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Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More.

Transformers News: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More.

Tuesday, December 13th, 2011 7:51PM CST

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Looking for a Botcon exclusive G2 Breakdown? Exercise caution. CHMS is at it again. Using the Sunstreaker/Sideswipe mold from Transformers Universe, CHMS has previewed 4 new KO's including the Transformers Club Exclusive Punch/Counter Punch, Botcon G2 Breakdown, a G1 Breakdown and Scamper. No word yet on how to distinguish these from the authentic figures, so when shopping, consider the source.

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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1322945)
Posted by Stormrider on December 13th, 2011 @ 8:04pm CST
Was the G1 painted version of Breakdown officially released?
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1322949)
Posted by Doubledealer93 on December 13th, 2011 @ 8:10pm CST
hey hasbro, if you made a breakdown then people would not have to go to KOs for one. of which i am doing. that does look awesome. i have to get it. i already have an official botcon G2 breakdown.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1322952)
Posted by GetRightRobot on December 13th, 2011 @ 8:14pm CST
Stormrider wrote:Was the G1 painted version of Breakdown officially released?



NNNOOOOoooo. Although I would buy one if it was.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1322960)
Posted by Nemesor on December 13th, 2011 @ 8:41pm CST
This is good news, so long as they don't try to sell them at 'con exclusive prices!
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1322962)
Posted by Godzillabot Primal on December 13th, 2011 @ 8:51pm CST
Finally a G1 Deluxe Breakdown that will take its place in my G1 Stunticons composed of SDCC Nemesis Prime with commander armor, SE Dragstrip, Movie Swerve, and Henkei Wildrider
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1322963)
Posted by Minezeye on December 13th, 2011 @ 8:52pm CST
So Awesome!!!

I can finally hope of owning x3 punch/counterpunchs for my display without having to shell out 600+ dollars on ebay!

That g1 breakdown deco is also a hell yes!!! gettign 2 of those bad boys will look great next to dragstrip!

Such a simple redeco, hasbro could have done...instead hasbro would rather give us skyshadow and an ugly ass wreck gar repaint....tsk ...tsk..

And the icing on this awsome news is SCAMPER! who will look great next to my G1 metroplex!
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1322969)
Posted by Scaleface on December 13th, 2011 @ 9:15pm CST
GetRightRobot wrote:No word yet on how to distinguish these from the authentic figures...


It it's a G1 Classic Breakdown, it's not Hasbro. They didn't make one.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1322973)
Posted by GetRightRobot on December 13th, 2011 @ 9:24pm CST
Scaleface wrote:
GetRightRobot wrote:No word yet on how to distinguish these from the authentic figures...


It it's a G1 Classic Breakdown, it's not Hasbro. They didn't make one.


That was to reference the authentic figures. I'm aware, that Hasbro never made a G1 Breakdown, I'm sure most people are. Thanks for sharing this with us BTW!
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1322979)
Posted by Megatron Wolf on December 13th, 2011 @ 9:43pm CST
we can only hope the head on punch isnt tiny like the hasbro version, why was the head so damn small
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1322984)
Posted by MGrotusque on December 13th, 2011 @ 9:51pm CST
Ugh.....i so love that G2 Breakdown. LOVE IT!
I'll buy a KO of that figure now that one is available.

EDIT: probably not actually.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1322988)
Posted by Blackstreak on December 13th, 2011 @ 9:58pm CST
It's pretty obvious Scamper is a KO as there is no Classics version for him. I would be interested in Scamper and G1 Breakdown myself. W/ the closing of KOToys I need to find out where to get these figures now. Would still like to get my hands on a KO Wildrider and if there is one, a KO Dragstrip.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323001)
Posted by Poyguimogul on December 13th, 2011 @ 10:20pm CST
IT"S NOT SCAMPER YOU DAFT PRICKS! IT"S DEEP COVER!

I know, I have 2 of them :p One in robot mode, and one in car mode, I think I seen a review on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH7VOpJdc2I&list=UUfFD39u8DDWX7_AyPr9ajUw&feature=plcp

Breakdowns just a custom, and the others seem to reference photos, as P/CP has the Fansproject cannon.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323003)
Posted by Scaleface on December 13th, 2011 @ 10:21pm CST
They already KOed Drag Strip.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323008)
Posted by Poyguimogul on December 13th, 2011 @ 10:26pm CST
Can get Breakdown if you get White / Blue / Grey / Black - DIY kit and smash together. Would also have a G2 Sideswipe from that. >.>
Just no TFCC heads. -Never will be a G2 colored KO Breakdown I bet.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323010)
Posted by dinogeist on December 13th, 2011 @ 10:27pm CST
Doubledealer93 wrote:hey hasbro, if you made a breakdown then people would not have to go to KOs for one. of which i am doing. that does look awesome. i have to get it. i already have an official botcon G2 breakdown.


Hasbro already released a few official breakdown toys.
here's a link with pics of the Revenge of the fallen basic/scout sized Breakdown toy:
http://cdn.tfw2005.com/resources/attach ... 804378.jpg

I thought this was a excellent updated homage as they nailed the proper size scale in relation to how the 1985 toy size was. it was also a decent updated homage as it was the right color,similar alt mode & it was very poseable.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323019)
Posted by Poyguimogul on December 13th, 2011 @ 10:39pm CST
Megatron Wolf wrote:we can only hope the head on punch isnt tiny like the hasbro version, why was the head so damn small


LOL the KO version is also small, and missing one of his antenna.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323021)
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 13th, 2011 @ 10:43pm CST
YES finally i may possibly be able to buy breakdown at non-convention prices Hurah- Cough I mean this is bad this is stuff and things and bad again.......
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323026)
Posted by dinogeist on December 13th, 2011 @ 10:49pm CST
SW's SilverHammer wrote:YES finally i may possibly be able to buy breakdown at non-convention prices Hurah- Cough I mean this is bad this is stuff and things and bad again.......


Personally I love these things for the sheer fact others will be able to afford these at normal prices.

I have zero interest in these. as I'm satified with one copy of the mold. I don't need nor do i have the space nor spare cash to buy every single repaint/remold that comes out.

Anyways,IMHO,The classics sunstreaker mold was MEDIOCRE,It wasn't that spectacular to get every repaint/remold.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323033)
Posted by dinogeist on December 13th, 2011 @ 11:09pm CST
Minezeye wrote:Such a simple redeco, hasbro could have done...instead hasbro would rather give us skyshadow and an ugly ass wreck gar repaint....tsk ...tsk..

And the icing on this awsome news is SCAMPER! who will look great next to my G1 metroplex!


1- Skyshadow originally came from the 1989 Japanese Takara TF victory cartoon series & toy line. the toy/charcter was originally called Blackshadow in 1989 but hasbro couldn't get the rights to the name or felt using Black would sound offensive. 1989 blackshadow was a recolor/remold using the 1988 Mega pretender thunderwing toy mold.

1a-It's worth mentioning in walmarts price scanner the generations skyshadow toy scans up as the following abbreviation: BLK SHDW,Which is abreviated for black shadow. so at one point hasbro was going to use the original 1989 black shadow name but changed their minds at the last minute.

2- as most in this thread already noted,this isn't scamper. Scamper was a 100% black colored mold. this is meant to be another tranasformers character/toy as this toy is colored black & white.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323036)
Posted by cannonfodder4000 on December 13th, 2011 @ 11:33pm CST
Minezeye wrote:Such a simple redeco, hasbro could have done...instead hasbro would rather give us skyshadow and an ugly ass wreck gar repaint....tsk ...tsk..


So, you'd rather see, another Universe Sunstreaker repaint, instead of Black Shadow?

Is that what you said? I think that was what you said. :-|
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323046)
Posted by generalstratton on December 14th, 2011 @ 12:20am CST
Megatron Wolf wrote:we can only hope the head on punch isnt tiny like the hasbro version, why was the head so damn small



the head is small due to the limitations of the sunstreaker/sideswipe mold.
and that is some thing that cannot be fixed.

the head has 2 faces, and a helmet that flips back and forth, to always cover one of them. but due to the unavoidable size of the helmet piece for that gimmick to work, and the fact the head still has to fit down the tiny space in the torso for it to tuck away in car mode. means the head is forced to be small.

if you get one, you will see even at that small size, it just fits in the torso cavity.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323048)
Posted by dinogeist on December 14th, 2011 @ 12:35am CST
generalstratton wrote:
Megatron Wolf wrote:we can only hope the head on punch isnt tiny like the hasbro version, why was the head so damn small



the head is small due to the limitations of the sunstreaker/sideswipe mold.
and that is some thing that cannot be fixed.

the head has 2 faces, and a helmet that flips back and forth, to always cover one of them. but due to the unavoidable size of the helmet piece for that gimmick to work, and the fact the head still has to fit down the tiny space in the torso for it to tuck away in car mode. means the head is forced to be small.

if you get one, you will see even at that small size, it just fits in the torso cavity.


FWIW,We've got TF toys with tiny heads all the time. Just look at some of the Dotm voyagers,like Skyhammer with th deluxe sized robot head. or Car robots Gigatron with the tiny robot head.

I don't see the big deal with the TFCC club toy punch/counterpunch having a under sized robot head.

IMHO,It just seems like when a TF toy is really exspensive to buy. the more complaints the toy gets. examples of this all the Masterpiece Transformers toys.

Their is no doubt in my mind had hasbro released punch/counterpunch for $9.99 at all retail stores in america & the toy was beyond over produced. the complaints about the under sized robot head would be significally less.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323049)
Posted by generalstratton on December 14th, 2011 @ 12:39am CST
i agree completely about the lower the cost, the less complaints.

but hey, the more you spend one something, the higher quality you expect for your money.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323058)
Posted by Court Jester on December 14th, 2011 @ 1:17am CST
Tidalwavex wrote:1- Skyshadow originally came from the 1989 Japanese Takara TF victory cartoon series & toy line. the toy/charcter was originally called Blackshadow in 1989 but hasbro couldn't get the rights to the name or felt using Black would sound offensive. 1989 blackshadow was a recolor/remold using the 1988 Mega pretender thunderwing toy mold.

1a-It's worth mentioning in walmarts price scanner the generations skyshadow toy scans up as the following abbreviation: BLK SHDW,Which is abreviated for black shadow. so at one point hasbro was going to use the original 1989 black shadow name but changed their minds at the last minute.


Yeah, I heard they went through several revisions before settling on Sky Shadow. A friend at Target said theirs scans up as: AFRCN AMRICN SHDW. To be honest I would have troop built a "Flip-slant-eye Shadow", "Rice-eater Shadow", or "Minority Shadow" army if it had a super articulated transformable drone, and I'm Filipino; but that's neither here nor there. Good thing Hasbro is looking out for the greater good. Black Shadow... pshh, how insensitive! >:oP ...4shame.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323095)
Posted by Autobot Genocide on December 14th, 2011 @ 7:07am CST
Even though im sick to the back teeth of this mould being used i dont need to think twice about getting breakdown

Did the KO Wildrider come out i remember seeing that KO black Rodimus on ebay.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323105)
Posted by Scaleface on December 14th, 2011 @ 7:39am CST
Yes, the repro Henkei Wildrider is out. I have him.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323114)
Posted by Swindle01 on December 14th, 2011 @ 8:08am CST
you can get henkei wildrider off kotoys
you can also get ko SE dragstrip off kotoys

Im really glad there doing botcon breakdown as i would love to own the G2 colored version and also a punch/counterpunch

i find it alittle sad the people who are complaining are the same dicks who moaned in the 'kotoys closing down' thread basically because they shelled out 200+300 on a TOY and are now moaning about the fact theres a ko of it. It makes me wonder sometimes if these same people moan when they buy a game at full price and then others buy them 2nd hand or less (as the makers of the game make no money that way) i just find it real pathetic when you get a bunch of sad acts moaning about a sodding toy if its been koed or not

Hopefully these will be released on kotoys before the forced close down and we can all purchase them. If not then im sure tom will just reopen the site under a different name as its not that difficult
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323115)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 14th, 2011 @ 8:16am CST
Wouldn't this Scamper figure make more sense as Deep Cover?

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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323165)
Posted by gothsaurus on December 14th, 2011 @ 11:25am CST
Yeah, when there are great ideas... I wish Hasbro would figure out a place to release them. Like these could be a ToysRUs box set of exclusives... or Botcon... or ComicCon...

I have the official releases, but you can bet I'll pick up the other two. They look fantastic. AND if and when Hasbro releases them, I'll get the official version.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323166)
Posted by Prime Evil on December 14th, 2011 @ 11:37am CST
Definitely wanting that G1 looking Breakdown. Wonder if it'll be hard to find or if AcesToyStore will carry it? Sure it won't be long till we find out. I do hope their their quality in KO's improve however.

IMO, KO's just have a slightly different production quality to them. I have no problems with buying cheaper KO's especially with a G1 Breakdown since Hasbro doesn't seem like they will produce one. KO products also don't seem to effect the market for original version of these toys.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323189)
Posted by Court Jester on December 14th, 2011 @ 12:56pm CST
For the record, KOToys is not severing their relationship with the CHMS production team or "factory" - also, the KOToys forum will remain open past the new year and for the foreseeable future. I'm sure a logical being would want to sign up as a member of said forum if interested on the details of obtaining CHMS releases in the future. Just sayin... :twisted:
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323210)
Posted by Scaleface on December 14th, 2011 @ 1:51pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:Wouldn't this Scamper figure make more sense as Deep Cover?

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No, because CHMS already released a Deep Cover months ago. They did 2 different versions, clear and red windows. The new deco is Scamper.

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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323236)
Posted by Cyber Bishop on December 14th, 2011 @ 2:34pm CST
Swindle01 wrote:people who are complaining are the same dicks who moaned in the 'kotoys closing down' thread



Name calling is not needed or necessary man.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323246)
Posted by generalstratton on December 14th, 2011 @ 2:53pm CST
Swindle01 wrote:you can get henkei wildrider off kotoys
you can also get ko SE dragstrip off kotoys

Im really glad there doing botcon breakdown as i would love to own the G2 colored version and also a punch/counterpunch

i find it alittle sad the people who are complaining are the same dicks who moaned in the 'kotoys closing down' thread basically because they shelled out 200+300 on a TOY and are now moaning about the fact theres a ko of it. It makes me wonder sometimes if these same people moan when they buy a game at full price and then others buy them 2nd hand or less (as the makers of the game make no money that way) i just find it real pathetic when you get a bunch of sad acts moaning about a sodding toy if its been koed or not

Hopefully these will be released on kotoys before the forced close down and we can all purchase them. If not then im sure tom will just reopen the site under a different name as its not that difficult




Well even if KOtoys does not open under a new name, the demand for these high quality knockoffs will still be there. As such some one else in the KO game will grow and fill in the void left by KO toys.

For the demand for high quality knock off figures, will continue to exist so long as other companies try to make them limited, and near impossible to get for the average collector.

We all wanted a various botcon figures when they came out, but due to travel costs, admission, etc, vs budget, very few of us would get the chance to go to botcon and get them. And the after market cost, is no better. So these high quality KO happily fill the gap for most of us.

Sure we will always know they are not the original, but if the quality is good enough, we won't care in the slightest.

the best way to Destroy the ko market, is not to make your figures limited and expensive. but to make them average priced and available to every one.
the other way is to watch the after market, and when something gets really high, reprint it. Good example, classics mirage average $50.00 a figure on ebay, so now would be a good time to re-print it as part of the generations line. this way the demand will be filled, and the fans won't need to get a KO of it to fill the whole in their collection.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323253)
Posted by generalstratton on December 14th, 2011 @ 2:58pm CST
Scaleface wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Wouldn't this Scamper figure make more sense as Deep Cover?

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No, because CHMS already released a Deep Cover months ago. They did 2 different versions, clear and red windows. The new deco is Scamper.

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it may not make sense, unless you consider the Deepcover toy they made was limited to under 100 (or 200), and was done only as a way to use the test figures printed, after the mold broke. It was never an intentional release when the mode was being made, but more an after thought as a way to recoup loss.

And if you look at the picture of "scamper", you will see deepcover's police badge on his arm/car door.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323258)
Posted by Dead Metal on December 14th, 2011 @ 3:02pm CST
Swindle01 wrote:you can get henkei wildrider off kotoys
you can also get ko SE dragstrip off kotoys

Im really glad there doing botcon breakdown as i would love to own the G2 colored version and also a punch/counterpunch

i find it alittle sad the people who are complaining are the same dicks who moaned in the 'kotoys closing down' thread basically because they shelled out 200+300 on a TOY and are now moaning about the fact theres a ko of it. It makes me wonder sometimes if these same people moan when they buy a game at full price and then others buy them 2nd hand or less (as the makers of the game make no money that way) i just find it real pathetic when you get a bunch of sad acts moaning about a sodding toy if its been koed or not

Hopefully these will be released on kotoys before the forced close down and we can all purchase them. If not then im sure tom will just reopen the site under a different name as its not that difficult

No they did not shell out 300 dollars for a toy, they shelled out 300 dollars for a 6 figures plus an extra, if you do the math you'll find that that works out the same per figure as what one of these "cheaper" alternative KOs cost.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323338)
Posted by Swindle01 on December 14th, 2011 @ 8:07pm CST
im sorry your right, 300 IS fair for 6 sodding toys which realistically a child would play with but a grown adult is willing to shell out 300 for. Yes your right is it fair to pay 300 for 6 toys that if released at normal retail would cost no more than 10 each, yes thank you hasbro for making us pay 300 for a collection of 6 to robots made for childen which would only have cost you 10 for each figure and would have made you a ton more money had you released it at retail, also i love the fact your completely ignoring the fact you will need to book flights (more money) hotels (more money) other travel costs to the venue (again more money) obviously money for things such as food and clearly more money for 'just in case' situations. so yeah.....loads of money for a toy that realistically a child should be playing with

sorry but paying 300 for toys is essentially like being raped and then being spat on for good messure only your to dumb to realise you just got screwed outa 300 bucks for £10 each toys when you could have used the 300 for something sensable like - rent/food/your children/your mortgage/pet insurance ect ect

truth is generalstratton is saying it far better than anyone else ive ever seen before but the sad thing is its all these hardcore botcon ect owners who moan and complain like children because a toy they paid 200-300 for has lost slight value because a high quality ko has shown up on the market. If your gona bitch and moan about a toy and the price then dont buy 2nd hand dvds/games or anything else for that matter because the companies dont receive ANY of that money and if your gona then moan about that then it simply makes you a hypocrite

Also kotoys forum isnt that great! ive tried to register there afew times and several times the stupid things acused me of being a sodding bot which ive selected NO to the question - are you a bot.
Ive tried to register there afew times but it just wont let me try anymore and i just get error messages. Its odd because i had no problem registering on the kotoys store section but the forum is just a pain in the ass to deal with.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323368)
Posted by Rated X on December 14th, 2011 @ 9:50pm CST
Ill be all over these. As usual I endorse CHMS for their quality work and grabbing the bull by the horns. :APPLAUSE:

Too bad I already bought an original Counterpunch but now I can display him as both identites. I would like to find out more about the rumor of KO toys being forced to shut down. Suprisingly, he just updated his website today with new pre-orders. I hope him being forced to shut down is just a rumor being spread by haters. :-?
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323393)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on December 14th, 2011 @ 11:44pm CST
ANOTHER "KO VS original" thread? Gimme a break.

WE ARE ALL COLLECTING TOYS HERE. Consider what most of society would say about that before pointing a finger and saying "these toys are too much money". Whether you're spending $300 on Botcon exclucives or $300 on several "high quality" KOs, that's still $300 spent on toys. If you get some joy out of it that's great, but either way you swing you can't criticize anyone for how they spend their money when you're doing the same thing.

It's as unreasonable to be angry that some people hate KOs as it is for people to be angry that people love KOs. This site is GEARED to people who LOVE the official stuff. Naturally most of them hate KOs. KOs don't help official collectors. They just don't. If you don't like it ... go to a different forum. There must be another out there that love KOs.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323397)
Posted by dinogeist on December 15th, 2011 @ 12:08am CST
Swindle01 wrote:im sorry your right, 300 IS fair for 6 sodding toys which realistically a child would play with but a grown adult is willing to shell out 300 for. Yes your right is it fair to pay 300 for 6 toys that if released at normal retail would cost no more than 10 each, yes thank you hasbro for making us pay 300 for a collection of 6 to robots made for childen which would only have cost you 10 for each figure and would have made you a ton more money had you released it at retail, also i love the fact your completely ignoring the fact you will need to book flights (more money) hotels (more money) other travel costs to the venue (again more money) obviously money for things such as food and clearly more money for 'just in case' situations. so yeah.....loads of money for a toy that realistically a child should be playing with

sorry but paying 300 for toys is essentially like being raped and then being spat on for good messure only your to dumb to realise you just got screwed outa 300 bucks for £10 each toys when you could have used the 300 for something sensable like - rent/food/your children/your mortgage/pet insurance ect ect

truth is generalstratton is saying it far better than anyone else ive ever seen before but the sad thing is its all these hardcore botcon ect owners who moan and complain like children because a toy they paid 200-300 for has lost slight value because a high quality ko has shown up on the market. If your gona bitch and moan about a toy and the price then dont buy 2nd hand dvds/games or anything else for that matter because the companies dont receive ANY of that money and if your gona then moan about that then it simply makes you a hypocrite

Also kotoys forum isnt that great! ive tried to register there afew times and several times the stupid things acused me of being a sodding bot which ive selected NO to the question - are you a bot.
Ive tried to register there afew times but it just wont let me try anymore and i just get error messages. Its odd because i had no problem registering on the kotoys store section but the forum is just a pain in the ass to deal with.


The TFCC club allows existing or newer members who don't want to go to the botcon convention. to pay around $300+ for a non-attendee gift set. you get the 5 or 6 club toys but don't have to attend the convention. TFCC ships out the toys weeks after botcon's convention has ended. their is even a pre-order for these items.

TFCC comes up with the recolors,character names & mold choices to use for these botcon or club toys. so saying hasbro should have released them in retail stores makes no sense. without TFCC crew members ideas these things would have never existed to begin with.

their just repaints of molds we already have. their not worth getting overly upset about or losing sleep over. granted I could see if these were 100% new molds not released to retail & just sold at botcon/club but their not.

no one is entitled to everything in life. this rules applies to our TF hobby as well. their are under 5,000 of each botcon toy made. if everyone in the world was entitled to them. then the botcon volume units per toy would be over 5 billion.

Regarding your last paragrapgh,The kotoy.com forums "MIGHT" have iphones/itouch androids & similar mobile devices blocked from registering. have you tried registering on these kotoys.com forums using a regular personal computer or lap top. since you tried to reister so many times & got denied access for whatever un-known reason. It's a possibility that the kotoys.com forums have blocked your IP numbers from the site. try registering for the kotoys.com forums at a friend or family members house or at a public place like school,library or at a internet cafe.

I suspect KOtoys.com forums might be a bit paranoid that hasbro is trying to spy on them. thus kotoys forums might have blocked some IP areas or whatever.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323412)
Posted by Court Jester on December 15th, 2011 @ 1:39am CST
What a conundrum...

Both perspectives hold validity. I propose the concept of respecting the collector hobbyists to choose for themselves what they put into their collections. Some people act like it's so easy to get scammed with so many websites dedicated to the hobby that all report the same news. You don't want to buy a KO off ebay accidentally, then do your homework. Ask the right questions to the seller; specific questions. Take precautions by buying with PayPal (with which you are given a reasonable time period to open a dispute, and claim a refund). Know your shit, and drank ur ak ryt. Otherwise, every topic in the Knock offs & 3rd Party Toys section of the forum will turn into this infinite loop of whining and verbal jousting.

When it comes down to it, even though we share an admiration for the artistry at work in every facet of this hobby, on our own we can only control our own purchases. Everything else is truly subjective in the realm of toys - especially monetary investment value.

On juvenile topic: these knock offs are the goddamn shit, bitches!


Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323428)
Posted by Dead Metal on December 15th, 2011 @ 3:10am CST
Rated X wrote:Ill be all over these. As usual I endorse CHMS for their quality work and grabbing the bull by the horns. :APPLAUSE:

Too bad I already bought an original Counterpunch but now I can display him as both identites. I would like to find out more about the rumor of KO toys being forced to shut down. Suprisingly, he just updated his website today with new pre-orders. I hope him being forced to shut down is just a rumor being spread by haters. :-?

https://www.kotoys.com/forum/index.php/ ... 161.0.html
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323488)
Posted by Rated X on December 15th, 2011 @ 8:24am CST
Dead Metal wrote:
Rated X wrote:Ill be all over these. As usual I endorse CHMS for their quality work and grabbing the bull by the horns. :APPLAUSE:

Too bad I already bought an original Counterpunch but now I can display him as both identites. I would like to find out more about the rumor of KO toys being forced to shut down. Suprisingly, he just updated his website today with new pre-orders. I hope him being forced to shut down is just a rumor being spread by haters. :-?

https://www.kotoys.com/forum/index.php/ ... 161.0.html



Seems kind of odd that that Hasbro can touch KO Toys but not the CHMS factory. They both operate legally in China. Even though KO Toys might currently be the face of CHMS, there are other outlets to purchase these KO’s. As someone said before, KO Toys might just start business under a new name with a new site. They have e-mail alerts which could be used to contact loyal customers like myself. He might also just go straight to e-bay where there are many Chinese dealers selling the same KO’s he is selling.

I’m not going to waste my time trying to wake up those people who don’t like getting more bang for their buck. I’m not going to entertain those collectors who pledge allegiance to Hasbro’s corporate echelon of copyright holders in suits and ties.

I collect everything and don’t really care who makes it. If I could start popping Botcon figures out my a** that look like the originals, I would set up shop in China and sell them too. It’s all about the characters, and the fans that love them. It’s not about corporate investors that clench tightly to little pieces of paper they bought from Japanese stakeholders. Last time I checked all Hasbro’s factories were set up in China so they can pay workers Chinese wages and milk every ounce of profit they can make. So technically, a Hasbro product is no different than a high quality KO. That is, unless you care who owns the bucket of melted plastic it came from.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323511)
Posted by gothsaurus on December 15th, 2011 @ 9:34am CST
Thinking about the factories in China, that's a good point. Those people are working for meager wages... so when they can sell a recolor, it's likely a real boost to their making ends meet with their family, food, home, etc. Anyway, there are a LOT of complicated legal and social issues involved, and I doubt we'll be solving them in this thread. :-?

I'd also note that Hasbro isn't at the helm of Botcon or the exclusives. Those toys are expensive because they're a short run and have their own toolings (heads) and packaging. The factory pressing a handful of toys is pricey. (When those costs are spread across tens of thousands of figures, price goes down.) For the collector, it's "acceptable" to get exclusives at a higher price for the rarity — and to get characters specifically geared for the fandom instead of children. Seriously, Botcon doesn't hate you — it's more expensive to make a short run of toys.... oh yeah, and to defer the cost of renting a convention center for the weekend. :shock:

Bottom line, convention toys are a compromise, but if they can be kept "kinda" affordable, we all win. Really. It's nice looking in that box of con exclusives to see a lot of dark, muted color "grown-up" looking designs (G2 set excepted, LOL)... and fan-nod characters like Alpha Trion, Nightbeat, Punch/Counterpunch... and don't forget where we got most of our femme-bots!

I guess bottom line, I like supporting the teams that put these sets together for us, and Hasbro... but I also will pick up some KO items that I don't expect Hasbro or Botcon to ever release... like that nice classics G1 Breakdown. If they choose not to release the toy, I don't feel bad picking it up.

As I've mentioned before, I wish they'd find avenues to release the repaints/retools we want — various toy conventions and store exclusives, etc. (like the seekers in a consistent size class... in a collectors box!? Wouldn't that be nice. :D )
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323593)
Posted by Dead Metal on December 15th, 2011 @ 12:56pm CST
Rated X wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:
Rated X wrote:Ill be all over these. As usual I endorse CHMS for their quality work and grabbing the bull by the horns. :APPLAUSE:

Too bad I already bought an original Counterpunch but now I can display him as both identites. I would like to find out more about the rumor of KO toys being forced to shut down. Suprisingly, he just updated his website today with new pre-orders. I hope him being forced to shut down is just a rumor being spread by haters. :-?

https://www.kotoys.com/forum/index.php/ ... 161.0.html



Seems kind of odd that that Hasbro can touch KO Toys but not the CHMS factory. They both operate legally in China. Even though KO Toys might currently be the face of CHMS, there are other outlets to purchase these KO’s. As someone said before, KO Toys might just start business under a new name with a new site. They have e-mail alerts which could be used to contact loyal customers like myself. He might also just go straight to e-bay where there are many Chinese dealers selling the same KO’s he is selling.

I’m not going to waste my time trying to wake up those people who don’t like getting more bang for their buck. I’m not going to entertain those collectors who pledge allegiance to Hasbro’s corporate echelon of copyright holders in suits and ties.

I collect everything and don’t really care who makes it. If I could start popping Botcon figures out my a** that look like the originals, I would set up shop in China and sell them too. It’s all about the characters, and the fans that love them. It’s not about corporate investors that clench tightly to little pieces of paper they bought from Japanese stakeholders. Last time I checked all Hasbro’s factories were set up in China so they can pay workers Chinese wages and milk every ounce of profit they can make. So technically, a Hasbro product is no different than a high quality KO. That is, unless you care who owns the bucket of melted plastic it came from.

Hasbro was able to do this due to KOToys being stupid enough to host their site on a US based server and host, which legally makes them a US company and therefore they have to apply to US copyright law.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323598)
Posted by gothsaurus on December 15th, 2011 @ 1:02pm CST
Ahhh! I hope they can reopen with their site on Chinese soil. Ha.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323601)
Posted by Dead Metal on December 15th, 2011 @ 1:05pm CST
gothsaurus wrote:Ahhh! I hope they can reopen with their site on Chinese soil. Ha.

Once their hosting runs out, sure.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323624)
Posted by Scaleface on December 15th, 2011 @ 2:06pm CST
Dead Metal wrote:Hasbro was able to do this due to KOToys being stupid enough to host their site on a US based server and host, which legally makes them a US company and therefore they have to apply to US copyright law.


All that is really just fan hearsay. We have not heard or seen anything from Hasbro. All we know is that the KOtoys web site said they are being shut down by a higher power and started a clearance sale around black friday.

If Hasbro had found their web server here in Michigan, do you really think they would say "okay, sell all your toys at half price now and be out of business by next year!". No! The site would have gone black overnight after a shutdown notice was issued to the web server.

I hate to say this, but most likely this is just a gimmick by KOtoys to clear out some stock and reorganize. They have CONTINUED to sell and ship product throughout the shut down, and even are adding new items to their inventory! Since their shutdown announcement their orders have reportedly boomed by people worried the KO toys would not be available any more.
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323737)
Posted by cylor on December 15th, 2011 @ 6:08pm CST
I think you're right, they even added a Crazy Devy KO Pre-order when the set is still at prototype stage...
Re: Buyer Beware! KO Botcon Breakdown, Punch and More. (1323752)
Posted by Blurrz on December 15th, 2011 @ 6:46pm CST
If you wish to complain or ponder about the current state of affairs of KOtoys, please do so here; https://www.kotoys.com/forum/index.php? ... 538c12;www

We're two weeks past the point of this nonsense and the discussion does not belong here anymore.

Please get this topic back on track as future posts will be judged accordingly.

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