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Rodimus Prime wrote:Is Ratchet really dead, though? We didn't see his spark destroyed, and IIRC they made it a point in the movie to tell us that that's the soul of a Transformer and as long as it stays intact everything else can be rebuilt. Or does Megatron's DoTM "death" and subsequent AoE resurrection contradict that? Again I say, I wish Bayverse wasn't such a mess story-wise.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
But it wasn't destroyed, Lockdown kept it as a souvenir. Optimus did believe Ratchet died so I guess that's as close to a confirmation as we'll get. I'm willing to accept that Ratchet died, but not because his spark was ripped out. A Transformer can survive that.Deadput wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Is Ratchet really dead, though? We didn't see his spark destroyed, and IIRC they made it a point in the movie to tell us that that's the soul of a Transformer and as long as it stays intact everything else can be rebuilt. Or does Megatron's DoTM "death" and subsequent AoE resurrection contradict that? Again I say, I wish Bayverse wasn't such a mess story-wise.
His spark was ripped out violently with the wires still attached
Rodimus Prime wrote:He planned to wipe out humanity and destroy Earth to rebuild Cybertron. Premeditated global mass murder qualifies as evil don't you think? Even though as was stated in DoTM Earth was a pre-planned meeting place for Sentinel and Megatron "so many years ago." I haven't read any other movieverse support material so I don't know if it was ever explained if there was life on this planet when that decision was made. If we go by Bayverse chronology it had to be after the Star Harvester was built by The Fallen and by then there was sentient life here so that means Sentinel made a conscious decision to wipe out the entire population of a planet when he could have found an uninhabited planet to use. Or maybe as it was said, they needed slaves to help rebuild. Man I wish Bayverse wasn't such a jumbled mess story-wise.Michael Alex Kawa wrote:Also in a way was Sentinel really "evil", he just wanted to save his planet and his race from extinction and as he explained "You simply fail to understand that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."I doubt the Autobots would have approved.Sure from a human perspective he would seem like the "big ol' bad guy", but if you were a Cybertronian he very well could have been your savior.I agree that the line fit well with Sentinel's intentions but I think it was written after Nimoy's involvement was decided. As Sabrblade said, it's what he's most famous for. Not the line per se, but the event (Spock's death) that's associated with it.I thought the line was used perfectly in both context of his motives and as a cool homage.
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