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High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat

Transformers News: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat

Thursday, September 12th, 2013 9:18AM CDT

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Thanks to Amazon Japan we have some great high quality non-watermarked official images of Takara Tomy's upcoming Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat. These images give us a good look at the Sideswipe's remolded Yaniger style face. Check out the awesome images mirrored below:

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Transformers News: Re: Official TakaraTomy pics of TG-30 Waspinator, TG-31 Rhinox, MP-12G Lambor G2 Version, and MP-13B Sou

Transformers News: Re: Official TakaraTomy pics of TG-30 Waspinator, TG-31 Rhinox, MP-12G Lambor G2 Version, and MP-13B Sou

Transformers News: Re: Official TakaraTomy pics of TG-30 Waspinator, TG-31 Rhinox, MP-12G Lambor G2 Version, and MP-13B Sou

Transformers News: Re: Official TakaraTomy pics of TG-30 Waspinator, TG-31 Rhinox, MP-12G Lambor G2 Version, and MP-13B Sou

Transformers News: Re: Official TakaraTomy pics of TG-30 Waspinator, TG-31 Rhinox, MP-12G Lambor G2 Version, and MP-13B Sou

Transformers News: Re: Official TakaraTomy pics of TG-30 Waspinator, TG-31 Rhinox, MP-12G Lambor G2 Version, and MP-13B Sou

Transformers News: Re: Official TakaraTomy pics of TG-30 Waspinator, TG-31 Rhinox, MP-12G Lambor G2 Version, and MP-13B Sou

Transformers News: Re: Official TakaraTomy pics of TG-30 Waspinator, TG-31 Rhinox, MP-12G Lambor G2 Version, and MP-13B Sou

Transformers News: Re: Official TakaraTomy pics of TG-30 Waspinator, TG-31 Rhinox, MP-12G Lambor G2 Version, and MP-13B Sou

Transformers News: Re: Official TakaraTomy pics of TG-30 Waspinator, TG-31 Rhinox, MP-12G Lambor G2 Version, and MP-13B Sou

Transformers News: Re: Official TakaraTomy pics of TG-30 Waspinator, TG-31 Rhinox, MP-12G Lambor G2 Version, and MP-13B Sou

Transformers News: Re: Official TakaraTomy pics of TG-30 Waspinator, TG-31 Rhinox, MP-12G Lambor G2 Version, and MP-13B Sou

Transformers News: Re: Official TakaraTomy pics of TG-30 Waspinator, TG-31 Rhinox, MP-12G Lambor G2 Version, and MP-13B Sou

Transformers News: Re: Official TakaraTomy pics of TG-30 Waspinator, TG-31 Rhinox, MP-12G Lambor G2 Version, and MP-13B Sou

Transformers News: Re: Official TakaraTomy pics of TG-30 Waspinator, TG-31 Rhinox, MP-12G Lambor G2 Version, and MP-13B Sou

Transformers News: Re: Official TakaraTomy pics of TG-30 Waspinator, TG-31 Rhinox, MP-12G Lambor G2 Version, and MP-13B Sou

Transformers News: Re: Official TakaraTomy pics of TG-30 Waspinator, TG-31 Rhinox, MP-12G Lambor G2 Version, and MP-13B Sou

Transformers News: Re: Official TakaraTomy pics of TG-30 Waspinator, TG-31 Rhinox, MP-12G Lambor G2 Version, and MP-13B Sou

Transformers News: Re: Official TakaraTomy pics of TG-30 Waspinator, TG-31 Rhinox, MP-12G Lambor G2 Version, and MP-13B Sou

Transformers News: Re: Official TakaraTomy pics of TG-30 Waspinator, TG-31 Rhinox, MP-12G Lambor G2 Version, and MP-13B Sou
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Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517291)
Posted by megatronus on September 12th, 2013 @ 9:22am CDT
Woah. :shock:

Translucent red Megatron gun?

Nice! :KREMZEEK:
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517298)
Posted by Bowspearer on September 12th, 2013 @ 9:52am CDT
The touches they've put on these guys make them pretty appealing. G2 Sideswipe has gone from an easy pass to a no brainer, while Soundlbaster has some nice touches to him. Ratbat of course is brilliant, but the fact that there's the ruby crystals of Burma version energon cube included with him is a really nice touch.

Overall I'm not as excited as I was when I was expecting Sideswipe and Soundwave, but there's enough there for me to look forward to both releases.

Any word on whether the fluro green deco on Sideswipe in car mode is an Amazon exclusive?
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517299)
Posted by El Duque on September 12th, 2013 @ 9:54am CDT
Bowspearer wrote:The touches they've put on these guys make them pretty appealing. G2 Sideswipe has gone from an easy pass to a no brainer, while Soundlbaster has some nice touches to him. Ratbat of course is brilliant, but the fact that there's the ruby crystals of Burma version energon cube included with him is a really nice touch.

Overall I'm not as excited as I was when I was expecting Sideswipe and Soundwave, but there's enough there for me to look forward to both releases.

Any word on whether the fluro green deco on Sideswipe in car mode is an Amazon exclusive?


Those details appear to be stickers, so hopefully they're included.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517301)
Posted by megatronus on September 12th, 2013 @ 9:55am CDT
Bowspearer wrote:Any word on whether the fluro green deco on Sideswipe in car mode is an Amazon exclusive?

They look like optional stickers to me.

Seems they were just testing the waters by adding the optional Autobot Sticker to MP Tigertrack.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517302)
Posted by Torneira on September 12th, 2013 @ 9:58am CDT
I don't know if someone already asked this, but where does the spikes on the tires in robot form go when he transforms in vehicle mode :???:
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517303)
Posted by Bowspearer on September 12th, 2013 @ 9:58am CDT
Either way it looks like worst case scenario it's a reprolabels job.

One thing I really would like to see on G2 Sideswipe is just how the sword mounts on his back in robot mode.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517305)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 12th, 2013 @ 10:02am CDT
Torneira wrote:I don't know if someone already asked this, but where does the spikes on the tires in robot form go when he transforms in vehicle mode :???:
Those are probably just removable accessories one can attach to him in robot mode.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517310)
Posted by Rotoraptor on September 12th, 2013 @ 10:23am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
Sodan-1 wrote:Not digging the two Beast Wars characters. The colours are too dark.
Takara Rhinox's brown is lighter than Hasbro's:

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megatronus wrote:I'm super psyched about Sideswipe as well (not to mention Soundblaster), but I would like to know what logic there is to the numbering.
If it's a new character who was in the original mainstream toyline, they get a new number.

If it's just a different version of the same character, or an e-HOBBY exclusive toy (new character or not), they keep their number but gain a letter.

Convoy wrote:What I'm wondering is if Soundblaster really won't have a translucent red chest/door so you can read the "weak spot sticker"(tech spec style) on the few G1 cassettes that have it.
Looks like it'll be a show-accurate purple chest door.

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Which I just now realized was also raised in the cartoon like on the toy. :shock:

Mindmaster wrote:Liking the bling on Waspinator. However, Hasbro's release is more up in my alley, since I'm in it for show accuracy, and while they got Waspinator's green down, his yellow wasn't quite like that. Plus, gotta keep funds into consideration.
I'm thinking of getting both versions and Frankensteining them together to give the Takara one Hasbro's non-metallic yellow. But only if I can afford to do so, and only if it's actually possible. ;)

Mindmaster wrote:Call me Captain Obvious, but Rhinox's deco seems to be inspired by the original toy. So once again, Hasbro's got me on their hook.
I dunno, the brown on Takara's Rhinox definitely looks closer to the cartoon model than the original toy to me.

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Hm. Thanks for doing the legwork, there, I hadn't noticed how much more cartoon accurate the Takara Rhinox was. Especially with those guns painted, and the more brown paint than the slate grey Hasbro showed off. I know the photos are from Ehobby, but are these definitely the final Takara* deco? The promo photos on most retailers still show a version quite similar to the Hasbro colors without the guns painted. Still won't be getting the Takara waspinator, no clue why they decided to go with metallic gold instead of yellow..... Perhaps it's because the organic nature of beast modes was toned WAY down in Japanese beast continuity, i.e., Beast Wars II & Neo characters having weaponized beast modes.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517313)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 12th, 2013 @ 10:35am CDT
Rotoraptor wrote:I know the photos are from Ehobby, but are these definitely the final Takara* deco? The promo photos on most retailers still show a version quite similar to the Hasbro colors without the guns painted.
The other retailers haven't yet received the official TakaraTomy stock photos like e-HOBBY has. I suspect Amazon Japan will have high quality versions of these pics soon enough (what with them already having gotten larger pics of MP Soundblaster and Lambor G2 Version). ;)
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517315)
Posted by Yotsuyasan on September 12th, 2013 @ 10:54am CDT
It bothers me a bit that the upper half of Ratbat's wings are so obviously the front of his cassette mode. It'd have been nice if they had found a way to swivel those around. Still, I'd love to get my hands on one! Pity I have absolutely no interest in SoundBlaster. (Wish there was a way to get him separately, but I shan't hold my breath on that...)
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517317)
Posted by Rotoraptor on September 12th, 2013 @ 11:00am CDT
Yotsuyasan wrote:It bothers me a bit that the upper half of Ratbat's wings are so obviously the front of his cassette mode. It'd have been nice if they had found a way to swivel those around. Still, I'd love to get my hands on one! Pity I have absolutely no interest in SoundBlaster. (Wish there was a way to get him separately, but I shan't hold my breath on that...)


Why? They kinda shadily indicated that they want to make Slugfest and Overkill, they could easily make a new two or three pack down the road including Ratbat. I doubt they made the mold with intend to ONLY sell it with Soundblaster, that would be a total waste of development funds. No, I would bet money we'll see an individual or multi-pack release of Ratbat in the future.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517318)
Posted by Rotoraptor on September 12th, 2013 @ 11:00am CDT
Yotsuyasan wrote:It bothers me a bit that the upper half of Ratbat's wings are so obviously the front of his cassette mode. It'd have been nice if they had found a way to swivel those around. Still, I'd love to get my hands on one! Pity I have absolutely no interest in SoundBlaster. (Wish there was a way to get him separately, but I shan't hold my breath on that...)


Why? They kinda shadily indicated that they want to make Slugfest and Overkill, they could easily make a new two or three pack down the road including Ratbat. I doubt they made the mold with intend to ONLY sell it with Soundblaster, that would be a total waste of development funds. No, I would bet money we'll see an individual or multi-pack release of Ratbat in the future.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517322)
Posted by megatronus on September 12th, 2013 @ 11:04am CDT
Rotoraptor wrote:
Yotsuyasan wrote:It bothers me a bit that the upper half of Ratbat's wings are so obviously the front of his cassette mode. It'd have been nice if they had found a way to swivel those around. Still, I'd love to get my hands on one! Pity I have absolutely no interest in SoundBlaster. (Wish there was a way to get him separately, but I shan't hold my breath on that...)


Why? They kinda shadily indicated that they want to make Slugfest and Overkill, they could easily make a new two or three pack down the road including Ratbat. I doubt they made the mold with intend to ONLY sell it with Soundblaster, that would be a total waste of development funds. No, I would bet money we'll see an individual or multi-pack release of Ratbat in the future.

You can make the opposite argument: they included Ratbat with Soundblaster in order to move units of Soundblaster, which has 0 development cost. That revenue should more than counterbalance the cost of developing a wee little thing like Ratbat.

Also, possible future 2-pack would probably be:

Slugfest & Overkill
Beast Box & Squawk Talk

Where would Ratbat fit into this scheme?
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517324)
Posted by RiddlerJ on September 12th, 2013 @ 11:31am CDT
How the heck does Ratbat transform? It looks like his torso and head flap over to the cassette side but I can't quite figure it out.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517330)
Posted by Yotsuyasan on September 12th, 2013 @ 11:54am CDT
megatronus wrote:Also, possible future 2-pack would probably be:

Slugfest & Overkill
Beast Box & Squawk Talk

Where would Ratbat fit into this scheme?


Well, still not holding my breath, but two-packs are the Takara tape release strategy. I'd rather hold out for a Hasbro release, and perhaps if Hasbro's less worried about Soundblaster, they could give us a three-pack of Slugfest, Overkill, and Ratbat and I'd be a happy guy.

(I'll admit I went third-party on Beast Box & Squawk Talk... I figured, as characters who never appeared in the cartoon, there'd be less of a chance of seeing them. But if they got a proper Masterpiece release that was made available by Hasbro, I suppose I could transfer the third-party ones to my Classics collection.)
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517338)
Posted by Nemesis Destron on September 12th, 2013 @ 1:03pm CDT
I think seller's in the secondary market can hear everyone's cry for Ratbat and not having to buy Soundblaster to get him. I'm sure we will see people selling Ratbat solo at wonderful jacked-up prices. :VEHI:
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517339)
Posted by Nemesis Destron on September 12th, 2013 @ 1:05pm CDT
I think seller's in the secondary market can hear everyone's cry for Ratbat and not having to buy Soundblaster to get him. I'm sure we will see people selling Ratbat solo at wonderful jacked-up prices. :VEHI:
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517340)
Posted by RiddlerJ on September 12th, 2013 @ 1:14pm CDT
Yotsuyasan wrote:
megatronus wrote:Also, possible future 2-pack would probably be:

Slugfest & Overkill
Beast Box & Squawk Talk

Where would Ratbat fit into this scheme?


Well, still not holding my breath, but two-packs are the Takara tape release strategy. I'd rather hold out for a Hasbro release, and perhaps if Hasbro's less worried about Soundblaster, they could give us a three-pack of Slugfest, Overkill, and Ratbat and I'd be a happy guy.

(I'll admit I went third-party on Beast Box & Squawk Talk... I figured, as characters who never appeared in the cartoon, there'd be less of a chance of seeing them. But if they got a proper Masterpiece release that was made available by Hasbro, I suppose I could transfer the third-party ones to my Classics collection.)



Ratbat & Enemy two pack would work for me.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517347)
Posted by MGrotusque on September 12th, 2013 @ 2:08pm CDT
Hello Ratbat. Your looking totally awesome today.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517358)
Posted by Deruji on September 12th, 2013 @ 2:53pm CDT
RiddlerJ wrote:
Yotsuyasan wrote:
megatronus wrote:Also, possible future 2-pack would probably be:

Slugfest & Overkill
Beast Box & Squawk Talk

Where would Ratbat fit into this scheme?


Well, still not holding my breath, but two-packs are the Takara tape release strategy. I'd rather hold out for a Hasbro release, and perhaps if Hasbro's less worried about Soundblaster, they could give us a three-pack of Slugfest, Overkill, and Ratbat and I'd be a happy guy.

(I'll admit I went third-party on Beast Box & Squawk Talk... I figured, as characters who never appeared in the cartoon, there'd be less of a chance of seeing them. But if they got a proper Masterpiece release that was made available by Hasbro, I suppose I could transfer the third-party ones to my Classics collection.)



Ratbat & Enemy two pack would work for me.


They'd probably give us Enemy and Wingthing :P
Daresay even, the Japan exclusive Dino-Cassettes?
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517359)
Posted by Deruji on September 12th, 2013 @ 2:58pm CDT
RiddlerJ wrote:How the heck does Ratbat transform? It looks like his torso and head flap over to the cassette side but I can't quite figure it out.


The wings fold back, the tips are turned towards the sides. Then the chest and head flip foward with the feet towards the back. The backpack flips up, the gold parts swivel forward and the boosters flip into the sides
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517362)
Posted by conartist on September 12th, 2013 @ 3:38pm CDT
I'm thinking Ratbat is based on his All Hail Megatron #5 design. I'm sure the designers could have hidden the cassette deco on the front of the bat if they'd wanted to.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517364)
Posted by Rotoraptor on September 12th, 2013 @ 4:03pm CDT
megatronus wrote:You can make the opposite argument: they included Ratbat with Soundblaster in order to move units of Soundblaster, which has 0 development cost. That revenue should more than counterbalance the cost of developing a wee little thing like Ratbat.

Also, possible future 2-pack would probably be:

Slugfest & Overkill
Beast Box & Squawk Talk

Where would Ratbat fit into this scheme?


How is that the "opposite argument?"
1) I didn't deny the fact that they likely included Ratbat with Soundblaster to create more interest in the figure than there would be if he came alone or with one of the cassettes we've already gotten. That has no baring on whether or not they will also release Ratbat separately in the future....

2) The fact that Soundblaster is a recolor may mean that it has 0 cost for R&D, but it will still cost money to produce and ship, and the development and production costs of Ratbat himself I'm sure are also figured into the price of the figure. Either way, I don't see how that has anything to do with the mold being released at a later time, either.... The people who are going to buy SB will buy him...those of us who won't buy him won't... How much it costs Takara to develop the figure isn't going to effect that one way or the other.

You also assume they're somehow unable or unwilling to release Ratbat on his own, or in a three-pack based on the fact that they've released two two-packs? They make the packs, my friend, they can include as many or as little in them as they wish to. If for some strange reason he MUST be in a two-pack, they could easily make a recolor of any of the other cassettes we already have for little to no cost to sell with him....

They know people want Ratbat. We've been asking since MP Soundwave came out.
They know some people will buy Soundblaster to get him,
but they also know many will NOT buy Soundblaster just to get Ratbat.

It makes no sense for them to just ignore that money, and perfect sense for them to collect that money with a separate release in a couple months. One approach intentionally forgoes a large section of their customers, while the other approach insures that anyone who wants him can get him, but that those who want him immediately are going to pay substantially more to get him with Soundblaster.

Really doesn't seem very complicated, if you ask me.
This is how business works...
If there is demand for their product, which there clearly is, what possible reason could they have to refuse to supply it? :HEADHURTS:
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517368)
Posted by craggy on September 12th, 2013 @ 4:25pm CDT
RiddlerJ wrote:
Ratbat & Enemy two pack would work for me.

I'll take that, yes please!
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517369)
Posted by megatronus on September 12th, 2013 @ 4:29pm CDT
Rotoraptor wrote:
megatronus wrote:You can make the opposite argument: they included Ratbat with Soundblaster in order to move units of Soundblaster, which has 0 development cost. That revenue should more than counterbalance the cost of developing a wee little thing like Ratbat.

Also, possible future 2-pack would probably be:

Slugfest & Overkill
Beast Box & Squawk Talk

Where would Ratbat fit into this scheme?


How is that the "opposite argument?"
1) I didn't deny the fact that they likely included Ratbat with Soundblaster to create more interest in the figure than there would be if he came alone or with one of the cassettes we've already gotten. That has no baring on whether or not they will also release Ratbat separately in the future....

2) The fact that Soundblaster is a recolor may mean that it has 0 cost for R&D, but it will still cost money to produce and ship, and the development and production costs of Ratbat himself I'm sure are also figured into the price of the figure. Either way, I don't see how that has anything to do with the mold being released at a later time, either.... The people who are going to buy SB will buy him...those of us who won't buy him won't... How much it costs Takara to develop the figure isn't going to effect that one way or the other.

You also assume they're somehow unable or unwilling to release Ratbat on his own, or in a three-pack based on the fact that they've released two two-packs? They make the packs, my friend, they can include as many or as little in them as they wish to. If for some strange reason he MUST be in a two-pack, they could easily make a recolor of any of the other cassettes we already have for little to no cost to sell with him....

They know people want Ratbat. We've been asking since MP Soundwave came out.
They know some people will buy Soundblaster to get him,
but they also know many will NOT buy Soundblaster just to get Ratbat.

It makes no sense for them to just ignore that money, and perfect sense for them to collect that money with a separate release in a couple months. One approach intentionally forgoes a large section of their customers, while the other approach insures that anyone who wants him can get him, but that those who want him immediately are going to pay substantially more to get him with Soundblaster.

Really doesn't seem very complicated, if you ask me.
This is how business works...
If there is demand for their product, which there clearly is, what possible reason could they have to refuse to supply it? :HEADHURTS:

I think you need to chill out a bit... :roll:

Remember this?

Rotoraptor wrote:I doubt they made the mold with intend to ONLY sell it with Soundblaster, that would be a total waste of development funds. No, I would bet money we'll see an individual or multi-pack release of Ratbat in the future.

Me saying they're only going to pair Ratbat with Soundblaster is the opposite of you saying they're not going to exclusively pair Ratbat with Soundblaster. Get it? ;)

They're not going to release Ratbat by himself. Or as a pair. They'll repaint him as Wingthing and pair him with Enemy (or something else) as a 2-pack, just to get more use out of the mold.

You can believe differently if you want. There's just no evidence, based on how Takara likes to operate, that a re-release is gonna happen anytime soon.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517371)
Posted by craggy on September 12th, 2013 @ 4:32pm CDT
I don't want Sideswipe. Because then I will have to catch em all! Looks bloody fantastic too. We need more growly toothed mouths. Hopefully if there's every an MP Galvatron we'll get a comic version with super-psycho mentalist doo-lally foaming at the mouth face as an alternate.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517372)
Posted by Bowspearer on September 12th, 2013 @ 4:44pm CDT
Rotoraptor wrote:
megatronus wrote:You can make the opposite argument: they included Ratbat with Soundblaster in order to move units of Soundblaster, which has 0 development cost. That revenue should more than counterbalance the cost of developing a wee little thing like Ratbat.

Also, possible future 2-pack would probably be:

Slugfest & Overkill
Beast Box & Squawk Talk

Where would Ratbat fit into this scheme?


How is that the "opposite argument?"
1) I didn't deny the fact that they likely included Ratbat with Soundblaster to create more interest in the figure than there would be if he came alone or with one of the cassettes we've already gotten. That has no baring on whether or not they will also release Ratbat separately in the future....

2) The fact that Soundblaster is a recolor may mean that it has 0 cost for R&D, but it will still cost money to produce and ship, and the development and production costs of Ratbat himself I'm sure are also figured into the price of the figure. Either way, I don't see how that has anything to do with the mold being released at a later time, either.... The people who are going to buy SB will buy him...those of us who won't buy him won't... How much it costs Takara to develop the figure isn't going to effect that one way or the other.

You also assume they're somehow unable or unwilling to release Ratbat on his own, or in a three-pack based on the fact that they've released two two-packs? They make the packs, my friend, they can include as many or as little in them as they wish to. If for some strange reason he MUST be in a two-pack, they could easily make a recolor of any of the other cassettes we already have for little to no cost to sell with him....

They know people want Ratbat. We've been asking since MP Soundwave came out.
They know some people will buy Soundblaster to get him,
but they also know many will NOT buy Soundblaster just to get Ratbat.

It makes no sense for them to just ignore that money, and perfect sense for them to collect that money with a separate release in a couple months. One approach intentionally forgoes a large section of their customers, while the other approach insures that anyone who wants him can get him, but that those who want him immediately are going to pay substantially more to get him with Soundblaster.

Really doesn't seem very complicated, if you ask me.
This is how business works...
If there is demand for their product, which there clearly is, what possible reason could they have to refuse to supply it? :HEADHURTS:


On the contrary, you're not going to see a separate TT Ratbat release any more than people saw a separate TT Laserbeak release.

The fact is that the moment they do that, virtually all incentives to buy Soundblaster go out the window for people and TT lose a recolour of a larger Masterpiece Transformer.

The fact is that they know that Ratbat is just as much a selling point for Soundblaster as Laserbeak was for Soundwave and so they're not about to shoot themselves in the foot with that.

The fact is that you're more likely to see either Wingthing show up in a 2 pack as a recolour of the mould or a reissue of MP-13B than you are of Ratbat being sold another way.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517376)
Posted by Rotoraptor on September 12th, 2013 @ 5:02pm CDT
megatronus wrote:They're not going to release Ratbat by himself. Or as a pair. They'll repaint him as Wingthing and pair him with Enenmy (or something else) as a 2-pack, just to get more use out of the mold.

You can believe differently if you want. There's just no evidence, based on how Takara likes to operate, that a re-release is gonna happen anytime soon.


That's cute. Other than your own presumptions that you know how Takara will be releasing their own products there is no evidence to the contrary either.

I will continue to believe what logic would dictate, that they have no reason not to supply a mold to people for which there is clear demand. "Getting more use" of a mold via repaints only makes sense when the original figure was widely available in the first place, which Ratbat is not. Repaints allow those who own the original figure to buy a second version of the mold, thus netting Takara double profit for the same development costs.

This approach makes much less sense when you're dealing with a group of customers who do not OWN the original, and would want the original color more than a Wingthing repaint. In those cases, releasing a recolor could drastically hurt their profits instead of bolster them. Hell, the recent Hasbro TRU MP Acid Storm is a perfect example of this. They released him in the states assuming that those who could not find the Coronation Starscream mold would purchase him, and instead people are allowing him to shelf-warm because he is not the character they actually wanted to see the mold released as.

People have been demanding an MP Ratbat for months, I haven't seen a single fan clamoring for an MP Wingthing, thus which do you think is going to make them more money? A) The mold they will pay to recolor/retool which not as many people want or, B) the mold they can release as-is which more people will purchase? Again, it's simple supply and demand. They're not going to forgo a release lots of people want so they can pay money to retool it into a release there is limited demand for.... Best Practices in Business 101.

Neither logic, nor your arguments support your assertions, and unless you work for Takara you really shouldn't state your personal beliefs as if they are fact, no matter how valid they may seem to you. I will continue to expect Ratbat in my collection by the end of 2014, until the company that makes them indicates otherwise because, in the end, Takara is the only group who knows if, when and how their products will be released. >:oP
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517378)
Posted by Vile MK III on September 12th, 2013 @ 5:10pm CDT
Dead Metal wrote:You think Tak will make a G2 Prime as well, with ugly beat up head, neck muscles and black trailer? :P


That would be awesome! Mind is offially blown :oops:
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517379)
Posted by EagleTron on September 12th, 2013 @ 5:30pm CDT
If the Punisher died and was reborn into a Transformer G2 Sideswipe would be him. Punisher Sideswipe, Sideswipe the Punisher or even PunisherTron. Just put a skull and crossbones on his chest and there you go.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517381)
Posted by megatronus on September 12th, 2013 @ 5:35pm CDT
Rotoraptor wrote:That's cute.

Thanks!!! :grin:

Rotoraptor wrote:Other than your own presumptions that you know how Takara will be releasing their own products there is no evidence to the contrary either.

Right back at you.

Rotoraptor wrote:I will continue to believe what logic would dictate, that they have no reason not to supply a mold to people for which there is clear demand. "Getting more use" of a mold via repaints only makes sense when the original figure was widely available in the first place, which Ratbat is not. Repaints allow those who own the original figure to buy a second version of the mold, thus netting Takara double profit for the same development costs.

Logic is in the eye of the beholder, my friend. As Bowspearer said, there's no precedent for an individual release or re-release along the lines you suggest. How long did it take them to re-release Grimlock? 5 years? Where's the individual Laserbeak release?

Rotoraptor wrote:This approach makes much less sense when you're dealing with a group of customers who do not OWN the original, and would want the original color more than a Wingthing repaint. In those cases, releasing a recolor could drastically hurt their profits instead of bolster them. Hell, the recent Hasbro TRU MP Acid Storm is a perfect example of this. They released him in the states assuming that those who could not find the Coronation Starscream mold would purchase him, and instead people are allowing him to shelf-warm because he is not the character they actually wanted to see the mold released as.

Apples and Oranges. You can't compare Hasbro and Takara's business practices. If they wanted to give people a Starscream proxy, they would have released Starscream. They released Acid Storm because they released Starscream a few years back, and Hasbro wanted to release a new character instead of a repeat (which we actually know via interviews, etc.).

Rotoraptor wrote:People have been demanding an MP Ratbat for months, I haven't seen a single fan clamoring for an MP Wingthing, thus which do you think is going to make them more money? A) The mold they will pay to recolor/retool which not as many people want or, B) the mold they can release as-is which more people will purchase? Again, it's simple supply and demand. They're not going to forgo a release lots of people want so they can pay money to retool it into a release there is limited demand for.... Best Practices in Business 101.

You're right. It's simple supply and demand: they want people to demand their supply of Soundblaster. No reason to tank sales of a larger figure buy making Ratbat an offshoot, when they know people will buy it.

Rotoraptor wrote:Neither logic, nor your arguments support your assertions

Right back at you.

Rotoraptor wrote:unless you work for Takara you really shouldn't state your personal beliefs as if they are fact, no matter how valid they may seem to you.

Right back at... jeez, man! You really need to take your own advice. #-o

Rotoraptor wrote:I will continue to expect Ratbat in my collection by the end of 2014, until the company that makes them indicates otherwise because, in the end, Takara is the only group who knows if, when and how their products will be released. >:oP

Exactly. So while you're waiting for Takara to make an announcement (which is unlikely due to how they've been managing the release of figures so far - the only hard evidence either of us actually has), I'll be enjoying my Soundblaster & Ratbat.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517384)
Posted by Yotsuyasan on September 12th, 2013 @ 5:52pm CDT
Rotoraptor wrote:I will continue to believe what logic would dictate, that they have no reason not to supply a mold to people for which there is clear demand. "Getting more use" of a mold via repaints only makes sense when the original figure was widely available in the first place, which Ratbat is not. Repaints allow those who own the original figure to buy a second version of the mold, thus netting Takara double profit for the same development costs.


By that logic, I eagerly await a mass market retail release of a proper, double-red gun bearing, chromed up Metroplex. Because surely Hasbro wouldn't want to turn down profit when there was a clear demand.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517397)
Posted by RiddlerJ on September 12th, 2013 @ 6:15pm CDT
If Hasbro tries the Soundblaster/Ratbat approach, I guarantee there will be tons of people buying him just to pluck Ratbat out and then return Soundblaster saying it was defective.

They would be better off sticking Wingthing in with SB and selling Ratbat with someone else.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517414)
Posted by Stormrider on September 12th, 2013 @ 6:53pm CDT
RiddlerJ wrote:If Hasbro tries the Soundblaster/Ratbat approach, I guarantee there will be tons of people buying him just to pluck Ratbat out and then return Soundblaster saying it was defective.

They would be better off sticking Wingthing in with SB and selling Ratbat with someone else.


This seems to be the most likely outcome.

On the Ratbat's appearance - looks great. I wouldn't change a thing. I have no problem with the cassette tampo showing on the front of his wing. The back of the wing will be solid purple.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517415)
Posted by megatronus on September 12th, 2013 @ 6:59pm CDT
Stormrider wrote:[quote="RiddlerJ"On the Ratbat's appearance - looks great. I wouldn't change a thing. I have no problem with the cassette tampo showing on the front of his wing. The back of the wing will be solid purple.

Hear Hear!

Ratbat IS amazing looking.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517418)
Posted by ausbot on September 12th, 2013 @ 7:17pm CDT
I just want the Ratbat.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517504)
Posted by Bowspearer on September 13th, 2013 @ 6:19am CDT
RiddlerJ wrote:If Hasbro tries the Soundblaster/Ratbat approach, I guarantee there will be tons of people buying him just to pluck Ratbat out and then return Soundblaster saying it was defective.

They would be better off sticking Wingthing in with SB and selling Ratbat with someone else.


I can't see Hasbro releasing him for that reason. Since when has even every 2.0 MP figure seen a Hasbro release?

ausbot wrote:I just want the Ratbat.


HLJ just put up preorders for Soundblaster & Ratbat for ¥12640 & G2 Sideswipe for ¥5200.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517506)
Posted by xyl360 on September 13th, 2013 @ 6:30am CDT
I'm definitely getting both versions of Rhinox and Waspinator (and Rattrap and any other Beast Wars figures they make). I was going to anyway (Beast Wars variant obsession here :P), but now it's even more important as I may have to do a bit of painting and parts swapping to get the most screen accurate versions possible.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517531)
Posted by megatronus on September 13th, 2013 @ 8:28am CDT
Bowspearer wrote:HLJ just put up preorders for Soundblaster & Ratbat for ¥12640 & G2 Sideswipe for ¥5200.

I'm always tempted by HLJ's prices (especially now that the Yen is down), but I always end up going with a domestic retailer that has collector packaging (TFsource and BBTS).

How does HLJ do packaging wise, and how is their shipping costs?
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517549)
Posted by Bowspearer on September 13th, 2013 @ 10:01am CDT
megatronus wrote:
Bowspearer wrote:HLJ just put up preorders for Soundblaster & Ratbat for ¥12640 & G2 Sideswipe for ¥5200.

I'm always tempted by HLJ's prices (especially now that the Yen is down), but I always end up going with a domestic retailer that has collector packaging (TFsource and BBTS).

How does HLJ do packaging wise, and how is their shipping costs?


I can't speak for the US, but I know that when I got MP Soundwave, I had a bulk Private Warehouse shipment sent to me via EMS to Australia which included Encore Anime Devastator and both Cassette sets and I think I paid ¥4500 at the time.

The best shipping deal though was around $140 for 2 Encore Fort Maxes and 6 MG Gundam kits - the package was huge and weighed over 14kg (over 30lbs).

I suspect the shipping wouldn't be that different to the US.

As far as packaging goes, never had a problem - they use reasonable padding and everything is always sent in a sturdy box.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517550)
Posted by megatronus on September 13th, 2013 @ 10:05am CDT
Bowspearer wrote:
megatronus wrote:
Bowspearer wrote:HLJ just put up preorders for Soundblaster & Ratbat for ¥12640 & G2 Sideswipe for ¥5200.

I'm always tempted by HLJ's prices (especially now that the Yen is down), but I always end up going with a domestic retailer that has collector packaging (TFsource and BBTS).

How does HLJ do packaging wise, and how is their shipping costs?


I can't speak for the US, but I know that when I got MP Soundwave, I had a bulk Private Warehouse shipment sent to me via EMS to Australia which included Encore Anime Devastator and both Cassette sets and I think I paid ¥4500 at the time.

The best shipping deal though was around $140 for 2 Encore Fort Maxes and 6 MG Gundam kits - the package was huge and weighed over 14kg (over 30lbs).

I suspect the shipping wouldn't be that different to the US.

As far as packaging goes, never had a problem - they use reasonable padding and everything is always sent in a sturdy box.

Fair enough. Thanks for the info - the key is bulk shipment, it seems. I'm glad you've had a good experience with them!

I may have to test the waters down the line if the Yen holds at its current level or drops. I've got preorders at TFsource for all of the currently announced MPs, but maybe for the next few...
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1517980)
Posted by Sodan-1 on September 15th, 2013 @ 4:13pm CDT
Hasbro Asia has been coming out with some pretty random, out-of-the-blue releases. I think it'd be cool if they eventually released a two-pack of MP Ratbat and the TG20 Senator Ratbat. I'd have no need for it, but it'd be cool.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1518108)
Posted by munkimus prime on September 16th, 2013 @ 12:02pm CDT
I'd like the masterpiece Ratbat but I have no need for another MP Soundwave. G2 Sideswipe looks good but a bit constipated. Takaras Waspy and Rhinox look a bit shiny but I'll probably get them sometime.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1533550)
Posted by Cyberpath on December 6th, 2013 @ 3:17am CST
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Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1536678)
Posted by mooncake623 on December 20th, 2013 @ 3:39pm CST
Does anyone know why Takara Waspinator looks like that? it is less accurate no?
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1544387)
Posted by El Duque on January 23rd, 2014 @ 1:18pm CST
Takara Tomy has updated their online product catalog with official images of Transformers Generations TG-30 Waspinator and TG-31 Rhinox. We've seen these images before, but these are nice and free of any watermarks. Like all figures in this line these two feature alternate decos and metallic paint applications compared to their Hasbro counterparts. Enjoy the images mirrored the below.


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Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1544392)
Posted by GuyIncognito on January 23rd, 2014 @ 1:24pm CST
Meh, I like the Hasbro versions better. Waspy's eyes look nice, but I like yellow and black better than gold and black for a wasp. And Rhinox looks too brown for me. I don't care about cartoon accuracy or comic accuracy; when it comes to beasties, I want the beast mode to look realistic, and I think the color of Hasbro's Rhinox looks more like the grayish color of a real rhino. I do like the chrome-edged blades, though.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1544408)
Posted by Emerje on January 23rd, 2014 @ 2:35pm CST
Rhinox looks like someone went and bronzed a rhino. Can't understand why they would use their metallic coating on this figure's beast parts at all. The gold on Waspinator makes him look a little too Transmetals for my taste. Really don't know what they were thinking with these two. Better paint aps, but with the wrong use of colors is a real shame.

Emerje
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1544422)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 23rd, 2014 @ 2:58pm CST
Dying for in hand pics of these two.
Re: High Quality Official Images Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-12G G2 Sideswipe and MP-13B Soundblaster with Ratbat (1544462)
Posted by Dead Metal on January 23rd, 2014 @ 4:02pm CST
Every time I see these two I question the logic behind making all the fleshy animal parts metallic and all the parts that where shiny metal in the show just dull plastic.
This has got to be some kind of miscommunication, as in someone must have said that they need metallic paint, and somehow someone got confused and painted the wrong parts.
Or the guys in charge of the decos are the same crack heads that did and ruined Henkei Galvatron and make all the bizzar repaints like Pink Movie Starscream, or the original MP Starscream.

I call them crack team crackheads.

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