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JeffX wrote:Here's the thing. People want to watch a movie with some human involvement in it. As a Transformer fan I want to see more Transformers but I realize that they would not make a successful movie by doing that. Most of us love the original animated movie, but it didn't fare well in the theater. Nor would that same movie do well again in 2007.
Decepticon_Vandal wrote:JeffX wrote:Here's the thing. People want to watch a movie with some human involvement in it. As a Transformer fan I want to see more Transformers but I realize that they would not make a successful movie by doing that. Most of us love the original animated movie, but it didn't fare well in the theater. Nor would that same movie do well again in 2007.
But are the Cybertronians not anthropomorphic enough to be relatable? Honestly, with a good script it could have been successful with much less human involvement.
Master Renegade wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Well get over it. Because the majority of the people like the movies.
No, because in my experience, the majority is usually wrong.
Master Renegade wrote:If that's what you're reading into my comments, then you either need to brush up on your reading skills and look again, or see if your defective brain is under warranty and able to be replaced. I never said nor implied anything about morality.
Master Renegade wrote:OptiMagnus wrote:So, are you saying that I should go beat myself up for being a fan of worthless piles of s**t, then go yelling to my family and friends that they're fans of worthless s**t and should be ashamed of themsleves and that people have negative impressions of them because they told them they like the Transformers movies? So basically, if I tell someone I'm a Transformers fan, they'll think: "Oh my, he likes those incredibly bad movies. He must have bad moral values."
If that's what you're reading into my comments, then you either need to brush up on your reading skills and look again, or see if your defective brain is under warranty and able to be replaced. I never said nor implied anything about morality.
What I said, and what I meant, are EXACTLY what the words themselves say. Nothing more, nothing less.
OptiMagnus wrote:You imply that since these movies are bad, they define the franchise now and define what I enjoy as a Transformers fan, which you say is a bad thing. You say it's a franchise you're ashamed of now because you think people define you as a fan of these movies, which according to you, are bad, and all people who aren't "fans" think they're bad.
What I'm asking YOU is do you honestly think people will define me (and other TF fans) as a fan of incredibly bad worthless s**t because of these movies, and do you think I should be ashamed of myself for enjoying them?
Decepticon_Vandal wrote:JeffX wrote:Here's the thing. People want to watch a movie with some human involvement in it. As a Transformer fan I want to see more Transformers but I realize that they would not make a successful movie by doing that. Most of us love the original animated movie, but it didn't fare well in the theater. Nor would that same movie do well again in 2007.
But are the Cybertronians not anthropomorphic enough to be relatable? Honestly, with a good script it could have been successful with much less human involvement.
SlyTF1 wrote:Decepticon_Vandal wrote:JeffX wrote:Here's the thing. People want to watch a movie with some human involvement in it. As a Transformer fan I want to see more Transformers but I realize that they would not make a successful movie by doing that. Most of us love the original animated movie, but it didn't fare well in the theater. Nor would that same movie do well again in 2007.
But are the Cybertronians not anthropomorphic enough to be relatable? Honestly, with a good script it could have been successful with much less human involvement.
And you think all that CG would be cheap?
Decepticon_Vandal wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Decepticon_Vandal wrote:JeffX wrote:Here's the thing. People want to watch a movie with some human involvement in it. As a Transformer fan I want to see more Transformers but I realize that they would not make a successful movie by doing that. Most of us love the original animated movie, but it didn't fare well in the theater. Nor would that same movie do well again in 2007.
But are the Cybertronians not anthropomorphic enough to be relatable? Honestly, with a good script it could have been successful with much less human involvement.
And you think all that CG would be cheap?
Its still feasible. Hell, if James Cameron can make all that CG in Avatar why can't another studio do an all Transformers movie?
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Decepticon_Vandal wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Decepticon_Vandal wrote:JeffX wrote:Here's the thing. People want to watch a movie with some human involvement in it. As a Transformer fan I want to see more Transformers but I realize that they would not make a successful movie by doing that. Most of us love the original animated movie, but it didn't fare well in the theater. Nor would that same movie do well again in 2007.
But are the Cybertronians not anthropomorphic enough to be relatable? Honestly, with a good script it could have been successful with much less human involvement.
And you think all that CG would be cheap?
Its still feasible. Hell, if James Cameron can make all that CG in Avatar why can't another studio do an all Transformers movie?
It's partly due to how Spielberg operates these days as a producer. I remember either reading it in an interview or the TF1 DVD commentary where Bay recounts that Spielberg likes to limit the budget of the movies he produces to generate creativity in the directors, which is a very foolish thing to do for a movie that centers on CG robots, if you ask me.
Bay had all these ginormous ideas of transforming aircraft carriers and stuff [if I recall correctly], but the budget given by Spielberg was just not enough to realize even a fraction of his ideas.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Decepticon_Vandal wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Decepticon_Vandal wrote:JeffX wrote:Here's the thing. People want to watch a movie with some human involvement in it. As a Transformer fan I want to see more Transformers but I realize that they would not make a successful movie by doing that. Most of us love the original animated movie, but it didn't fare well in the theater. Nor would that same movie do well again in 2007.
But are the Cybertronians not anthropomorphic enough to be relatable? Honestly, with a good script it could have been successful with much less human involvement.
And you think all that CG would be cheap?
Its still feasible. Hell, if James Cameron can make all that CG in Avatar why can't another studio do an all Transformers movie?
It's partly due to how Spielberg operates these days as a producer. I remember either reading it in an interview or the TF1 DVD commentary where Bay recounts that Spielberg likes to limit the budget of the movies he produces to generate creativity in the directors, which is a very foolish thing to do for a movie that centers on CG robots, if you ask me.
Bay had all these ginormous ideas of transforming aircraft carriers and stuff [if I recall correctly], but the budget given by Spielberg was just not enough to realize even a fraction of his ideas.
SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Decepticon_Vandal wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Decepticon_Vandal wrote:JeffX wrote:Here's the thing. People want to watch a movie with some human involvement in it. As a Transformer fan I want to see more Transformers but I realize that they would not make a successful movie by doing that. Most of us love the original animated movie, but it didn't fare well in the theater. Nor would that same movie do well again in 2007.
But are the Cybertronians not anthropomorphic enough to be relatable? Honestly, with a good script it could have been successful with much less human involvement.
And you think all that CG would be cheap?
Its still feasible. Hell, if James Cameron can make all that CG in Avatar why can't another studio do an all Transformers movie?
It's partly due to how Spielberg operates these days as a producer. I remember either reading it in an interview or the TF1 DVD commentary where Bay recounts that Spielberg likes to limit the budget of the movies he produces to generate creativity in the directors, which is a very foolish thing to do for a movie that centers on CG robots, if you ask me.
Bay had all these ginormous ideas of transforming aircraft carriers and stuff [if I recall correctly], but the budget given by Spielberg was just not enough to realize even a fraction of his ideas.
So what? Spielberg's responsible? Damn.
Atary77 wrote:I've been doing some thinking looking back on what I wrote and unlike when I was angry and wrote this in my original blog before I posted it here I took an honest look at what I wrote and also took in the opinions of all others here that posted and I came to a few conclusions that I think I can learn from all this.
1. I may have been harsh on these films and some of the reasons I cited. Most notably the racist stuff. I think even I must admit I was wrong about Skids and Mudflap. Just because they have gold teeth and talk the way they do dosen't make them racially insensitive however they are still very very annoying. As for Burnie Mack's character and the hacker guy I should give them a pass since not every african american has to be a positive male role model. As for mister Bay himself ,I went too far making some of the claims I did make of his personal character. I do still think he's rather arrogant and even childish with his sense of toilet humor. But he wasn't the only one responsible for that one as the two writers mentioned by others here are responsible as well. There's a place in other movies for that I just don't feel these movies were it.
2. Again the opinions I expressed were just that. Opinions that should be taken with a grain of salt. But even I can see that I took this too seriously than I should have at the time I wrote that original blog which wasn't long after the third film came out. No my childhood memories were not raped they were simply not represented properly. I still feel Bay and Spielberg both did not care enough about the Robot characters and that both of them shouldn't have worked on this. The same could possibly be said about Don Murphy but I could be wrong.
3. There are in fact good qualities to these films such as the effects of the robots and the fights between them. However I'm still disappointed there couldn't be more of them as I still feel the robots should've had priority over the human characters. However there was still a positive impact to these films. It got people talking about the characters again. I admit I smile knowing there are little kids who think of Optimus Prime as their hero now as I did when I was a kid.
4. The reason I let this get to me so much is because over the years I was hoping for what I had as my vision for these films and with the input given from you members here I can see that my vision probably wouldn't have appealed to a main stream audiance (that vision being a cross between Gen 1 and the recent comics). And this movie wasn't made for me, it was made for the general public that don't know anything about the characters or mythos. But as I mentioned above it still had a positive impact getting those who never heard of Transformers before to look into it all and become fans themselves.
In conclusion I can admit when I'm wrong and when I went overboard. Which I did. But I am glad to get the opinions and input that everyone contributed here even if some of them sounded insulting because honestly I can't blame anyone for wanting to accuse me of trolling or being ignorant etc. And perhaps I was ignorant. Made ignorant by strong emotions over reading too much into something that quite honestly, I shouldn't have let get to me.
I still don't think the movies are that great though as I still find myself bored whenever the robots are not on screen. Because that's what I want to see. That's who's dialog I wanna hear. That's who I wanna see fighting. Unfortunatly they got the back seat cause of the people in charge. I don't hate these movies, I just don't like them. But I won't judge those who do like them, infact more power to them. But that was opinion though, nothing more.
I will apologize to the moderators on this fine site though. You guys put up with a lot of ignorance and foolishness and you strive to make the community here civil. But like I said I wanted my opinions challenged. I wanted to see what those who had different opinions thought. And if people agreed with me that's still cool. But I realize now that I was hastey in my actions and the way I went about things.
Still that's my opinions though folks and honestly I enjoyed reading what others had to say here. Well the constructive stuff anyway.
Decepticon_Vandal wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Decepticon_Vandal wrote:JeffX wrote:Here's the thing. People want to watch a movie with some human involvement in it. As a Transformer fan I want to see more Transformers but I realize that they would not make a successful movie by doing that. Most of us love the original animated movie, but it didn't fare well in the theater. Nor would that same movie do well again in 2007.
But are the Cybertronians not anthropomorphic enough to be relatable? Honestly, with a good script it could have been successful with much less human involvement.
And you think all that CG would be cheap?
Its still feasible. Hell, if James Cameron can make all that CG in Avatar why can't another studio do an all Transformers movie?
Master Renegade wrote:
To unnecessarily clarify, all anyone who's not a TF fan knows of Transformers anymore is these movies. I am ashamed to be considered a fan of Transformers now because of that. These movies would need a ton of improvement for me to consider them as simply bad, and I do not want to be associated with anything like that. Their opinion is of the movies irrelevant in that equation, only that they mistake me to be a fan of them simply because I several other incarnations of the franchise.
As for whether I believe you should be ashamed to like them: Yes, I do. I think everyone involved with them should be ashamed of making them, I think Hasbro should be ashamed of capitalizing on them, and theaters should be ashamed to show them. I think EVERYONE should be ashamed of having standards so low that they think these movies are good.
Don't, however, mistake that to mean that I expect you, or anyone else, will be ashamed. I've long ago quit expecting anyone to be ashamed of anything.
Master Renegade wrote:I think everyone involved with them should be ashamed of making them, I think Hasbro should be ashamed of capitalizing on them, and theaters should be ashamed to show them. I think EVERYONE should be ashamed of having standards so low that they think these movies are good.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Master Renegade wrote:I think everyone involved with them should be ashamed of making them, I think Hasbro should be ashamed of capitalizing on them, and theaters should be ashamed to show them. I think EVERYONE should be ashamed of having standards so low that they think these movies are good.
Get your head out of your ass.
Treetop Maximus wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Master Renegade wrote:I think everyone involved with them should be ashamed of making them, I think Hasbro should be ashamed of capitalizing on them, and theaters should be ashamed to show them. I think EVERYONE should be ashamed of having standards so low that they think these movies are good.
Get your head out of your ass.
A friend of mine has a pretty good term for people like that. I would get in serious trouble if I mentioned it on this site.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Master Renegade wrote:I think everyone involved with them should be ashamed of making them, I think Hasbro should be ashamed of capitalizing on them, and theaters should be ashamed to show them. I think EVERYONE should be ashamed of having standards so low that they think these movies are good.
Get your head out of your ass.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Treetop Maximus wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Master Renegade wrote:I think everyone involved with them should be ashamed of making them, I think Hasbro should be ashamed of capitalizing on them, and theaters should be ashamed to show them. I think EVERYONE should be ashamed of having standards so low that they think these movies are good.
Get your head out of your ass.
A friend of mine has a pretty good term for people like that. I would get in serious trouble if I mentioned it on this site.
I tried not to be so blunt because I didn't want to get mod-slapped, but a comment like that deserves a response like that. I had something a lot worse in mind at first, but I settled for that.
5150 Cruiser wrote:[DECEASED] wrote:It's not about hating Bay personally, it's about being a supporter of someone that couldn't give a damn about the fandom or the franchise some deem he has sullied. Bay has vocalized his disgust towards us, and I believe that several fans have the right to express their opinions of the product in return. .
Yes he has vocalised his disgust towards the fandom. This part is true. But one thing that everyone seems to forget is this was after his house was broken into, as well as after he recieved death threats for Optimus Prime's Peter built having flames. I don't know about you but i'd have a preety sour taste about the fandom as well.
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