a step back words from the original figure. I would rather they have taken the BW Primal and just cosmetically updated that, hidden all the slight robot parts, and taken out the beating cheat gimmick, then call it a day.

But they already did that with the telemocha one so there is no point in doing it again for the MP. You can still buy it right here and be done for the day https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.ca%2Fitm%2FTransformers-Leg%20...%20SwBahVR1K0%3C%2Fa%3E%3F (its cheaper too and scales with Gen Rhinox!)

So since we already have what you want, they decided to give us something totally new.

- The Beast mode can now stand up like he did the majority of the time.
- The Gorilla head is of a MUCH better proportion and actually looks like the show model unlike any previous incarnation.
- He has wrist pistols in both hands and they dont flip out leaving his forearms looking like they just exploded.
- More articulation everywhere! (especially the wrists/hands)
- Both the mouth and faceplate for robot
- Better proportions in robot mode
- A totally new transformation scheme to make up for the better beast mode proportions
- Less robot mode showing in beast mode, and none of those big empty lines cutting across the beast chest.

This is a step up in almost everyway and he will look more show accurate in both modes than ever before. That is what MP is all about!

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762697)
Posted by Ballistic90 on February 3rd, 2016 @ 8:05pm CST

I want this thing so much. I was hoping mt wife or i would have been making more money by the time this came that i could afford to splurge, but no such luck. I've always wanted the original Optimus Primal ape figure as a child. I had the bat one.

*sigh* My son will always come first though. Kids be expensive.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762700)
Posted by william-james88 on February 3rd, 2016 @ 8:09pm CST

Ballistic90 wrote:I want this thing so much. I was hoping mt wife or i would have been making more money by the time this came that i could afford to splurge, but no such luck. I've always wanted the original Optimus Primal ape figure as a child. I had the bat one.

*sigh* My son will always come first though. Kids be expensive.

If you are planning on having more than one, go with cloth diapers, they save you a nice little sum of money! That's how I can still afford to buy these toys

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762701)
Posted by No One on February 3rd, 2016 @ 8:12pm CST

william-james88 wrote:
MR Optimus Prime wrote:MAJOR robot parts on the gorilla mode feet, no sword storage, the beast mode head doesn't become the chest, and less weapons. I am sorry but this is a step back words from the original figure. I would rather they have taken the BW Primal and just cosmetically updated that, hidden all the slight robot parts, and taken out the beating cheat gimmick, then call it a day.

But they already did that with the telemocha one so there is no point in doing it again for the MP. You can still buy it right here and be done for the day https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.ca%2Fitm%2FTransformers-Leg%20...%20SwBahVR1K0%3C%2Fa%3E%3F (its cheaper too and scales with Gen Rhinox!)

So since we already have what you want, they decided to give us something totally new.

- The Beast mode can now stand up like he did the majority of the time.
- The Gorilla head is of a MUCH better proportion and actually looks like the show model unlike any previous incarnation.
- He has wrist pistols in both hands and they dont flip out leaving his forearms looking like they just exploded.
- More articulation everywhere! (especially the wrists/hands)
- Both the mouth and faceplate for robot
- Better proportions in robot mode
- A totally new transformation scheme to make up for the better beast mode proportions
- Less robot mode showing in beast mode, and none of those big empty lines cutting across the beast chest.

This is a step up in almost everyway and he will look more show accurate in both modes than ever before. That is what MP is all about!

Sorry bud, but I am not calling a crap figure a MP just because everyone else likes it. This gorilla mode is just not acceptable.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762703)
Posted by william-james88 on February 3rd, 2016 @ 8:17pm CST

MR Optimus Prime wrote:Sorry bud, but I am not calling a crap figure a MP just because everyone else likes it. This gorilla mode is just not acceptable.

Thats your opinion and its cool. But objectively the original Ultra toy's gorilla mode looks nothing like the show model. Food for thought.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762713)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on February 3rd, 2016 @ 8:23pm CST

MR Optimus Prime wrote:Sorry bud, but I am not calling a crap figure a MP just because everyone else likes it. This gorilla mode is just not acceptable.

It's cartoon accurate - from a line that puts cartoon accuracy as the highest priority - even if it's to the detriment of the figure; Besides, like the ultra class one had that great of a gorilla mode :roll:

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762728)
Posted by galvatron00 on February 3rd, 2016 @ 8:46pm CST

Ironhidensh wrote:
Insurgent wrote:
Microraptor wrote:Umm....you guys do realize BW is G1 right?
No. No it's not. G1 ended in 91/92, when G2 started. Beast Wars is part of the Beast Era. It's like Transformers: The Next Generation. Saying it's G1 is like saying Picard is the same as Kirk. Same continuity, but different times/eras.
This is probably the simplest, yet best explanation I've ever seen on this subject. And I've seen and given many.

I raise a cold beer to you, sir!

I completely agree Ironhidensh, that's remarkably straight forward!! :APPLAUSE:

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762732)
Posted by galvatron00 on February 3rd, 2016 @ 8:53pm CST

Ballistic90 wrote:I want this thing so much. I was hoping mt wife or i would have been making more money by the time this came that i could afford to splurge, but no such luck. I've always wanted the original Optimus Primal ape figure as a child. I had the bat one.

*sigh* My son will always come first though. Kids be expensive.

You've got MONTHS to save, try your best and pre-order from one of the reputable Japanese import sites (when it's available) to save some coin!

Don't forget to buy a non-MP one for your son too ;)^

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Posted by Sabrblade on February 3rd, 2016 @ 9:01pm CST

william-james88 wrote:This isnt first for the MP line. Starsabr doesnt have a counterpart and wasnt part of the Sunbow cartoon we got. We call it G1, but its another era entirely that has it's own name Victory.

Microraptor wrote:Umm....you guys do realize BW is G1 right?

shajaki wrote:
Microraptor wrote:Umm....you guys do realize BW is G1 right?
Not technically... ask Sabreblade.

Insurgent wrote:
Microraptor wrote:Umm....you guys do realize BW is G1 right?

No. No it's not. G1 ended in 91/92, when G2 started. Beast Wars is part of the Beast Era. It's like Transformers: The Next Generation. Saying it's G1 is like saying Picard is the same as Kirk. Same continuity, but different times/eras.

Oh, how I wish we had more than one term to refer to all the different things that the term "G1" can refer to. #-o

Alright, I'll run through these one at a time, I guess...

* While Victory is indeed a separate cartoon series from the original one called "The Transformers" (which was split into two separate cartoon series in Japan), Victory is also considered to be a "Japanese G1 cartoon" in the sense of "G1" in that case referring to the greater continuity that all the Japanese TF cartoons of that era, the 1980s, were a part of. Not to mention that the Japanese toyline technically kept the same original logo on all TF toys from 1985 to 1992, branding them under the same label despite including toys from different cartoon series.

* Beast Wars was its own franchise separate from the "G1 franchise" (as in, "the 1984-1992 Transformers franchise"), but its fiction is set within "G1" (as in "Primax") continuities. So it's not a G1 franchise or a G1 toyline, but is a subset of G1 continuities.

* And... huh, I guess I knocked out all three of the last ones with that second point. Fancy that.

If only the word "Primax" was more ubiquitous.

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Posted by Ballistic90 on February 3rd, 2016 @ 9:04pm CST

itscramtastic wrote:
Ballistic90 wrote:I want this thing so much. I was hoping mt wife or i would have been making more money by the time this came that i could afford to splurge, but no such luck. I've always wanted the original Optimus Primal ape figure as a child. I had the bat one.

*sigh* My son will always come first though. Kids be expensive.
You've got MONTHS to save, try your best and pre-order from one of the reputable Japanese import sites (when it's available) to save some coin!

Don't forget to buy a non-MP one for your son too

Im not much for buying the Japanese figures, just because i cant justify spending so much. My son is only 22 months old, so while i may consider a Rescue Bot for him, i will not consider anything more complex for a while.

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Posted by galvatron00 on February 3rd, 2016 @ 9:05pm CST

Sabrblade wrote:Sabrblade speaks, and explains all.

I honestly forgot about the whole "Primax" thing.

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Posted by Overcracker on February 3rd, 2016 @ 9:10pm CST

MR Optimus Prime wrote:MAJOR robot parts on the gorilla mode feet, no sword storage, the beast mode head doesn't become the chest, and less weapons. I am sorry but this is a step back words from the original figure. I would rather they have taken the BW Primal and just cosmetically updated that, hidden all the slight robot parts, and taken out the beating cheat gimmick, then call it a day.

I disagree. Yes it has some issues. and yes it does some things better than the original, and some worst. but by no means is it a crappy figure.

It has a few exposed bits on the gorilla feet, physical dimensions of the legs make this inevitable.

Sword Storage is really unnecessary. CGI can magically produce the swords from nowhere. A physical figure needs actual space for them, and the swords this figure has are huge. The swords of the original while nice and quite small, so they fit pegged in on the sides of the back section. These swords are almost as long as his torso, no real place to put them, and no real need to store them on him in beast mode anyway.

the beast mode head doesn't become the chest

Why is this a requirement? The CGI did not do this. It just made the head disappear into the torso. The toy had to do this to produce the robot mode chest piece from somewhere. But its not really a thing from the show.

and less weapons

Which ones? So far it has the shoulder guns, the arm guns and the swords. The only thing missing is the skull mace, and that was never a thing in the show. But just because we have not seen it in these shots does not mean its not there as an accessory.

All in all, I think its better to get an entirely new mold that does things differently, than just repainting the same one over and over. And at least this one will not have the chest punching / sword spinning gimmick which has no become stuck in chest punching mode on mine. Thats a checkmark in the improvement column for me. I also love the light up eyes.

Its fine if you don't like it. but a crappy figure it is not.

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Posted by galvatron00 on February 3rd, 2016 @ 9:11pm CST

Ballistic90 wrote:
itscramtastic wrote:
Ballistic90 wrote:I want this thing so much. I was hoping mt wife or i would have been making more money by the time this came that i could afford to splurge, but no such luck. I've always wanted the original Optimus Primal ape figure as a child. I had the bat one.

*sigh* My son will always come first though. Kids be expensive.
You've got MONTHS to save, try your best and pre-order from one of the reputable Japanese import sites (when it's available) to save some coin!

Don't forget to buy a non-MP one for your son too
Im not much for buying the Japanese figures, just because i cant justify spending so much. My son is only 22 months old, so while i may consider a Rescue Bot for him, i will not consider anything more complex for a while.

Ah, just trying to help a fellow TF parent. ;)^

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Posted by william-james88 on February 3rd, 2016 @ 9:22pm CST

via Imgflip Meme Maker

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Posted by Overcracker on February 3rd, 2016 @ 10:02pm CST

william-james88 wrote:via Imgflip Meme Maker

LOL!

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762788)
Posted by galvatron00 on February 3rd, 2016 @ 10:05pm CST

I may have gone with, "Like it you do not, fine that is.." :lol:

Great job though..now stop referencing Star Wars and go watch Spaceballs!! :lol:

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Posted by Insurgent on February 4th, 2016 @ 3:57am CST

Thanks Ironhidensh and itscramtastic. It's how I've always described it, I'm surprised no one else has before.

Sabrblade wrote:
Insurgent wrote:
Microraptor wrote:Umm....you guys do realize BW is G1 right?

No. No it's not. G1 ended in 91/92, when G2 started. Beast Wars is part of the Beast Era. It's like Transformers: The Next Generation. Saying it's G1 is like saying Picard is the same as Kirk. Same continuity, but different times/eras.

Oh, how I wish we had more than one term to refer to all the different things that the term "G1" can refer to.

Alright, I'll run through these one at a time, I guess...

* Beast Wars was its own franchise separate from the "G1 franchise" (as in, "the 1984-1992 Transformers franchise"), but its fiction is set within "G1" (as in "Primax") continuities. So it's not a G1 franchise or a G1 toyline, but is a subset of G1 continuities.

* And... huh, I guess I knocked out all three of the last ones with that second point. Fancy that.

If only the word "Primax" was more ubiquitous.

Errr.... yeah. That's what I said. So what's the issue with what I said? :MR-T:

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762853)
Posted by Zeedust on February 4th, 2016 @ 4:04am CST

william-james88 wrote:
MR Optimus Prime wrote:MAJOR robot parts on the gorilla mode feet, no sword storage, the beast mode head doesn't become the chest, and less weapons. I am sorry but this is a step back words from the original figure. I would rather they have taken the BW Primal and just cosmetically updated that, hidden all the slight robot parts, and taken out the beating cheat gimmick, then call it a day.

But they already did that with the telemocha one so there is no point in doing it again for the MP. You can still buy it right here and be done for the day https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.ca%2Fitm%2FTransformers-Leg%20...%20SwBahVR1K0%3C%2Fa%3E%3F (its cheaper too and scales with Gen Rhinox!)

So since we already have what you want, they decided to give us something totally new.

- The Beast mode can now stand up like he did the majority of the time.
- The Gorilla head is of a MUCH better proportion and actually looks like the show model unlike any previous incarnation.
- He has wrist pistols in both hands and they dont flip out leaving his forearms looking like they just exploded.
- More articulation everywhere! (especially the wrists/hands)
- Both the mouth and faceplate for robot
- Better proportions in robot mode
- A totally new transformation scheme to make up for the better beast mode proportions
- Less robot mode showing in beast mode, and none of those big empty lines cutting across the beast chest.

This is a step up in almost everyway and he will look more show accurate in both modes than ever before. That is what MP is all about!

I'm slightly disappointed that it's not as self-contained as the original, but it's not that big a deal. And yeah, everything else is spectacular.

I hope we get Masterpiece versions of more of the Beast Wars cast. Dinobot and Blackarachnia would probably be impossible within our current understanding of physics, and Rhinox might be redundant, but there's still plenty to work with, especially if they go past the first season. Megatron is the obvious choice, of course, but I hope it doesn't end there.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762854)
Posted by No One on February 4th, 2016 @ 4:04am CST

Overcracker wrote:
MR Optimus Prime wrote:MAJOR robot parts on the gorilla mode feet, no sword storage, the beast mode head doesn't become the chest, and less weapons. I am sorry but this is a step back words from the original figure. I would rather they have taken the BW Primal and just cosmetically updated that, hidden all the slight robot parts, and taken out the beating cheat gimmick, then call it a day.

I disagree. Yes it has some issues. and yes it does some things better than the original, and some worst. but by no means is it a crappy figure.

It has a few exposed bits on the gorilla feet, physical dimensions of the legs make this inevitable.

Sword Storage is really unnecessary. CGI can magically produce the swords from nowhere. A physical figure needs actual space for them, and the swords this figure has are huge. The swords of the original while nice and quite small, so they fit pegged in on the sides of the back section. These swords are almost as long as his torso, no real place to put them, and no real need to store them on him in beast mode anyway.

the beast mode head doesn't become the chest

Why is this a requirement? The CGI did not do this. It just made the head disappear into the torso. The toy had to do this to produce the robot mode chest piece from somewhere. But its not really a thing from the show.

and less weapons

Which ones? So far it has the shoulder guns, the arm guns and the swords. The only thing missing is the skull mace, and that was never a thing in the show. But just because we have not seen it in these shots does not mean its not there as an accessory.

All in all, I think its better to get an entirely new mold that does things differently, than just repainting the same one over and over. And at least this one will not have the chest punching / sword spinning gimmick which has no become stuck in chest punching mode on mine. Thats a checkmark in the improvement column for me. I also love the light up eyes.

Its fine if you don't like it. but a crappy figure it is not.

I have to disagree. I think someone has it out for Prime by having huge robot feet hanging off the back of his G1-ish Earth modes.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762873)
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 4th, 2016 @ 6:51am CST

Minor point but prime =\= primal, completely different characters. I mean g1 prime was actually a bat in beast wars anyway. Also not all the prime toys have his feet dangling ;-)

the ones at bigger size classes do a better job.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762881)
Posted by Stumpybot on February 4th, 2016 @ 8:06am CST

william-james88 wrote:via Imgflip Meme Maker

That's brilliant

As for continuities, to me, Beast Wars is same universe as G1. G1 is a style, Beast is a style, same universe. I also consider all the Takara series to be G1 and the 'Rebirth' to be little more than a cheese dream. Head canon is a wonderful thing. Its very sad to see people feel the need to lecture others on how each series fits together when quite honestly, they really dont and should be enjoyed for what they are, a childs cartoon. And balls to this Primax stuff, heads are just disappearing up backsides when you bring that into things.

As for the figure, it was designed by somebody that studied the design, works with the company and has more talent for what they do than any of us, its accurate as it needs to be and until we have it in hand, it is neither crappy nor great, its a toy you dont know enough about to judge. And if you DO judge it, it is a hollow and irrelevant opinion at this point, but by all means continue.

As for affording it, I dont know exchange rates but I expect this to be £50. I am currently unemployed and rent an apartment, even I could raise the cash for this by release. Sell an old toy, put a few coins in a jar every week, the options are limitless.

Sorry for ranting, its just I read these forums way too much for my own good and sometimes I really disagree with the sentiment spewed forth by some people.

Either way, I'm ordering this immediately and give zero shits about it being MP31. And for the record I never liked Beast Wars.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762884)
Posted by CaptainMagic on February 4th, 2016 @ 8:30am CST

william-james88 wrote:
CaptainMagic wrote:
Yes, that. Those toys fascinated me as a kid. I would spend forever just flipping the heads around because it was so weird looking. I seem to remember a friend of mine had a bunch of Power Rangers ones that he would get mad at me for leaving with all of their heads stuck half-way flipped.

A tragic story in which a young boy's hopes are dashed by an inferior toy company.

That's a great story. On the one hand it's totally heart-breaking, but it's also really fun to think about you getting the guy to check the toy out with you. And as a bright side, that terribly misleading box art helped steer you back toward the better hobby.

Also, I would have been completely fooled by that art as well.

On the Optimus front, I do agree that the feet, elbows, and lack of sword storage all detract from the toy a bit for me, but I am hopeful that the few flaws will be less obvious once he's painted. Seeing the prototype like this invites us to be more critical of it than the finished product.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762887)
Posted by Sabrblade on February 4th, 2016 @ 8:43am CST

Stumpybot wrote:As for continuities, to me, Beast Wars is same universe as G1.

"G1" does not refer to a single universe. There are many "G1" universes, the original being the Marvel Comics that preceded and then outlived (by several years) the Sunbow cartoon.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762892)
Posted by Ironhidensh on February 4th, 2016 @ 8:50am CST

william-james88 wrote:via Imgflip Meme Maker

Yes and no. Whether or not a toy is crappy kinda lies in the eye of the beholder.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762920)
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 4th, 2016 @ 10:10am CST

I think it's a difference in saying I think it's a crappy figure and saying it is like a proven fact that everyone is beholden to. Basically it's just a problem on how we put our opinions across :-)

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762925)
Posted by Ironhidensh on February 4th, 2016 @ 10:18am CST

ZeroWolf wrote:I think it's a difference in saying I think it's a crappy figure and saying it is like a proven fact that everyone is beholden to. Basically it's just a problem on how we put our opinions across

True, true. For example: saying Ironhidensh is fugly is an opinion. Saying Ironhidensh is a sexy beast, however, is a proven fact.

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1762993)
Posted by Prowl4 on February 4th, 2016 @ 2:33pm CST

Mp 31 so we have mp 28 at the end of the month will the boss monkey be available in July?

Re: Additional Masterpiece Optimus Primal Images including Head Transformation and Scale (1763001)
Posted by Prowl4 on February 4th, 2016 @ 2:58pm CST

Nemesis Primal wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
MR Optimus Prime wrote:MAJOR robot parts on the gorilla mode feet, no sword storage, the beast mode head doesn't become the chest, and less weapons. I am sorry but this is a steprback words from the original figure. I would rather they have taken the BW Primal and just cosmetically updated that, hidden all the slight robot parts, and taken out the beating cheat gimmick, then call it a day.

But they already did that with the telemocha one so there is no point in doing it again for the MP. You can still buy it right here and be done for the day https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.ca%2Fitm%2FTransformers-Leg%20...%20SwBahVR1K0%3C%2Fa%3E%3F (its cheaper too and scales with Gen Rhinox!)

So since we already have what you want, they decided to give us something totally new.

- The Beast mode can now stand up like he did the majority of the time.
- The Gorilla head is of a MUCH better proportion and actually looks like the show model unlike any previous incarnation.
- He has wrist pistols in both hands and they dont flip out leaving his forearms looking like they just exploded.
- More articulation everywhere! (especially the wrists/hands)
- Both the mouth and faceplate for robot
- Better proportions in robot mode
- A totally new transformation scheme to make up for the better beast mode proportions
- Less robot mode showing in beast mode, and none of those big empty lines cutting across the beast chest.

This is a step up in almost everyway and he will look more show accurate in both modes than ever before. That is what MP is all about!

I'm slightly disappointed that it's not as self-contained as the original, but it's not that big a deal. And yeah, everything else is spectacular.

I hope we get Masterpiece versions of more of the Beast Wars cast. Dinobot and Blackarachnia would probably be impossible within our current understanding of physics, and Rhinox might be redundant, but there's still plenty to work with, especially if they go past the first season. Megatron is the obvious choice, of course, but I hope it doesn't end there.