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Starscream GaGa wrote:The difference in plots is that the first was campy and fun. The second wasn't.

No the difference is you chose to ignore that there was a plot due to your dislike of the film. If you honestly believe it had no plot then you have a very slim grasp on how storytelling works.

As for your Bladerunner comment, I've read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. I wasn't impressed.

Let me bulletpoint it for you:

1. Sam absorbs cube knowledge.
2. Decepticons go after Sam.
3. Optimus dies protecting Sam.
4. Sam seeks out Simons for info on the symbols and how to read them.
5. They learn of Transformers hiding on Earth for centuries.
6. Wheelie says these Transformers can read Ancient Cybertronian, points them to Jetfire.
7. Jetfire translates the symbols, sets Sam and co. on their mission.
8. Simons calls Lennox while they search for the doorway.
9. They find the doorway and the Tomb of the Primes.
8. Sam and co. make their way to Lennox as the final battle is joined.
9. Sam dies, meets the Primes, and is ressurected with the Matrix.
10. Sam revives Optimus.
11. Optimus kills the Fallen.

That's the simple version, so it should be easy for even you to read.

Autobot032 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

shamone wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Nico wrote:Well, that wouldn't be the first time a serie suffer from a "trilogy creep" but the problem with that is that each movie attempt to out do the other in term of special effect (such as ever bigger robots and explosions).

How is that a problem?

some people prefer less explosions more plot.

For what purpose? What do you get out of a plot? You can't see a plot. So why come watch a movie if that's all you want?

This might just be one of the biggest brain poppers I've ever read.

The first movie had no plot. Glasses? eBay? Really?
The second movie had a plot. The critics and some fans didn't like it, but it was certainly better than the first, which is why I can watch it repeatedly.
The third will be the best of them, storywise. I can't imagine sitting through a movie that's nothing but explosions and special effects.

It would be like sitting through a continuous lightsaber battle that never ends, going on for 2.5 hours. Oh joy.

Too bad I wish there was a 2.5 hour lightsaber fight. That would be the best movie EVER.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

shamone wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Nico wrote:Well, that wouldn't be the first time a serie suffer from a "trilogy creep" but the problem with that is that each movie attempt to out do the other in term of special effect (such as ever bigger robots and explosions).

How is that a problem?

some people prefer less explosions more plot.

For what purpose? What do you get out of a plot? You can't see a plot. So why come watch a movie if that's all you want?

This might just be one of the biggest brain poppers I've ever read.

The first movie had no plot. Glasses? eBay? Really?
The second movie had a plot. The critics and some fans didn't like it, but it was certainly better than the first, which is why I can watch it repeatedly.
The third will be the best of them, storywise. I can't imagine sitting through a movie that's nothing but explosions and special effects.

It would be like sitting through a continuous lightsaber battle that never ends, going on for 2.5 hours. Oh joy.

Too bad I wish there was a 2.5 hour lightsaber fight. That would be the best movie EVER.

I just watched a slew of Lightsaber battles on Youtube. I watched them out of order, in chronological order, and one thing became quickly apparent...too much of a good thing.

I started watching the clock. It starts out great, just like a bowl of your favorite sugar laden, marshmallow filled cereal. Then, you start to notice "hmm, probably shouldn't have that last bowl, but it's oh so good...", so you go ahead and have more. When it's all said and done, you have gunk left in your bowl, God knows what in your stomach, and a feeling of "Wow. That really kinda sucked after awhile."

I had to stop watching them because it was starting to get ridiculous.

A movie needs a plot. Really, it does.

And, all of this Lightsaber viewing made me realize that Lucas really kinda lost his way. I mean, dang, some of that was utter crap. =\

Hot damn another god dang thread in the movie forum derailed into a topic about other movies!

So in response to the original question.

No.

Capt.Failure wrote:No the difference is you chose to ignore that there was a plot due to your dislike of the film. If you honestly believe it had no plot then you have a very slim grasp on how storytelling works.

It has nothing to do with plot. Someone says they can't believe people let the stupid plot of the first movie slide, I'm saying it's easy to because it was a fun movie.

Capt.Failure wrote:As for your Bladerunner comment, I've read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. I wasn't impressed.

Well no, you wouldn't be. It needs the ability to be able to intellectually analyse something to appreciate, so I'm not surprised.

No really, can we please not drag another thread off track?

Come on guys, if you really want to discuss movies take it to General Discussion.

Dark of the moon looks like a great movie and if anybody says something different then there idiots DOTM is an amazing movie!!!!!

Starscream GaGa wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:No the difference is you chose to ignore that there was a plot due to your dislike of the film. If you honestly believe it had no plot then you have a very slim grasp on how storytelling works.

It has nothing to do with plot. Someone says they can't believe people let the stupid plot of the first movie slide, I'm saying it's easy to because it was a fun movie.

Capt.Failure wrote:As for your Bladerunner comment, I've read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. I wasn't impressed.

Well no, you wouldn't be. It needs the ability to be able to intellectually analyse something to appreciate, so I'm not surprised.

There's no need for immature insults, not liking a book is no more an indication of intelligence than not liking waffles.

Anyway, nothing has changed my mind on seeing DotM. I wanted to see it the second after I saw RotF and that hasn't changed.

Starscream GaGa wrote:Well no, you wouldn't be. It needs the ability to be able to intellectually analyse something to appreciate, so I'm not surprised.

Behave yourself. You're skating on thin ice with comments like that.

Though I must say thank you, from the bottom of my heart. You've proven yourself with the above comment to be unqualified to argue your opinion.

Please cut the insults too.

Capt.Failure wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:The difference in plots is that the first was campy and fun. The second wasn't.

No the difference is you chose to ignore that there was a plot due to your dislike of the film. If you honestly believe it had no plot then you have a very slim grasp on how storytelling works.

As for your Bladerunner comment, I've read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. I wasn't impressed.

Let me bulletpoint it for you:

1. Sam absorbs cube knowledge.
2. Decepticons go after Sam.
3. Optimus dies protecting Sam.
4. Sam seeks out Simons for info on the symbols and how to read them.
5. They learn of Transformers hiding on Earth for centuries.
6. Wheelie says these Transformers can read Ancient Cybertronian, points them to Jetfire.
7. Jetfire translates the symbols, sets Sam and co. on their mission.
8. Simons calls Lennox while they search for the doorway.
9. They find the doorway and the Tomb of the Primes.
8. Sam and co. make their way to Lennox as the final battle is joined.
9. Sam dies, meets the Primes, and is ressurected with the Matrix.
10. Sam revives Optimus.
11. Optimus kills the Fallen.

That's the simple version, so it should be easy for even you to read.

can you please identify where mr gaga said there was no plot in rotf. Well i can say it for you, he didnt. You just used what he said to launch another man-bay-love rant.

yes there was a plot to rotf, the fact it was written by what seems to be a ridelin addled ADD 7 yar old is neither here nor there

shamone wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:The difference in plots is that the first was campy and fun. The second wasn't.

No the difference is you chose to ignore that there was a plot due to your dislike of the film. If you honestly believe it had no plot then you have a very slim grasp on how storytelling works.

As for your Bladerunner comment, I've read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. I wasn't impressed.

Let me bulletpoint it for you:

1. Sam absorbs cube knowledge.
2. Decepticons go after Sam.
3. Optimus dies protecting Sam.
4. Sam seeks out Simons for info on the symbols and how to read them.
5. They learn of Transformers hiding on Earth for centuries.
6. Wheelie says these Transformers can read Ancient Cybertronian, points them to Jetfire.
7. Jetfire translates the symbols, sets Sam and co. on their mission.
8. Simons calls Lennox while they search for the doorway.
9. They find the doorway and the Tomb of the Primes.
8. Sam and co. make their way to Lennox as the final battle is joined.
9. Sam dies, meets the Primes, and is ressurected with the Matrix.
10. Sam revives Optimus.
11. Optimus kills the Fallen.

That's the simple version, so it should be easy for even you to read.

can you please identify where mr gaga said there was no plot in rotf. Well i can say it for you, he didnt. You just used what he said to launch another man-bay-love rant.

yes there was a plot to rotf, the fact it was written by what seems to be a ridelin addled ADD 7 yar old is neither here nor there

Your opinion is not fact, sorry. If you had trouble following such a simple plot I really feel sorry for you. Also, if someone was "ritalin addled" they'd be slowed down to the degree of a drooling simpleton. If you're going to toss canned insults at the film at least research some basic knowledge of plot structure and the mental disorders you wish to use as insults, please.

Now if you don't mind, since this thread has become little more than insults toward me and canned, uneducated complaints about something that's been talked to death I'll bow out of this discussion.

Capt.Failure wrote:

shamone wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:The difference in plots is that the first was campy and fun. The second wasn't.

No the difference is you chose to ignore that there was a plot due to your dislike of the film. If you honestly believe it had no plot then you have a very slim grasp on how storytelling works.

As for your Bladerunner comment, I've read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. I wasn't impressed.

Let me bulletpoint it for you:

1. Sam absorbs cube knowledge.
2. Decepticons go after Sam.
3. Optimus dies protecting Sam.
4. Sam seeks out Simons for info on the symbols and how to read them.
5. They learn of Transformers hiding on Earth for centuries.
6. Wheelie says these Transformers can read Ancient Cybertronian, points them to Jetfire.
7. Jetfire translates the symbols, sets Sam and co. on their mission.
8. Simons calls Lennox while they search for the doorway.
9. They find the doorway and the Tomb of the Primes.
8. Sam and co. make their way to Lennox as the final battle is joined.
9. Sam dies, meets the Primes, and is ressurected with the Matrix.
10. Sam revives Optimus.
11. Optimus kills the Fallen.

That's the simple version, so it should be easy for even you to read.

can you please identify where mr gaga said there was no plot in rotf. Well i can say it for you, he didnt. You just used what he said to launch another man-bay-love rant.

yes there was a plot to rotf, the fact it was written by what seems to be a ridelin addled ADD 7 yar old is neither here nor there

Your opinion is not fact, sorry. If you had trouble following such a simple plot I really feel sorry for you. Also, if someone was "ritalin addled" they'd be slowed down to the degree of a drooling simpleton. If you're going to toss canned insults at the film at least research some basic knowledge of plot structure and the mental disorders you wish to use as insults, please.

Now if you don't mind, since this thread has become little more than insults toward me and canned, uneducated complaints about something that's been talked to death I'll bow out of this discussion.

where did i say i couldnt follow the plot.

also point out
where i insulted you

or where gaga said there was no plot

you misquote people left right and centre and then back out when called out

shamone wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

shamone wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:The difference in plots is that the first was campy and fun. The second wasn't.

No the difference is you chose to ignore that there was a plot due to your dislike of the film. If you honestly believe it had no plot then you have a very slim grasp on how storytelling works.

As for your Bladerunner comment, I've read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. I wasn't impressed.

Let me bulletpoint it for you:

1. Sam absorbs cube knowledge.
2. Decepticons go after Sam.
3. Optimus dies protecting Sam.
4. Sam seeks out Simons for info on the symbols and how to read them.
5. They learn of Transformers hiding on Earth for centuries.
6. Wheelie says these Transformers can read Ancient Cybertronian, points them to Jetfire.
7. Jetfire translates the symbols, sets Sam and co. on their mission.
8. Simons calls Lennox while they search for the doorway.
9. They find the doorway and the Tomb of the Primes.
8. Sam and co. make their way to Lennox as the final battle is joined.
9. Sam dies, meets the Primes, and is ressurected with the Matrix.
10. Sam revives Optimus.
11. Optimus kills the Fallen.

That's the simple version, so it should be easy for even you to read.

can you please identify where mr gaga said there was no plot in rotf. Well i can say it for you, he didnt. You just used what he said to launch another man-bay-love rant.

yes there was a plot to rotf, the fact it was written by what seems to be a ridelin addled ADD 7 yar old is neither here nor there

Your opinion is not fact, sorry. If you had trouble following such a simple plot I really feel sorry for you. Also, if someone was "ritalin addled" they'd be slowed down to the degree of a drooling simpleton. If you're going to toss canned insults at the film at least research some basic knowledge of plot structure and the mental disorders you wish to use as insults, please.

Now if you don't mind, since this thread has become little more than insults toward me and canned, uneducated complaints about something that's been talked to death I'll bow out of this discussion.

where did i say i couldnt follow the plot.

also point out
where i insulted you

or where gaga said there was no plot

you misquote people left right and centre and then back out when called out

I reserve my right to be inconsistant with people who are inconsistant to begin with.

Now, let go of this issue before you make me start another thread about plot structure. I don't want to give Burn a bigger migraine than I already probably do.

Yeah alright, this is the last chance for you lot. You all seem to have a habit of going from thread to thread and derailing it with your petty little flame wars.

I mean really, Cyber Bishop has already stepped in and told you lot to cool it and you ignore him.

From now on, it's warnings issued.

Now unless you have something to contribute to the original topic of this thread, leave it alone.

SlyTF1 wrote:

shamone wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Nico wrote:Well, that wouldn't be the first time a serie suffer from a "trilogy creep" but the problem with that is that each movie attempt to out do the other in term of special effect (such as ever bigger robots and explosions).

How is that a problem?

some people prefer less explosions more plot.

For what purpose? What do you get out of a plot? You can't see a plot. So why come watch a movie if that's all you want?

and this is why i cant take it serious when you call rotf the greatest film ever made, no offence but without plot you dont have anything.

SlyTF1 wrote:For what purpose? What do you get out of a plot? You can't see a plot. So why come watch a movie if that's all you want?

I can see you did excellent in your writing class. Without a plot, there is no story. Without a story, then the movie really doesn't matter. In the words of Shia LaBeouf;

Shia LaBeouf wrote:Then it's just a bunch of robots fighting each other

The four main set ups of a story; Plot, Setting, Characters, and Theme.

Try and make a story without a plot, Sly, and see if you get awesome reviews. I'd love to see you try.

No. The only think I was thinking of changing my mind on was the night I am planning on going. My primary date was July 1st. But then, because of my large party that's going, we changed it to July 2nd. But, I was wondering, can I personally wait that long. Maybe I'll go by myself on the 29th. But I decided, nah, I don't want to be spoiled and will join my friends with a fresh mind on July 2nd around 6:00 pm!