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[VirusCarnage]

I,for one,enjoyed it for what it was,a movie with robots and explosions. As I enjoyed the other 3.If I wanted a well thought out Transformer movie,I'd watch the one from '86. :michaelbay:

Am I the only one here who actually thinks the '86 movie WASN'T well thought out? >:oP

I think G1 as a series wasn't well thought out and especially the movie. I think the whole purpose of the movie was to kill off most of the cast so more toys could be made for new cast members.

I still have a certain respect for the series and movie for being the first, but that's about it.

[Slashercon]

I,for one,enjoyed it for what it was,a movie with robots and explosions. As I enjoyed the other 3.If I wanted a well thought out Transformer movie,I'd watch the one from '86. :michaelbay:

Am I the only one here who actually thinks the '86 movie WASN'T well thought out? >:oP

I think G1 as a series wasn't well thought out and especially the movie. I think the whole purpose of the movie was to kill off most of the cast so more toys could be made for new cast members.

I still have a certain respect for the series and movie for being the first, but that's about it.

Amen. However, I still hold G1 among the "big four" for me.

[SKYWARPED_128]

I,for one,enjoyed it for what it was,a movie with robots and explosions. As I enjoyed the other 3.If I wanted a well thought out Transformer movie,I'd watch the one from '86.

I don't see how AOE isn't "well thought out." Everything made sense, everything was in its perfect place. The only thing that could have been explained better was where Optimus got his ability to fly. I mean, for me, it's obvious he gained the ability by going "knight mode," but a lot of people still can't see it, and still can't accept it.

The whole knight thing could also have been explained better. As could the fact that almost every human on the planet has Alzheimer's and completely forgot that they already exiled the Autobots once, and their return is the only thing that saved the planet from Decepticon-imposed slavery. As could the sudden appearance of Drift, Hound, and whoever the heck the third one was. As could the Government's being unable to find Optimus for so long despite the Energon detectors that have been installed everywhere since Dark of the Moon. As could Optimus's suddenly knowing exactly how to awaken the Dinobots. As could why humans claim they don't want to rely on aliens anymore yet form a temporary partnership with Lockdown. As could Optimus's ability to just fix himself by scanning a new vehicle mode, as did Bumblebee in the first film. If transformers can do that, they could all be immortal. Why is there any conflict between them if they can all be immortal just by scanning a new vehicle mode any time they get an owie?

Those are some very good points.

I kept wondering where those energon detectors from DOTM went. Especially at a time when they're actively hunting down both Autobots and Decepticon. After five years, it would make sense that they'd have installed detectors all over the country.

It was funny seeing OP and gang being able to travel around town without detection.

Did they still wear their Autobot symbols on their alt modes?

[Darkman20xx]

First off I want to see these movies do well because I would love to see Transformers become an ongoing thing for decades sort of like the Star Trek and Bond movies. That's not going to happen if the movies go any further downhill then they've already gone. Never once did I question if another should be made until now. Sometimes it really seems as though Bay comes up with Special effect sequences and then finds ways to write those into the script instead of creating special effect sequences made to compliment an already written script. For example, yeah it looked cool, but are you really trying to tell me that an advanced race of robots that have already pretty much created weapons of mass destruction capable of decimating their own planet come to earth and the most dangerous weapon used in AOE is a giant freakin magnet that picks up and drops buses, trucks, and freight ships on their enemies to destroy them?

The thing that also kills me is that these films take some cues from G1, the comics, and then Bay's own crazy and mixes it all together in one big bag to rewrite the TF story. Then like clock work somewhere down the line the stories run into roadblocks where something doesn't tie in right or make sense. That's when I always ask....what the hell did you change the original story for? There is more than enough TF material already written to give you countless movies. If you are going to try to reinvent the wheel it still has to spin.

[RhA]

First off I want to see these movies do well because I would love to see Transformers become an ongoing thing for decades sort of like the Star Trek and Bond movies. That's not going to happen if the movies go any further downhill then they've already gone. Never once did I question if another should be made until now. Sometimes it really seems as though Bay comes up with Special effect sequences and then finds ways to write those into the script instead of creating special effect sequences made to compliment an already written script. For example, yeah it looked cool, but are you really trying to tell me that an advanced race of robots that have already pretty much created weapons of mass destruction capable of decimating their own planet come to earth and the most dangerous weapon used in AOE is a giant freakin magnet that picks up and drops buses, trucks, and freight ships on their enemies to destroy them?

The thing that also kills me is that these films take some cues from G1, the comics, and then Bay's own crazy and mixes it all together in one big bag to rewrite the TF story. Then like clock work somewhere down the line the stories run into roadblocks where something doesn't tie in right or make sense. That's when I always ask....what the hell did you change the original story for? There is more than enough TF material already written to give you countless movies. If you are going to try to reinvent the wheel it still has to spin.

Decimation is to reduce something by 10%, so that 90% remains, you know that, right?

Pet peeve.

[Autobot032]

I,for one,enjoyed it for what it was,a movie with robots and explosions. As I enjoyed the other 3.If I wanted a well thought out Transformer movie,I'd watch the one from '86.

I don't see how AOE isn't "well thought out." Everything made sense, everything was in its perfect place. The only thing that could have been explained better was where Optimus got his ability to fly. I mean, for me, it's obvious he gained the ability by going "knight mode," but a lot of people still can't see it, and still can't accept it.

The whole knight thing could also have been explained better. As could the fact that almost every human on the planet has Alzheimer's and completely forgot that they already exiled the Autobots once, and their return is the only thing that saved the planet from Decepticon-imposed slavery. As could the sudden appearance of Drift, Hound, and whoever the heck the third one was. As could the Government's being unable to find Optimus for so long despite the Energon detectors that have been installed everywhere since Dark of the Moon. As could Optimus's suddenly knowing exactly how to awaken the Dinobots. As could why humans claim they don't want to rely on aliens anymore yet form a temporary partnership with Lockdown. As could Optimus's ability to just fix himself by scanning a new vehicle mode, as did Bumblebee in the first film. If transformers can do that, they could all be immortal. Why is there any conflict between them if they can all be immortal just by scanning a new vehicle mode any time they get an owie?

Those are some very good points.

I kept wondering where those energon detectors from DOTM went. Especially at a time when they're actively hunting down both Autobots and Decepticon. After five years, it would make sense that they'd have installed detectors all over the country.

It was funny seeing OP and gang being able to travel around town without detection.

Did they still wear their Autobot symbols on their alt modes?

Everything was Harold Attinger's fault. The public were lead to believe that all Transformers are Decepticons, thanks to his smear campaign. Remember the office conversation? "Uh, I thought the Autobots were our allies?" and how the President wanted a selfie with Optimus. As far as the government was concerned, the Autobots are legit and even Attinger said "a few Autobots were granted asylum" when he threw down the deck of cards with Ironhide's face on it.

Even KSI didn't know they were melting down Autobots such as Ratchet. Anyone remember the exchange between Cade and whatever her name was? "That's Ratchet, he's an Autobot!" She thought they were melting down Decepticons.

As far as the public knew, all Transformers were to be reported and if they knew anything of the Autobots, they thought they were in asylum and not being hunted. Cemetary Wind made sure of that, while they were actually hunting them.

Cemetary Wind was Attinger's toy, basically. He used them to help Lockdown chase the Autobots so they could find Optimus. In return, Lockdown would give Attinger/Cemetary Wind the seed, so the humans could then give it to Joshua/KSI to detonate in a rural area to create more Transformium, which would then net Attinger a seven figure payday. (This was mentioned in clear detail at least twice.) That's why Attinger formed a temporary union with Lockdown. Money and a chance at revenge at all Transformers. Nothing more, nothing less, really.

As for the Energon detectors, one does make an appearance during the Ratchet hunt segment. It appears in the middle of the screen and moves out of focus into the upper right hand corner as the scene progresses. It's on screen about 5-7 seconds or so. They're not gone, just not in use as much, it seems. And with KSI's bots running on anything but Energon, the detectors are now completely useless. The whole not being able to detect the Autobots thing? Well, Bumblebee, Crosshairs, Drift and Hound were out in the desert in the middle of nowhere for some reason. No detectors out there. I think the attacks that took place prior to AOE happened fairly recently before the film had started. Prime's wounds looked pretty fresh to me, plus they didn't know what had happened to Leadfoot until Cade hacked the camerabot. Optimus skipping out on detection, I don't know. Perhaps he was so damaged he was in a low power mode and couldn't be detected.

If that brings up the question of why didn't Optimus use the Matrix on himself, it's only a source of energy, not repair, as the Allspark had been.

As for the Autobot symbol on vehicle mode? I don't think any of them except Hound had it emblazoned upon their vehicle modes. I don't recall it appearing on Drift at all, I didn't see it on Bumblebee and Crosshairs? We only saw him once or twice very briefly and I couldn't make heads or tails of any symbols on him at all. Optimus only made it appear once he transcanned the new truck mode.

Partly a badge of pride/"Come and get me" moment for Prime, really.

[Burn]

First off I want to see these movies do well because I would love to see Transformers become an ongoing thing for decades sort of like the Star Trek and Bond movies. That's not going to happen if the movies go any further downhill then they've already gone.

Transformers - $709,709,780
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen - $836,303,693
Transformers: Dark of the Moon - $1,123,794,079
Transformers: Age of Extinction- $754,044,938 (still in cinemas)

Yeah ... not really going downhill by those figures.

Or were you talking about quality? Yeah ... that's just your opinion and at the end of the day movie sequels tend to be decided on money, not the opinion of dedicated fans.

[SKYWARPED_128]

Everything was Harold Attinger's fault. The public were lead to believe that all Transformers are Decepticons, thanks to his smear campaign. Remember the office conversation? "Uh, I thought the Autobots were our allies?" and how the President wanted a selfie with Optimus. As far as the government was concerned, the Autobots are legit and even Attinger said "a few Autobots were granted asylum" when he threw down the deck of cards with Ironhide's face on it.

Even KSI didn't know they were melting down Autobots such as Ratchet. Anyone remember the exchange between Cade and whatever her name was? "That's Ratchet, he's an Autobot!" She thought they were melting down Decepticons.

As far as the public knew, all Transformers were to be reported and if they knew anything of the Autobots, they thought they were in asylum and not being hunted. Cemetary Wind made sure of that, while they were actually hunting them.

Cemetary Wind was Attinger's toy, basically. He used them to help Lockdown chase the Autobots so they could find Optimus. In return, Lockdown would give Attinger/Cemetary Wind the seed, so the humans could then give it to Joshua/KSI to detonate in a rural area to create more Transformium, which would then net Attinger a seven figure payday. (This was mentioned in clear detail at least twice.) That's why Attinger formed a temporary union with Lockdown. Money and a chance at revenge at all Transformers. Nothing more, nothing less, really.

Oh, I fully understood that Cemetery Wind was pulling the wool over everyone else's eye into thinking they were only hunting Decepticons. That was clearly stated in the movie.

I simply meant that Cemetery Wind would have planted more detectors anyway to smoke out TF's, since they're now simply targeting anything with an energon signature.

...unless this part was meant for Skywarp64.

As for the Energon detectors, one does make an appearance during the Ratchet hunt segment. It appears in the middle of the screen and moves out of focus into the upper right hand corner as the scene progresses. It's on screen about 5-7 seconds or so. They're not gone, just not in use as much, it seems. And with KSI's bots running on anything but Energon, the detectors are now completely useless. The whole not being able to detect the Autobots thing? Well, Bumblebee, Crosshairs, Drift and Hound were out in the desert in the middle of nowhere for some reason. No detectors out there. I think the attacks that took place prior to AOE happened fairly recently before the film had started. Prime's wounds looked pretty fresh to me, plus they didn't know what had happened to Leadfoot until Cade hacked the camerabot. Optimus skipping out on detection, I don't know. Perhaps he was so damaged he was in a low power mode and couldn't be detected.

Well, that's as valid an explanation as any.

Still, it leaves the question of why OP, Bee and the others were able to get anywhere near the city, where there should be tons of energon detectors. The KSI bots don't really factor into this, because they're hunting for Cybertonians, not artificial TF's like the ones KSI is trying to make.

IIRC, there's a plot summary that states AOE takes place about 5 years after the Chicago incident in DOTM. That's plenty of time to install a lot of detectors around the US.

As for the Autobot symbol on vehicle mode? I don't think any of them except Hound had it emblazoned upon their vehicle modes. I don't recall it appearing on Drift at all, I didn't see it on Bumblebee and Crosshairs? We only saw him once or twice very briefly and I couldn't make heads or tails of any symbols on him at all. Optimus only made it appear once he transcanned the new truck mode.

Partly a badge of pride/"Come and get me" moment for Prime, really.

That makes sense. Hound's pretty much a "come get me if you dare" character, so it makes sense that he'd taunt Cemetery Wind with an Autobot symbol on him.

[Darkman20xx]

First off I want to see these movies do well because I would love to see Transformers become an ongoing thing for decades sort of like the Star Trek and Bond movies. That's not going to happen if the movies go any further downhill then they've already gone. Never once did I question if another should be made until now. Sometimes it really seems as though Bay comes up with Special effect sequences and then finds ways to write those into the script instead of creating special effect sequences made to compliment an already written script. For example, yeah it looked cool, but are you really trying to tell me that an advanced race of robots that have already pretty much created weapons of mass destruction capable of decimating their own planet come to earth and the most dangerous weapon used in AOE is a giant freakin magnet that picks up and drops buses, trucks, and freight ships on their enemies to destroy them?

The thing that also kills me is that these films take some cues from G1, the comics, and then Bay's own crazy and mixes it all together in one big bag to rewrite the TF story. Then like clock work somewhere down the line the stories run into roadblocks where something doesn't tie in right or make sense. That's when I always ask....what the hell did you change the original story for? There is more than enough TF material already written to give you countless movies. If you are going to try to reinvent the wheel it still has to spin.

Decimation is to reduce something by 10%, so that 90% remains, you know that, right?

Pet peeve.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decimate


dec·i·mate
verb \ˈde-sə-ˌmāt\

: to destroy a large number of (plants, animals, people, etc.)

: to severely damage or destroy a large part of (something)

dec·i·mat·eddec·i·mat·ing














EasyBib






Full Definition of DECIMATE

transitive verb


1

: to select by lot and kill every tenth man of


2

: to exact a tax of 10 percent from


3

a : to reduce drastically especially in number

b : to cause great destruction or harm to
— dec·i·ma·tion noun

English has words that can have multiple meanings

"pet peeve solved"

[RhA]

First off I want to see these movies do well because I would love to see Transformers become an ongoing thing for decades sort of like the Star Trek and Bond movies. That's not going to happen if the movies go any further downhill then they've already gone. Never once did I question if another should be made until now. Sometimes it really seems as though Bay comes up with Special effect sequences and then finds ways to write those into the script instead of creating special effect sequences made to compliment an already written script. For example, yeah it looked cool, but are you really trying to tell me that an advanced race of robots that have already pretty much created weapons of mass destruction capable of decimating their own planet come to earth and the most dangerous weapon used in AOE is a giant freakin magnet that picks up and drops buses, trucks, and freight ships on their enemies to destroy them?

The thing that also kills me is that these films take some cues from G1, the comics, and then Bay's own crazy and mixes it all together in one big bag to rewrite the TF story. Then like clock work somewhere down the line the stories run into roadblocks where something doesn't tie in right or make sense. That's when I always ask....what the hell did you change the original story for? There is more than enough TF material already written to give you countless movies. If you are going to try to reinvent the wheel it still has to spin.

Decimation is to reduce something by 10%, so that 90% remains, you know that, right?

Pet peeve.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decimate


dec·i·mate
verb \ˈde-sə-ˌmāt\

: to destroy a large number of (plants, animals, people, etc.)

: to severely damage or destroy a large part of (something)

dec·i·mat·eddec·i·mat·ing














EasyBib






Full Definition of DECIMATE

transitive verb


1

: to select by lot and kill every tenth man of


2

: to exact a tax of 10 percent from


3

a : to reduce drastically especially in number

b : to cause great destruction or harm to
- dec·i·ma·tion noun

English has words that can have multiple meanings

"pet peeve solved"

If a large number of people use a word incorrectly, it does not automatically lead to a new definition. Nowhere in DOTM has the planet Cybertron been decimated.

*edit*
Your own post confirms what I'm saying. The first definition only partly defines 'decimation', after that you post the full definition.

You can still edit your post, dude.

[Darkman20xx]

First off I want to see these movies do well because I would love to see Transformers become an ongoing thing for decades sort of like the Star Trek and Bond movies. That's not going to happen if the movies go any further downhill then they've already gone.

Transformers - $709,709,780
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen - $836,303,693
Transformers: Dark of the Moon - $1,123,794,079
Transformers: Age of Extinction- $754,044,938 (still in cinemas)

Yeah ... not really going downhill by those figures.

Or were you talking about quality? Yeah ... that's just your opinion and at the end of the day movie sequels tend to be decided on money, not the opinion of dedicated fans.

Your figures don't include the fact that movie success is highly factored on how much the film cost to make vs how much it made. It took a lot longer for this movie to break even. The figures are also largely due to help from China. My opinion is in fact my opinion. However....I a dedicated fan thought this movie although not completely unwatchable, the worst of them all. My wife, not a huge fan, who sat thru the rest of them happily, slept halfway thru this movie. She didn't even do that with ROTF (which ironically I like much better than AOE even though it had it's problems too.) This movie got the worst ratings of any I can remember by critics. I just don't understand why people defend something to the level of "death to all those who didn't like this movie". I'll say it again. I would hate to see a situation where the studio is just shelling out crap because they know the public will see it because it's "Transformers". As we've all seemed to agree on...Bay's involvement in the movie was purely financial. "In my opinion" it showed.

[Burn]

I'm not defending the movies. I'm simply pointing out that the current trend sees these movies continuing for a fair while yet based on financial reasons, not because a bunch of fans and over-opinionated critics dislike them.

[Darkman20xx]

First off I want to see these movies do well because I would love to see Transformers become an ongoing thing for decades sort of like the Star Trek and Bond movies. That's not going to happen if the movies go any further downhill then they've already gone. Never once did I question if another should be made until now. Sometimes it really seems as though Bay comes up with Special effect sequences and then finds ways to write those into the script instead of creating special effect sequences made to compliment an already written script. For example, yeah it looked cool, but are you really trying to tell me that an advanced race of robots that have already pretty much created weapons of mass destruction capable of decimating their own planet come to earth and the most dangerous weapon used in AOE is a giant freakin magnet that picks up and drops buses, trucks, and freight ships on their enemies to destroy them?

The thing that also kills me is that these films take some cues from G1, the comics, and then Bay's own crazy and mixes it all together in one big bag to rewrite the TF story. Then like clock work somewhere down the line the stories run into roadblocks where something doesn't tie in right or make sense. That's when I always ask....what the hell did you change the original story for? There is more than enough TF material already written to give you countless movies. If you are going to try to reinvent the wheel it still has to spin.

Decimation is to reduce something by 10%, so that 90% remains, you know that, right?

Pet peeve.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decimate


dec·i·mate
verb \ˈde-sə-ˌmāt\

: to destroy a large number of (plants, animals, people, etc.)

: to severely damage or destroy a large part of (something)

dec·i·mat·eddec·i·mat·ing














EasyBib






Full Definition of DECIMATE

transitive verb


1

: to select by lot and kill every tenth man of


2

: to exact a tax of 10 percent from


3

a : to reduce drastically especially in number

b : to cause great destruction or harm to
- dec·i·ma·tion noun

English has words that can have multiple meanings

"pet peeve solved"

If a large number of people use a word incorrectly, it does not automatically lead to a new definition. Nowhere in DOTM has the planet Cybertron been decimated.

*edit*
Your own post confirms what I'm saying. The first definition only partly defines 'decimation', after that you post the full definition.

You can still edit your post, dude.

3 a clearly shows the use of "Decimated". "Cholera Decimated the population". Now your argument is whether Cybertron was actually decimated? Did I really need to add population for you to understand or are you just a teacher who's getting withdrawal from giving people false f grades because school is out. This is a message forum and I am not graded for this. Not agreeing that I'm wrong because I'm not. Just saying this is a stupid argument I expect to have with my wife that I would only have because I would get laid after it.

[RhA]

First off I want to see these movies do well because I would love to see Transformers become an ongoing thing for decades sort of like the Star Trek and Bond movies. That's not going to happen if the movies go any further downhill then they've already gone. Never once did I question if another should be made until now. Sometimes it really seems as though Bay comes up with Special effect sequences and then finds ways to write those into the script instead of creating special effect sequences made to compliment an already written script. For example, yeah it looked cool, but are you really trying to tell me that an advanced race of robots that have already pretty much created weapons of mass destruction capable of decimating their own planet come to earth and the most dangerous weapon used in AOE is a giant freakin magnet that picks up and drops buses, trucks, and freight ships on their enemies to destroy them?

The thing that also kills me is that these films take some cues from G1, the comics, and then Bay's own crazy and mixes it all together in one big bag to rewrite the TF story. Then like clock work somewhere down the line the stories run into roadblocks where something doesn't tie in right or make sense. That's when I always ask....what the hell did you change the original story for? There is more than enough TF material already written to give you countless movies. If you are going to try to reinvent the wheel it still has to spin.

Decimation is to reduce something by 10%, so that 90% remains, you know that, right?

Pet peeve.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decimate


dec·i·mate
verb \ˈde-sə-ˌmāt\

: to destroy a large number of (plants, animals, people, etc.)

: to severely damage or destroy a large part of (something)

dec·i·mat·eddec·i·mat·ing














EasyBib






Full Definition of DECIMATE

transitive verb


1

: to select by lot and kill every tenth man of


2

: to exact a tax of 10 percent from


3

a : to reduce drastically especially in number

b : to cause great destruction or harm to
- dec·i·ma·tion noun

English has words that can have multiple meanings

"pet peeve solved"

If a large number of people use a word incorrectly, it does not automatically lead to a new definition. Nowhere in DOTM has the planet Cybertron been decimated.

*edit*
Your own post confirms what I'm saying. The first definition only partly defines 'decimation', after that you post the full definition.

You can still edit your post, dude.

3 a clearly shows the use of "Decimated". "Cholera Decimated the population". Now your argument is whether Cybertron was actually decimated? Did I really need to add population for you to understand or are you just a teacher who's getting withdrawal from giving people false f grades because school is out. This is a message forum and I am not graded for this. Not agreeing that I'm wrong because I'm not. Just saying this is a stupid argument I expect to have with my wife that I would only have because I would get laid after it.

I helped you along by highlighting your own words. So that you can see that they are your own words.

Also, by the definitions you (again) yourself have posted, 'a large number' does not contradict the 10% rule. Granted that it doesn't contradict it, but given the rules that make up any dictionary the top definition is the most common and is secondary definitions derive their usage from the top one.

Just saying this is a stupid argument I expect to have with my wife that I would only have because I would get laid after it.

This is a forum for all ages. Remember that.

[SlyTF1]

I,for one,enjoyed it for what it was,a movie with robots and explosions. As I enjoyed the other 3.If I wanted a well thought out Transformer movie,I'd watch the one from '86.

I don't see how AOE isn't "well thought out." Everything made sense, everything was in its perfect place. The only thing that could have been explained better was where Optimus got his ability to fly. I mean, for me, it's obvious he gained the ability by going "knight mode," but a lot of people still can't see it, and still can't accept it.

The whole knight thing could also have been explained better. As could the fact that almost every human on the planet has Alzheimer's and completely forgot that they already exiled the Autobots once, and their return is the only thing that saved the planet from Decepticon-imposed slavery. As could the sudden appearance of Drift, Hound, and whoever the heck the third one was. As could the Government's being unable to find Optimus for so long despite the Energon detectors that have been installed everywhere since Dark of the Moon. As could Optimus's suddenly knowing exactly how to awaken the Dinobots. As could why humans claim they don't want to rely on aliens anymore yet form a temporary partnership with Lockdown. As could Optimus's ability to just fix himself by scanning a new vehicle mode, as did Bumblebee in the first film. If transformers can do that, they could all be immortal. Why is there any conflict between them if they can all be immortal just by scanning a new vehicle mode any time they get an owie?

Every human in the world? Cemetery Wind was operating secretly. That's why they had to keep everything from the government. They told the government and the civilians that they were hunting Decepticons, when in reality, they were hunting all of them.

Why would the appearance of Drift, Hound, and Crosshairs need to be explained? They're Autobots and they're on Earth. What more would there be to explain?

The energon detectors were there, just probably not in places like the farms of Texas, or whatever, which is why Optimus chose to hide there. They knew where he was, before, but he escaped their grasp.

Optimus didn't "awaken" anything. He freed them from a prison.

The reason they didn't want the Autobots anymore was made clear as day. So that KSI could make their own army and profit off of it.

Optimus didn't "fix" a damn thing. Cade fixed him. All Optimus did was change his armor.

[Sabrblade]

Why would the appearance of Drift, Hound, and Crosshairs need to be explained? They're Autobots and they're on Earth. What more would there be to explain?

You're right. It should be obvious that all Cybertronians, even those who have never been seen or heard about before until now, naturally exist on Planet Earth.

[RhA]

Why would the appearance of Drift, Hound, and Crosshairs need to be explained? They're Autobots and they're on Earth. What more would there be to explain?

You're right. It should be obvious that all Cybertronians, even those who have never been seen or heard about before until now, naturally exist on Planet Earth.

At least the absence of the other Transformers was explained.

[chivesbot20]

Perfectly stated SLYTF1.We didn't even now that the Wreckers where on Earth since 2009 (ROTF) until the end of DOTM. And optimus is always sending messages so maybe they didn't get them. Maybe they were hiding the whole time. There robots in disguise so actually, they were the smart ones.But no need for explanation. With the energon detectors.... for all we know they are probably shut down. The conclusion of DOTM we all thought was the end. Well maybe the humans did to. Or we can go with the theory that they weren't placed every square inch in the county(s).But all I know is that these films depict the government and humanity perfectly in reality and in actual film. We logically are always looking for money. Bay and Attinger alike

[Sabrblade]

Perfectly stated SLYTF1.We didn't even now that the Wreckers where on Earth since 2009 (ROTF) until the end of DOTM.

At least DOTM told us that those guys came on the Xantium. Here, though, nothing is given for the three newcomers.

If we're to believe that they also came on the Xantium, then the film should have told us that rather than leaving it to us to fill in the blanks ourselves, because we shouldn't have to.

If we have to come up with stuff to make something work, then does that not imply that that something doesn't work on its own, as it is, without us having to make it work in the first place?

[chivesbot20]

Valid point. I totally understand that we should be given the answers. But Mearing does state that the wreckers were a**holes and they came when the second wave of autobots came so they were kept on the premise. And Hound Drift and Crosshairs shouldn't have a huge explanation but maybe a small one.Character development does not exist in action based storylines. Especially with Bay. Its not needed for story arc. We don't need to have 7 flashbacks for each character along with the main story arc. The plot is like a mountain or a ciff. Characters logically must develop or we must understand their personality through out the story. the point is they shouldn't directly tell us the character. Sometimes things need to be pieced together when theirs a bigger story taking place

[Sabrblade]

And Hound Drift and Crosshairs shouldn't have a huge explanation but maybe a small one.

I'd be fine with even a throwaway line like "The humans have been on our tails ever since we got to this rock after the Cybertron incident years ago."

Character development does not exist in action based storylines. Especially with Bay. Its not needed for story arc.

1. Saying where they came from is not "character development", it's "world-building".

2. Seriously? Seriously?! Optimus, Cade, and Joshua all undergo character development arcs in this movie.

We don't need to have 7 flashbacks for each character along with the main story arc. The plot is like a mountain or a ciff. Characters logically must develop or we must understand their personality through out the story.

"Characters logically must develop"? You just contradicted yourself when you said "Character development does not exist in action based storylines."

the point is they shouldn't directly tell us the character. Sometimes things need to be pieced together when theirs a bigger story taking place

I agree. The movie needs to piece things together, and I'm still waiting for it to do so.

[chivesbot20]

The reason I have not contradicted myself is that the character develops because of the story not because of events taking place before the events in the story. Throw a way lines is a good idea. But contradicting myself....I THINK NOT! And fined the definition for me on "world building" please. Love to now.

[Sabrblade]

The reason I have not contradicted myself is that the character develops because of the story not because of events taking place before the events in the story. Throw a way lines is a good idea. But contradicting myself....I THINK NOT! And fined the definition for me on "world building" please. Love to now.

[Darkman20xx]

First off I want to see these movies do well because I would love to see Transformers become an ongoing thing for decades sort of like the Star Trek and Bond movies. That's not going to happen if the movies go any further downhill then they've already gone. Never once did I question if another should be made until now. Sometimes it really seems as though Bay comes up with Special effect sequences and then finds ways to write those into the script instead of creating special effect sequences made to compliment an already written script. For example, yeah it looked cool, but are you really trying to tell me that an advanced race of robots that have already pretty much created weapons of mass destruction capable of decimating their own planet come to earth and the most dangerous weapon used in AOE is a giant freakin magnet that picks up and drops buses, trucks, and freight ships on their enemies to destroy them?

The thing that also kills me is that these films take some cues from G1, the comics, and then Bay's own crazy and mixes it all together in one big bag to rewrite the TF story. Then like clock work somewhere down the line the stories run into roadblocks where something doesn't tie in right or make sense. That's when I always ask....what the hell did you change the original story for? There is more than enough TF material already written to give you countless movies. If you are going to try to reinvent the wheel it still has to spin.

Decimation is to reduce something by 10%, so that 90% remains, you know that, right?

Pet peeve.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decimate


dec·i·mate
verb \ˈde-sə-ˌmāt\

: to destroy a large number of (plants, animals, people, etc.)

: to severely damage or destroy a large part of (something)

dec·i·mat·eddec·i·mat·ing














EasyBib






Full Definition of DECIMATE

transitive verb


1

: to select by lot and kill every tenth man of


2

: to exact a tax of 10 percent from


3

a : to reduce drastically especially in number

b : to cause great destruction or harm to
- dec·i·ma·tion noun

English has words that can have multiple meanings

"pet peeve solved"

If a large number of people use a word incorrectly, it does not automatically lead to a new definition. Nowhere in DOTM has the planet Cybertron been decimated.

*edit*
Your own post confirms what I'm saying. The first definition only partly defines 'decimation', after that you post the full definition.

You can still edit your post, dude.

3 a clearly shows the use of "Decimated". "Cholera Decimated the population". Now your argument is whether Cybertron was actually decimated? Did I really need to add population for you to understand or are you just a teacher who's getting withdrawal from giving people false f grades because school is out. This is a message forum and I am not graded for this. Not agreeing that I'm wrong because I'm not. Just saying this is a stupid argument I expect to have with my wife that I would only have because I would get laid after it.

I helped you along by highlighting your own words. So that you can see that they are your own words.

Also, by the definitions you (again) yourself have posted, 'a large number' does not contradict the 10% rule. Granted that it doesn't contradict it, but given the rules that make up any dictionary the top definition is the most common and is secondary definitions derive their usage from the top one.

Just saying this is a stupid argument I expect to have with my wife that I would only have because I would get laid after it.

This is a forum for all ages. Remember that.

"Decimation is to reduce something by 10%, so that 90% remains, you know that, right?"

Your exact quote, given only for the reason of proving my use of the word wrong. Me quoting fact that the word has multiple meanings. I'm really lost in what you are arguing about. That you don't agree with Meriam Webster's definition use of the word because your usage is the only correct one even though the dictionary clearly says its not? Funny thing is you even acknowledge that my use of the word is the most common accepted definition. (excuse me...you said use of the word) i'll post another for you



decimate (ˈdɛsɪˌmeɪt)
vb (tr)
1. to destroy or kill a large proportion of: a plague decimated the population.

2. (Military) (esp in the ancient Roman army) to kill every tenth man of (a mutinous section)

[RhA]

I'm gonna kill the quote train here.

I've looked it up. It seems that the term has lost it's original meaning. Deci (a tenth) mation, removing a tenth of whatever is the traditional meaning, whereas you use a newer definition.

To me, that's an unclear useage. Decimating the population of a planet doesn't equal ruining the entire thing.

Funny thing is you even acknowledge that my use of the word is the most common accepted definition. (excuse me...you said use of the word)

I think you misunderstand me there. I mean it the other way around.