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Wednesday, January 18th, 2012 2:00AM CST

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It is a world transformed, where things are not what they seem. It is the world of the Stop Online Piracy Act. A world where the Internet as you know it no longer exists. A world of restricted freedom of speech. A world without Transformers fansites such as Seibertron.com. It is up to you to light the Internet's darkest hour to help prevent this dark chaos from happening.

Today, Seibertron.com joins many other major websites such as Google, Reddit, and Wikipedia to strike against censorship. Join us in this historic moment: tell Congress to stop this bill now!

Each and every one of you plays an important part in protecting the Internet as we know it. You can do your part to preserve the sites that you love. Tell Congress: Don't Censor The Web.

For additional information about SOPA and PIPA and why Seibertron.com is involved, please click here.
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Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335134)
Posted by Dead Metal on January 18th, 2012 @ 2:19am CST
I think it's a shame that google isn't joining in the blackout, if they did, nobody would be able to do anything and the politicians would realise what's going on.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335136)
Posted by metaphorge on January 18th, 2012 @ 2:33am CST
Dead Metal wrote:I think it's a shame that google isn't joining in the blackout, if they did, nobody would be able to do anything and the politicians would realise what's going on.

Agreed, though the header on their homepage is pretty attention-getting: Image
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335137)
Posted by dinogeist on January 18th, 2012 @ 2:40am CST
Dead Metal wrote:I think it's a shame that google isn't joining in the blackout, if they did, nobody would be able to do anything and the politicians would realise what's going on.


I think if Google,U-tube,ebay & amazon.com all joined in the blackout strike. then this all would severly cripple the internet. and might cancel out this bill.

Personally from my persepective this bill exist to cancel out all the Fan sites. which is a pure shame because these fan sites help advertise the companies products via news,pics & forums.

it's kinda sad these law makers,congress & elected officials create all these laws but their the first ones to break them.

Like I said in a earlier reply. These bills ain't gonna stop the piracy of recording lisecensed media product illegially. people will simply piracy the old fashioned way. (1) most cable channels have dozens of music video channels. people will simply record them using a DVD Recorder player. (2) people will buy the liscensed music/mmovies at stores. then use various dvd/vhs players or their computers to make bootleg copies. (2a) if anything this will cause a spike in sales on the illegial bootleg business of DVD/CD from those who buy the liscensed media product from stores,then get DVD players or their computers to make illegial copies on to blank dvd/CD's disk.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335138)
Posted by Seibertron on January 18th, 2012 @ 2:51am CST
TigerMegatron wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:I think it's a shame that google isn't joining in the blackout, if they did, nobody would be able to do anything and the politicians would realise what's going on.


I think if Google,U-tube,ebay & amazon.com all joined in the blackout strike. then this all would severly cripple the internet. and might cancel out this bill.

Personally from my persepective this bill exist to cancel out all the Fan sites. which is a pure shame because these fan sites help advertise the companies products via news,pics & forums.

it's kinda sad these law makers,congress & elected officials create all these laws but their the first ones to break them.

Like I said in a earlier reply. These bills ain't gonna stop the piracy of recording lisecensed media product illegially. people will simply this the old fashioned way. (1) most cable channels have dozens of music video channels. people will simply record them using a DVD Recorder player. (2) people will buy the liscensed music/mmovies at stores. then use various dvd/vhs players or their computers to make bootleg copies. (2a) if anything this will cause a spike in sales on the illegial bootleg business of DVD/CD from those who buy the liscensed media product from stores,then get DVD players or their computers to make illegial copies on to blank dvd/CD's disk.


Google is involved ... not sure why you guys are saying they're not. Go to Google.com ... their logo is blacked out and it links to the form on their site that I'm linking to. They can't turn off their whole site like Wikipedia because they also have a responsibility to their advertisers, like Seibertron.com does to its advertisers. This responsibility to others restricts exactly what we can and can't do. I think the solution I came up with gets the point across and will keep the site's advertisers happy.

I think if the legislation was passed, that you'd see a much larger revolt that involved the likes of large e-commerce sites like eBay or Amazon. Not necessary at this stage in my opinion.

Some sites like Reddit aren't starting their push until tomorrow morning (8am Eastern).
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335139)
Posted by dinogeist on January 18th, 2012 @ 2:58am CST
Seibertron wrote:
TigerMegatron wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:I think it's a shame that google isn't joining in the blackout, if they did, nobody would be able to do anything and the politicians would realise what's going on.


I think if Google,U-tube,ebay & amazon.com all joined in the blackout strike. then this all would severly cripple the internet. and might cancel out this bill.

Personally from my persepective this bill exist to cancel out all the Fan sites. which is a pure shame because these fan sites help advertise the companies products via news,pics & forums.

it's kinda sad these law makers,congress & elected officials create all these laws but their the first ones to break them.

Like I said in a earlier reply. These bills ain't gonna stop the piracy of recording lisecensed media product illegially. people will simply this the old fashioned way. (1) most cable channels have dozens of music video channels. people will simply record them using a DVD Recorder player. (2) people will buy the liscensed music/mmovies at stores. then use various dvd/vhs players or their computers to make bootleg copies. (2a) if anything this will cause a spike in sales on the illegial bootleg business of DVD/CD from those who buy the liscensed media product from stores,then get DVD players or their computers to make illegial copies on to blank dvd/CD's disk.


Google is involved ... not sure why you guys are saying they're not. Go to Google.com ... their logo is blacked out and it links to the form on their site that I'm linking to. They can't turn off their whole site like Wikipedia because they also have a responsibility to their advertisers, like Seibertron.com does to its advertisers.

Some sites like Reddit aren't starting their push until tomorrow morning (8am Eastern).


I'm curious,does this google black out effect usenet news groups?

What exactly will the black out for google do? will it prevent usenet members who use the google portal from posting & replying to threads? will google shut down for a while?

Since google & U-tube joined forces. does this google blackout also effect u-tube? I ask this because I've been a google/usenet/u-tube member for years. apparently when users create a google usenet account & you-tube account. the partnership between google & you-tube makes it the same exact singular user name. in other words I use the same exact user name & password to log in/out of my you-tube & google account.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335141)
Posted by Seibertron on January 18th, 2012 @ 3:01am CST
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335142)
Posted by Dead Metal on January 18th, 2012 @ 3:04am CST
Must be only google us who block their logo, google Germany is still the same, no sign of sopa etc.

If google just stopped working for a couple of hours, it would create mass hysteria which would be good to get attention to the cause.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335143)
Posted by metaphorge on January 18th, 2012 @ 3:07am CST
TigerMegatron wrote:I'm curious,does this google black out effect usenet news groups?

What exactly will the black out for google do? will it prevent usenet members who use the google portal from posting & replying to threads? will google shut down for a while?

Since google & U-tube joined forces. does this google blackout also effect u-tube? I ask this because I've been a google/usenet/u-tube member for years. apparently when users create a google usenet account & you-tube account. the partnership between google & you-tube makes it the same exact singular user name. in other words I use the same exact user name & password to log in/out of my you-tube & google account.

Google has not chosen to suspend any of its services at this time. If they did choose to "shut off" it would likely take the form of a redirect from a portion of their web addresses to a page urging us to contact our legislators, similar to the one Wikipedia presently displays. As Seibertron pointed out above its unlikely Google will completely cease operation but they have a number of options to put the issue more directly 'in the face' of its users if this nonsense carries on.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335146)
Posted by SkyWarpt on January 18th, 2012 @ 3:26am CST
My company will be joining in the blackout.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335149)
Posted by Psychout on January 18th, 2012 @ 4:06am CST
Anyone seen The Oatmeal yet today? :lol:
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335150)
Posted by SkyWarpt on January 18th, 2012 @ 4:14am CST
I decided instead to make a direct link to the Google petition page as the homepage. That oatmeal skit was funny as H-E double hockey sticks BTW! :lol:
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335151)
Posted by Psychout on January 18th, 2012 @ 4:23am CST
Huge props to everyone that has joined the blackout, be it here at Seibetron or at your own sites. All of you are working to ensure the Internet in kept safe from stupid litigation, keep up
The great work!!
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335173)
Posted by Forgotten on January 18th, 2012 @ 7:41am CST
I have done what I can, I mirrored stopsopa on my business website southerncustomcomputers.com. I have been blowing up my social networking trying to get the word out. I even have a package on the way to my state senator, my own little SOPA/PIPA guide. A copy of Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451, some duct tape & a miniature football helmet(real one too large to mail). He's smart enough to get the gist of it. We all have to be vigilant, we can not remain anonymous anymore. This is the time that we must all give up a little of our comfort to support not only our rights, but the rights for all generations to come. The internet is a tool. Let's show them how skilled we are in using it. Don't give up, don't rest, stay on them. We already have the basics of Marshall Law available for them to use on us, let's not let them also take away our way to research & protest these idiotic & antiquated ideals they are forcing upon us. :CON: :KREMZEEK:


PS: glad you're a part of this fight Ryan.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335178)
Posted by noctorro on January 18th, 2012 @ 7:49am CST
Sucks I guess.

Anyway how does this end the internet?

I mean, since when is America the boss of the entire planet?
Did I miss a memo?

If it passes, then it'll be the seibertron underground resistance.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335181)
Posted by Forgotten on January 18th, 2012 @ 8:03am CST
noctorro wrote:Sucks I guess.

Anyway how does this end the internet?

I mean, since when is America the boss of the entire planet?
Did I miss a memo?

If it passes, then it'll be the seibertron underground resistance.


This will give a small group an oppurtunity to control what can be learned, seen & done by the masses. If it passes in the US then it WILL make it's way elsewhere. Things like this never stop, they keep moving forward. Think of the chaos theory.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335183)
Posted by Autobot032 on January 18th, 2012 @ 8:09am CST
noctorro wrote:Sucks I guess.


Uh...yes, yes it does.

noctorro wrote:Anyway how does this end the internet?

I mean, since when is America the boss of the entire planet?
Did I miss a memo?


First off, no one's claimed any such thing.

Second, if this goes through, it'll cripple the internet. People will be afraid to use it, not to mention, be angry. The bill's ambiguous wording makes it a very dangerous piece of power. People could go to jail simply for coming here, or watching YouTube.

Third, it's a proven fact that we and other countries buy from one another via the 'net. If we wall ourselves in with this bill, people won't be able to get in, we can't see out and becomee the next China or North Korea.

Fourth, other countries might follow suit, seems the UK is already, and soon we could see an empty internet that has next to no people using it. If the US, a beacon of freedom, can pull thisoff on it's people, then other countries can and will.

noctorro wrote:If it passes, then it'll be the seibertron underground resistance.


There won't be a resistance. We'll all be too afraid to use the internet, in any fashion. No, that's not a joke.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335189)
Posted by Swindle01 on January 18th, 2012 @ 8:39am CST
god bless america

USA USA USA

your becoming more like china every day


seriously doesnt america have more to worry about than passing this crap? i dunno like maybe stopping another ressesion? perhaps stopping homophobic/sexist/none global warming beliving morons from the republics from becoming president maybe?
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335214)
Posted by Seibertron on January 18th, 2012 @ 10:15am CST
I woke up this morning to WGN Radio's Mike McConnell talking about this whole topic on his show. That made me happy. I turned on CNN Headline News to see if this was getting coverage there. It was. That made me happy. At least until the show's host said something about "in the interest of full disclosure, Headline News is owned by Time Warner which supports these bills." * sigh *

Just changed the channel to CNN. They're currently talking about the search for survivors from the cruise ship is over.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335223)
Posted by Forgotten on January 18th, 2012 @ 10:36am CST
Seibertron wrote:I woke up this morning to WGN Radio's Mike McConnell talking about this whole topic on his show. That made me happy. I turned on CNN Headline News to see if this was getting coverage there. It was. That made me happy. At least until the show's host said something about "in the interest of full disclosure, Headline News is owned by Time Warner which supports these bills." * sigh *

Just changed the channel to CNN. They're currently talking about the search for survivors from the cruise ship is over.



Since I run the websites, networks & domains of my customers I have blacked out all sites I am affiliated with & I am having a small conference with all of my business customers this evening explaining the acts in depth with them as well as informing them on steps they should take to oppose it & asking them to use all of their personal social networking sites to help spread awareness & inform others on how to take a stand against this.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335229)
Posted by Seibertron on January 18th, 2012 @ 10:46am CST
Nice to see fellow Transformers fansites TFormers.com and Allspark.com join the battle as well. Allspark.com is redirecting everyone from their domain to sopastrike.com.

YouTube personality Optibotimus shut his YouTube account down for the day. http://www.youtube.com/optibotimus

Kudos to everyone who does their part to bring attention to this issue!
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335237)
Posted by Seibertron on January 18th, 2012 @ 11:03am CST
4chan.org took a unique approach by blacking out the text that people post.

http://boards.4chan.org/tv/res/20534923#20534923
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335251)
Posted by Bad Wolf on January 18th, 2012 @ 11:55am CST
i just went direct and black out my whole site and replaced it with a stop sopa image..clicdev has also taken the initiative and done the same to all their forums as well..
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335253)
Posted by Psychout on January 18th, 2012 @ 11:58am CST
Seibertron wrote:4chan.org took a unique approach by blacking out the text that people post.

http://boards.4chan.org/tv/res/20534923#20534923
I think everything 4chan does can be classed as 'unique' :lol:
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335255)
Posted by optibotimus on January 18th, 2012 @ 12:02pm CST
Seibertron wrote:Nice to see fellow Transformers fansites TFormers.com and Allspark.com join the battle as well. Allspark.com is redirecting everyone from their domain to sopastrike.com.

YouTube personality Optibotimus shut his YouTube account down for the day. http://www.youtube.com/optibotimus

Kudos to everyone who does their part to bring attention to this issue!


I said this via tweet...but i wanted to say it again. I really do appreciate all the support i'm getting in doing this. Especially from you and Seibertron. I decided to do this a couple days ago and felt i would be the only one "standing up" in protest. So many people talk about how SOPA and such are bad for everyone...yet don't seem to want to actually do anything about it. I know i'm a small person and nothing i do will probably amount to a hill of beans in the grand scheme of things. But if i can "inconvenience" someone by turning off my content on youtube, maybe it'll help raise awareness. I really felt alone in this. Seeing other sites and other respected people doing this, especially in our community..really really made me feel good. Reading the tweet i got from Seibertron this morning, instantly made me feel proud of what i was doing. Thank you guys! Another friend of mine said i was being courageous for doing this...someone else strongly disagreed. But...isn't standing up for something you believe in, regardless if it makes a difference or not, something that takes courage?
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335258)
Posted by Seibertron on January 18th, 2012 @ 12:11pm CST
optibotimus wrote:I said this via tweet...but i wanted to say it again. I really do appreciate all the support i'm getting in doing this. Especially from you and Seibertron. I decided to do this a couple days ago and felt i would be the only one "standing up" in protest.


We've been debating/discussing on how to handle this situation on Seibertron.com since November. I wanted to wait until I heard if there was going to be an organized protest. I knew the legislation would have too large of an impact for the big sites to not do anything.

Fellow Seibertronian staff members Dead_Metal and Psychout were both very influential into what I did with the site. I was very moved that two foreign staff members from the other side of the pond were so passionate about legislation in our country. That really said something to me about how serious this issue was ... and that I needed to do something.

optibotimus wrote:So many people talk about how SOPA and such are bad for everyone...yet don't seem to want to actually do anything about it. I know i'm a small person and nothing i do will probably amount to a hill of beans in the grand scheme of things. But if i can "inconvenience" someone by turning off my content on youtube, maybe it'll help raise awareness. I really felt alone in this. Seeing other sites and other respected people doing this, especially in our community..really really made me feel good. Reading the tweet i got from Seibertron this morning, instantly made me feel proud of what i was doing. Thank you guys! Another friend of mine said i was being courageous for doing this...someone else strongly disagreed. But...isn't standing up for something you believe in, regardless if it makes a difference or not, something that takes courage?


Just tell yourself this ... one Egyptian alone was unable to build the pyramids, but when they worked together they were able to build some of most beautiful structures in the entire world. Together, united, we can do greatness.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335259)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on January 18th, 2012 @ 12:13pm CST
Seibertron wrote:Just tell yourself this ... one Egyptian alone was unable to build the pyramids, but when they worked together they were able to build some of most beautiful structures in the entire world. Together, united, we can do greatness.


No! Incorrect! We obviously need help from the Predators on this. They need to get into senate and then turn on their self-des-... you know what, nevermind.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335285)
Posted by steve2275 on January 18th, 2012 @ 1:14pm CST
http://lifeaftersopa.cheezburger.com/

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.3261:

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/sh ... stcount=11


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Welcome to the World Wide Web of America... Where we control what you say, what you post, what you think, what you can download, what you are allowed to see online & what we think you can write on facebook.

Not an american Citizen you say? Don't worry, we have control of your rights too, even if your countries rights are controlled differently to ours. If you are online you ARE on American soil.

To Hans in Germany we had to delete your facebook post about calling your mother a ****** **** of ***** suck ***** because it is hurtful to other peoples feelings.

To mr Chan In Burhma we could not allow your email to arrive to your intended sender as you claimed you are living in a poor state of affairs with war happening in your country and saying America should come and liberate you is not your right to say online. America decides who it goes to war with and your comments breach the World Wide Web of Americas policy of censorship.
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Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335292)
Posted by AustinHoffman on January 18th, 2012 @ 1:41pm CST
This is just terrible....SOPA is the equivalent of curing a headache with a guillotine. It may stop piracy, but it would shut down our economy and unconstitutionally erode our most basic freedoms in the process.

I just hope that everyone realizes how important this is and does their part to save the internet & our economy! ...here is another good video that explains the consequences of SOPA pretty well:
http://www.peeje.com/peeje-goes-strike-stop-web-censorship-bills-congress-209/

1,000s of more websites have joined the force and went dark today, we need EVERYONES help!!!!
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335336)
Posted by same138 on January 18th, 2012 @ 2:57pm CST
While I don't go actively looking for info on US Law-making I still find it hard to believe that the first place I heard of these proposed legislations was on a fan site for toys! My Thanks to Ryan and the Seibertron crew for the information on this and for the link to the Outside US Petition.

It's a pity Google seem to have limited their 'blackout' to Google.Com, the UK site is business as usual, they missed an opportunity to give more publicity to this outside the US I feel.

Keep up the good work!
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335361)
Posted by Mindmaster on January 18th, 2012 @ 3:43pm CST
Don't have to ask me twice. :grin:
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335391)
Posted by Swindle01 on January 18th, 2012 @ 4:27pm CST
Just tell yourself this ... one Egyptian alone was unable to build the pyramids, but when they worked together they were able to build some of most beautiful structures in the entire world. Together, united, we can do greatness.


wow someone doesnt have an education....

the pyramids were made by egyptians using SLAVES (mostly jewish slaves and poor people) and very VERY large whips with barbs on them. Dont go thinking the pyramids were built out of nice-ness. When you look at a pyramid remember ALOT of people died making those things and all those people who made it were mainly forced

Its even in the bible about how harsh egyptians were, theres a whole bit on it - parting of red sea? that lot who ran away? mostly ended up suffering in the deserts onces they actually managed to get away?
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335398)
Posted by Psychout on January 18th, 2012 @ 4:57pm CST
Well done, completely missed the point there... :APPLAUSE:




Anyway, on a lighter note, it would appear http://www.eyebleach.com are also joining the SOPA protest
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335399)
Posted by Mindmaster on January 18th, 2012 @ 4:57pm CST
Swindle01 wrote:
Just tell yourself this ... one Egyptian alone was unable to build the pyramids, but when they worked together they were able to build some of most beautiful structures in the entire world. Together, united, we can do greatness.


wow someone doesnt have an education....

the pyramids were made by egyptians using SLAVES (mostly jewish slaves and poor people) and very VERY large whips with barbs on them. Dont go thinking the pyramids were built out of nice-ness. When you look at a pyramid remember ALOT of people died making those things and all those people who made it were mainly forced

Its even in the bible about how harsh egyptians were, theres a whole bit on it - parting of red sea? that lot who ran away? mostly ended up suffering in the deserts onces they actually managed to get away?


Dude, you don't have to be a smartass about it. It's just a figure of speech, which I thought made a good explanation of what our goal is.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335415)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on January 18th, 2012 @ 5:42pm CST
And if you wanna get picky, the Egyptians actually didn't use slaves, but rather a labour force that were treated fairly well, given food and water, and were not forced barbarically to do the Egyptians bidding. It was just ancient employment. Also:
"Contrary to some popular depictions, the pyramid builders were not slaves or foreigners. Excavated skeletons show that they were Egyptians who lived in villages developed and overseen by the pharaoh's supervisors."
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/pyramids/pyramids.html
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335428)
Posted by Seibertron on January 18th, 2012 @ 6:02pm CST
Swindle01 wrote:
Just tell yourself this ... one Egyptian alone was unable to build the pyramids, but when they worked together they were able to build some of most beautiful structures in the entire world. Together, united, we can do greatness.


wow someone doesnt have an education....

the pyramids were made by egyptians using SLAVES (mostly jewish slaves and poor people) and very VERY large whips with barbs on them. Dont go thinking the pyramids were built out of nice-ness. When you look at a pyramid remember ALOT of people died making those things and all those people who made it were mainly forced

Its even in the bible about how harsh egyptians were, theres a whole bit on it - parting of red sea? that lot who ran away? mostly ended up suffering in the deserts onces they actually managed to get away?


You missed the point of what I was saying. Either way, please keep this topic on track about SOPA, PIPA, etc. Thanks.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335451)
Posted by Seibertron on January 18th, 2012 @ 6:52pm CST
Swindle01 wrote:
Just tell yourself this ... one Egyptian alone was unable to build the pyramids, but when they worked together they were able to build some of most beautiful structures in the entire world. Together, united, we can do greatness.


wow someone doesnt have an education...

the pyramids were made by egyptians using SLAVES (mostly jewish slaves and poor people) and very VERY large whips with barbs on them. Dont go thinking the pyramids were built out of nice-ness. When you look at a pyramid remember ALOT of people died making those things and all those people who made it were mainly forced

Its even in the bible about how harsh egyptians were, theres a whole bit on it - parting of red sea? that lot who ran away? mostly ended up suffering in the deserts onces they actually managed to get away?


I didn't realize that a quote which referenced one of the 7 wonders of the ancient world would become controversial on some level. Many sources, including National Geographic and other experts in the field, state that recent findings show the exact opposite.

From Wikipedia: "The Greeks believed that slave labour was used, but modern discoveries made at nearby worker's camps associated with construction at Giza suggest it was built instead by tens of thousands of skilled workers. Verner posited that the labor was organized into a hierarchy, consisting of two gangs of 100,000 men, divided into five zaa or phyle of 20,000 men each, which may have been further divided according to the skills of the workers"

From National Geographic: "Contrary to some popular depictions, the pyramid builders were not slaves or foreigners. Excavated skeletons show that they were Egyptians who lived in villages developed and overseen by the pharaoh's supervisors."

Skeptoid.com does a pretty good job of debunking this religious based Sunday school myth.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335463)
Posted by Agamemnon on January 18th, 2012 @ 7:18pm CST
Back on topic, did you all know that SOPA was shelved by its sponsor, most likely due to these protests and opposition by the White House over the weekend?

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/01/16/1457237/house-kills-sopa

That just leaves PIPA. And SOPA in another form is quite likely. I did write my congresspeople, which I have not often done. I also spread the word through my FaceBook page, even though I use that primarily for educational purposes. (I am IT Faculty for a college.) Even though SOPA is dead, we should not relax until PIPA suffers the same fate. Too often the Govn't sacrifices liberties of law abiding citizens to get at the criminals who are not going to pay attention to the law anyway.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335472)
Posted by Psychout on January 18th, 2012 @ 8:01pm CST
Unfortunately, results of the blackout notwithstanding, SOPA is still a possibility, as it is returning for discussion again in Feb

This was announced yesterday, but considering the number of senators tha have bailed on PIPA (13 by the last count on Reddit) and the sheer mountain of coverage this has got so far, it's difficult to see how either of them can continue, but it's not like Hollywood is good at picking up on subtleties...
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Posted by Pontimax 01 on January 18th, 2012 @ 8:12pm CST
I find it vulgar that certain senators and representatives are speaking out against the blackout by arguing that these sites are denying their services to their users. That it is an "abuse of power". That it's punishing users and turning them into corporate pawns, so says former Senator Chris Dodd... chairman of the MIAA, who is calling it "irresponsible".

Seriously, didn't you people all know that we should take our medicine and go lie down like good little sheep? They obviously know what's best for all of us.


I find it distasteful that I had to go to the BBC News site to read decent coverage of these events. I feel like our media is rolling over and playing dead in comparison. CNN is far more underwhelming in comparison to the BBC articles. Instead they make sure to announce that they are a Time Warner owned company, with TW supporting the bills.
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Posted by Autobot032 on January 19th, 2012 @ 4:04am CST
This...is scary.

It's long winded, he's annoying, but he has proof to back up his accusations and it's a very interesting piece.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335568)
Posted by Psychout on January 19th, 2012 @ 4:20am CST
As the Internet slowly returns to normal and the dust settles, are there any sites that you guys think deserve a special mention for going over and beyond the call?

I'll collect a few links to images and sites in a bit, but if there are any that made you guys really think about what we are doing, please feel free to tell us about it!

Special thanks to Ryan for putting the protest page up here, and to the other fansites who took part. This was a day about spreading the word and thanks to that page, Seibertrons many many visitors hopefully now know exactly how bad for the internet these bills are.

Thank you all for doing your part, but we're not done yet.
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Posted by SirSoundwaveIV on January 19th, 2012 @ 2:41pm CST
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16642369

BBC brings up a very good note on the bottom of this, oddly enough this shut down could hurt SOPA/PIPA even more.
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Posted by Psychout on January 19th, 2012 @ 5:18pm CST
So Megaupload is gone.

The US government can just waltz into New Zealand and arrest the sites owners, shutting down a Hong Kong based company with a ludicrous amount of financial losses as the 'reason'.
The same thing happened to a UK student about a week ago, he's currently fighting extradition charges. Due to the 'roll over for your masters'-style extradition treaty we have with the US it's pretty likely that he'll be on a plane shortly too.

Makes you wonder what the point of the whole SOPA/PIPA debate when the US will just do whatever the **** it wants regardless. This is the just the tip of the iceberg, when the MPAA get to dictate who is arrested across 9 countries based on hypothetical losses then you know the end is nigh.

I'll be following the fallout from this, there will be a lot of very pissed off legal Megaupload customers wanting their files back, and an Internet full of people who will find this abhorrent and will want to act. Let's hope it's begun before 4chan becomes a casualty - the fallout from that will be catastrophic, and not just for the internet.
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Posted by Forgotten on January 19th, 2012 @ 5:39pm CST
I was coming to post about the Megaupload thing as well. Did you see Anonymous' response? Shutting down the DOJ MPAA & RIAA websites? I do believe this is going to be the "call to arms" that most people have been waiting for. Considering the "ethics" of some of the hackers out there, I almost feel bad for what these people will probably end up going through. Almost.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335851)
Posted by Seibertron on January 19th, 2012 @ 5:41pm CST
Not surprised about Megaupload. Curious to hear more about it.

Just remember ... we weren't advocating stopping the US government from stopping known piracy websites. We were advocating against stopping SOPA and PIPA which could hurt all sites. If the government wants to legally go after sites that are havens for pirated music, movies, etc ... they can have at it and they should have at it.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335852)
Posted by Psychout on January 19th, 2012 @ 5:47pm CST
*grabs popcorn*
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335853)
Posted by Forgotten on January 19th, 2012 @ 5:48pm CST
Seibertron wrote:Not surprised about Megaupload. Curious to hear more about it.

Just remember ... we weren't advocating stopping the US government from stopping known piracy websites. We were advocating against stopping SOPA and PIPA which could hurt all sites. If the government wants to legally go after sites that are havens for pirated music, movies, etc ... they can have at it and they should have at it.

Agreed. Just how they did it seems like a violation of personal rights to me.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335856)
Posted by Psychout on January 19th, 2012 @ 5:58pm CST
Megauploads demise is a prime example of one of the sore issues with the bills we are fighting. As soon as DCMA was served they removed the content but Megaupload constituted 4% of the entire Internet (source:Megauploads own promotional video), how can any site be expected to filter that much data?

On this basis the accusation that it was a 'haven for pirates' was made and the Feds shut it down. Removing and prosecuting pirates I'm ok with. Taking down a massive resource such as that in this way? Not cool.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335858)
Posted by Seibertron on January 19th, 2012 @ 6:07pm CST
I'm all for shutting down sites that provide a safe haven for the illegal downloading of pirated music, software, movies, etc. I'm all for the government shutting down sites that violate the law in a legal manner. I'm not informed enough about the MegaUpload situation to have a firm opinion of it but I'm sure a PR firm would probably agree with me that the timing of what the govt did was very poor timing and a very poor decision, especially after the highs of yesterday and while everyone had a protest mentality. I'm against the Anonymous hacker group attacking government websites in retaliation.
Re: Seibertron.com joins massive online protest against SOPA and PIPA (1335886)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on January 19th, 2012 @ 8:18pm CST
Just wanted to say that I don't agree with attacking sites that allow people to download music or movies, since this is a resource for people who, through some bad fortune, lost the original movie or music or software that they purchased.
I'm sure a lot of the people who download music or movies probably aren't going to spend that money on the artist even if they could't download it for free, due to being poor to begin with. On top of that, they're basically killing a form of marketing that could serve them in making their name popular, or giving people a reason to love their movies/music/whatever enough to buy it. As for cracking games, well... there aren't enough people with the time/expertise to crack a lot of current games since they are much more complex than previous years, so there isn't much of a dent in funds as a result. (BTW I don't just mean downloading and installing a cracked game, I'm talking about actually getting that downloaded cracked game to work with your particular rig)

Its just greed, plain and simple. I believe people shouldn't have their IP copied blatently to be resold, but thats not the same thing as sites that allow the free download of media.
/rant

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