Sub-Prime wrote:The Galvatron body is alive though. Just like Bumblebee was alive when Megs took over his body. All the human made Transformers is alive because Megs brain fed them the ingredients to their biology. But ultimately they didn't require a soul. Just remote controlled Cybertronians. But Megs inserted his mind in the Galvatron body.
If something has no soul, it's not alive. That's one of the fundamental basics of being alive.
Same with Transformers. Outside of very special circumstances (one of which I'll get into below), no spark = no life.
Sub-Prime wrote:You also remember in TF Prime that Megs spark was extinguished when Starscream pulled the shard from his chest yet his brain still function on a life support like system? I think the reason why it's hard for folks to grasp this is because Transformers is kind of a complex story in itself. Far from grounded stuff.
He still had Dark Energon coursing through his system. Though he was without a spark, the Anti-Spark and Blood of Unicron kept him alive, but just barely. Until he got that bigger chunk of Dark Energon put into him that was enough to fully revive him, he treaded upon the thin line between life and death.
And he later got his spark fully back once he was finally purged of Unicron entirely at the end of "Predacons Rising".
Cyberpath wrote:Well, I was speaking for myself. I can't watch a show or a movie for nostalgia over and over. I really liked He-Man and She-Ra back in the day, doesn't mean I can watch those now. Certainly not more than once.
If you don't still find any enjoyment out of those shows today, then you're not nostalgic towards them. Nothing wrong with that.
Cyberpath wrote:I've always been aware of the animation errors in G1. I don't find them charming (except for Carnage in C-Minor, where they are really out there and on a whole new level.) Yes, it's unfortunate when one of the Decepticon jets is coloured like the other, or when a character speaks while another's lips are moving. But the show isn't plagued with as many animation errors as people remember, and the overall quality of the show dwarfs those errors.
Some sites, such as TFWiki, have gone and documented all of the animation and continuity errors to statistically show just have many errors there were indeed in that show. So it isn't a case misremembering in that regard.
Cyberpath wrote:Ironically, if anything is nostalgic it's the newer shows, because they still draw upon the original. Even direct quotes. Until the day that they start using all-new characters, new names, personalities, backstory etc, it's all, in a way, just an extension of G1.
It's not the shows that are nostalgic, but the people who make them that are, since they're the ones who put those references into them.
Cyberpath wrote:And likewise, newer isn't always better.
When I elaborated why I like G1 best "first" wasn't one of the reasons.
In my case, if I had to objectively look at all the TF cartoons that came after G1 and, putting all my personal feelings about each one aside, had to objectively determine which ones were of a better overall quality than the G1 cartoon, I'd have to narrow it down to Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Cybertron, Animated, Prime, and Rescue Bots, simply due to each of these feeling more refined and like they've learned from past experiences to improve upon what all had come before them. The G1 cartoon did do some things better, but in the long run, it feels like more work, care, and effort went into these other ones to try to give us something worthwhile about each. After all, the G1 cartoon was indeed treated as "just another job" by its makers and actors, rather than a serious piece of work for most of them.
Cyberpath wrote:IIRC Galvatron spoke his first line only after Prime's, and his comeback could be taken as ironic or biting.
Right, and I said that he spoke it in acknowledgement of Prime's declaration, affirming it.
Cyberpath wrote:The humans designed the robot after Optimus Prime (hence the semi-truck mode) but Megatron kept changing its appearance to match his own likeness, and kept adding the hole in the chest. So perhaps the cavity in Galvatron's chest was there to house Megatron's spark?
One would think, had the movie made an attempt to show his spark somehow restored so that it could be housed in there. But it never did, as though it forgot to.
Clunker wrote:Sub-Prime wrote:Clunker wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Clunker wrote:Maybe the all spark ended up ingraining memory etc into Megatron's body to try and cope with the amount of energy being infused into Megatrons original spark, thus meaning the entirety of megatrons body had some sense of megatron's spark and memories, not just his spark?
Come again?
When sam forced the all spark into megatron's spark perhaps the all spark forced part or some of megatron's spark out to make room for itself but because there was so many it obviously killed him but perhaps megatron's spark ended up going into the rest of his body as it had no where else to go, so megatron's very body had part of his spark infused into it.
That is a good theory. He looked like he overloaded on allspark energy in the first movie. I also believe the spark was infused in body but particularly his brain. His brain was the only functioning brain out of the dead Cybertronians.
Yeah which is why it could make sense for Megatron's brain to give the information needed to Brains without the presence of his actual spark.
Except that the AllSpark is life to these people. If they have AllSpark energy coursing through their bodies, that's a sign of them being alive. When Megatron died, his body was rendered powerless, with no more energy flowing through it. When the shard revived him in ROTF, the AllSpark energy renewed his body with life. If his body still had AllSpark energy in it, wouldn't it stand to reason that he wasn't dead?
Plus, he didn't have his body anymore by this point, since was just a head in this movie.
Sub-Prime wrote:I find it funny that critics say these films are brainless yet I have always found myself figuring out stuff by using the old nogging. And then other films which aren't called brainless typically has a plot that needs no brain work because everything is forced fed to you. I guess that's why I loved Prometheus. It left questions and I can't wait for part 2
When the critics call something "brainless", they don't mean "it doesn't make the audience ask questions", they mean "it has no nutritional substance that stimulates highbrow thinking". And they're right. This movie doesn't have any of that since it's only meant to be pure fun and stimulate us on a "thrill ride" level rather than a deeper or scholarly level. It's not meant to be insightful, it meant to be "a kids movie for adults".