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Who wins?

Loki.

Sinestro is badass, but dont see him taking down a God.

Loki was the guy the Gods looked to when they needed a problem solved, or when they needed someone else to have a brand new problem, and he was really, really good at it. He shouldn't have a problem with a pink guy with a magic ring.

I'm going to say Sinestro. He has subjugated entire planets in this universe and its' anti-matter equivalent, and the power of his ring is that it allows him to create anything he is capable of imagining. If we're talking Sinestro Corps Sinestro, he effectively wields the power of two spectrums, being Fear and Will. He is a fearless and ruthless guy who has beaten some of his unverses' baddest asses. He's also relentless, and in order to actually beat him, you must kill him. I don't mean like "hurr need to kill him!" I mean, you would literally have to kill him.

Loki's a god, sure. But in the Avengers the Hulk knocked him out. Loki's pretty cool as well, but Sinestro, man, Sinestro is an unstopping force.

Dagon wrote:and the power of his ring is that it allows him to create anything he is capable of imagining.

To a limit, it turns out. Constructs aren't indestructible.

Dagon wrote:If we're talking Sinestro Corps Sinestro, he effectively wields the power of two spectrums, being Fear and Will.

Kyle Rayner, for a short time, wielded the power of all seven emotions, and Guy Gardener has used both Rage and Will simultaneously. Also, Yellow rings are fueled by the fear of the victim, not the wielder's willpower.

Dagon wrote:He's also relentless, and in order to actually beat him, you must kill him. I don't mean like "hurr need to kill him!" I mean, you would literally have to kill him.

You should probably finish reading Sinestro Corps War; Hal and Kyle successfully subdue and arrest him, without killing him.

Shadowman wrote:

Dagon wrote:and the power of his ring is that it allows him to create anything he is capable of imagining.

To a limit, it turns out. Constructs aren't indestructible.

Yeah, and? The Lantern universe is filled with battles that are resolved through the use of force, and no one there has had any issue with constructs not being permanent. Constructs get broken all the time.

Dagon wrote:If we're talking Sinestro Corps Sinestro, he effectively wields the power of two spectrums, being Fear and Will.

Kyle Rayner, for a short time, wielded the power of all seven emotions, and Guy Gardener has used both Rage and Will simultaneously. Also, Yellow rings are fueled by the fear of the victim, not the wielder's willpower.
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Yeah, and Sinestro was the original (meaning in this case, the first person to) wield the White Light, which was all the colors of the spectrum in their unified form. Kyle didn't wield all the lights, he ended up being 'chosen' by all seven rings, but he never wore any of them in that instance. The only other lights Kyle (who's my favorite Earth Lantern) has successfully wielded were Blue and Yellow, if we count his being forcibly turned into Parallax as wielding a light as opposed to being possessed by an Entity.
As for the Yellow rings not being fueled by Will, I'm not sure that was ever in question. They do draw some degree of power from the fear of the opponent, but they are primarily powered, like all the rings are, by their central battery. The advantage that a Yellow ring has is that if the wearer can instill fear in their target the wearer gets a boost of power. So, if Sinestro were able to make Loki fear him, Sinestro would get said power boost. But, I'm not really sure how that rustles my initial response in any way.

Dagon wrote:He's also relentless, and in order to actually beat him, you must kill him. I don't mean like "hurr need to kill him!" I mean, you would literally have to kill him.

You should probably finish reading Sinestro Corps War; Hal and Kyle successfully subdue and arrest him, without killing him.[/quote]


That's cute, and while I thank you for your concern, rest easy knowing that I have. What I said was that in order to beat Sinestro, one would have to kill him. Yes, Hal and Guy subdue him, shortly after which he escapes from Oa in search of more mischief. I would have to say that seeing as he was able to get back into action that would indicate Hal and Guy didn't kill him, and honestly, that sort of supports my initial point. Yeah, they subdue him, but he just kept on doing his Sinestro thing, and in fact does so to this day.
And, if you've read anything post Sinestro Corps War, you know that the list of challengers gets longer and tougher. Hal and Guy are certainly no Mongul or Weaponer, and in the New 52 stuff Sinestro at one point fights off an entire planet of people who are bent on kicking his ass, albeit with an assist from Hal.

Shadowman wrote:

Dagon wrote:and the power of his ring is that it allows him to create anything he is capable of imagining.

To a limit, it turns out. Constructs aren't indestructible.

Yeah, and? The Lantern universe is filled with battles that are resolved through the use of force, and no one there has had any issue with constructs not being permanent. Constructs get broken all the time.

Shadowman wrote:

Dagon wrote:If we're talking Sinestro Corps Sinestro, he effectively wields the power of two spectrums, being Fear and Will.

Kyle Rayner, for a short time, wielded the power of all seven emotions, and Guy Gardener has used both Rage and Will simultaneously. Also, Yellow rings are fueled by the fear of the victim, not the wielder's willpower.

Yeah, and Sinestro was the original (meaning in this case, the first person to) wield the White Light, which was all the colors of the spectrum in their unified form. Kyle didn't wield all the lights, he ended up being 'chosen' by all seven rings, but he never wore any of them in that instance. The only other lights Kyle (who's my favorite Earth Lantern) has successfully wielded were Blue and Yellow, if we count his being forcibly turned into Parallax as wielding a light as opposed to being possessed by an Entity.
As for the Yellow rings not being fueled by Will, I'm not sure that was ever in question. They do draw some degree of power from the fear of the opponent, but they are primarily powered, like all the rings are, by their central battery. The advantage that a Yellow ring has is that if the wearer can instill fear in their target the wearer gets a boost of power. So, if Sinestro were able to make Loki fear him, Sinestro would get said power boost. But, I'm not really sure how that rustles my initial response in any way.

Shadowman wrote:

Dagon wrote:He's also relentless, and in order to actually beat him, you must kill him. I don't mean like "hurr need to kill him!" I mean, you would literally have to kill him.

You should probably finish reading Sinestro Corps War; Hal and Kyle successfully subdue and arrest him, without killing him.

That's cute, and while I thank you for your concern, rest easy knowing that I have. What I said was that in order to beat Sinestro, one would have to kill him. Yes, Hal and Guy subdue him, shortly after which he escapes from Oa in search of more mischief. I would have to say that seeing as he was able to get back into action that would indicate Hal and Guy didn't kill him, and honestly, that sort of supports my initial point. Yeah, they subdue him, but he just kept on doing his Sinestro thing, and in fact does so to this day. Subduing someone is different from killing them.
And, if you've read anything post Sinestro Corps War, you know that the list of challengers gets longer and tougher. Hal and Guy are certainly no Mongul or Weaponer, and in the New 52 stuff Sinestro at one point fights off an entire planet of people who are bent on kicking his ass, albeit with an assist from Hal.

Dagon wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Dagon wrote:and the power of his ring is that it allows him to create anything he is capable of imagining.

To a limit, it turns out. Constructs aren't indestructible.

Yeah, and? The Lantern universe is filled with battles that are resolved through the use of force, and no one there has had any issue with constructs not being permanent. Constructs get broken all the time.

So then why did you bring it up? It's hardly a power unique to Sinestro, and it's imperfect; anyone sufficiently strong can break through it.

Dagon wrote:Yeah, and Sinestro was the original (meaning in this case, the first person to) wield the White Light, which was all the colors of the spectrum in their unified form.

He was possessed by the The Entity, at least until Nekron removed it from him, then it possessed Hal, who actually managed to use it.

Dagon wrote:Kyle didn't wield all the lights, he ended up being 'chosen' by all seven rings, but he never wore any of them in that instance.

Nope, he actually did wield all seven rings at once. Then he passed out from the stress of trying to wield all seven rings at once.

Dagon wrote:Yes, Hal and Guy subdue him, shortly after which he escapes from Oa in search of more mischief.

First off, Hal and Kyle. Second, no, he was broken out by the remnants of the Sinestro Corps, then kidnapped by the Red Lanterns, then rescued again by the Sinestro Corps.

Dagon wrote:I would have to say that seeing as he was able to get back into action that would indicate Hal and Guy didn't kill him, and honestly, that sort of supports my initial point. Yeah, they subdue him, but he just kept on doing his Sinestro thing, and in fact does so to this day. Subduing someone is different from killing them.

And? Every supervillain does that.

Shadowman wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Dagon wrote:and the power of his ring is that it allows him to create anything he is capable of imagining.

To a limit, it turns out. Constructs aren't indestructible.

Yeah, and? The Lantern universe is filled with battles that are resolved through the use of force, and no one there has had any issue with constructs not being permanent. Constructs get broken all the time.

So then why did you bring it up? It's hardly a power unique to Sinestro, and it's imperfect; anyone sufficiently strong can break through it.

I didn't. You brought up the idea that constructs are breakable. I just said he could create anything he could imagine.

Shadowman wrote:

Dagon wrote:Yeah, and Sinestro was the original (meaning in this case, the first person to) wield the White Light, which was all the colors of the spectrum in their unified form.

He was possessed by the The Entity, at least until Nekron removed it from him, then it possessed Hal, who actually managed to use it.

Right. But Sinestro was still the first guy to be in possession of the White Light.

Shadowman wrote:

Dagon wrote:Kyle didn't wield all the lights, he ended up being 'chosen' by all seven rings, but he never wore any of them in that instance.

Nope, he actually did wield all seven rings at once. Then he passed out from the stress of trying to wield all seven rings at once.

Ok, I guess I'm remembering that wrong. But in honesty, I'm not sure how this or the White Light part indicate that I'm somehow wrong. It doesn't change the idea that Sinestro has used either the White or the Yellow or the Green.

Shadowman wrote:

Dagon wrote:Yes, Hal and Guy subdue him, shortly after which he escapes from Oa in search of more mischief.

First off, Hal and Kyle. Second, no, he was broken out by the remnants of the Sinestro Corps, then kidnapped by the Red Lanterns, then rescued again by the Sinestro Corps.

Ok, Kyle. I'm mistaken. But, regardless of who captured him or released him, he remained alive, and thus was able to keep going about his business. The Sinestro Corps got him out as part of a jailbreak, and even after Atrocitus beat him up pretty good, Sinestro survived. So, once again, I'm not sure how his not being killed means that I'm wrong in my idea that he'll keep fighting unless someone kills him.

Shadowman wrote:

Dagon wrote:I would have to say that seeing as he was able to get back into action that would indicate Hal and Guy didn't kill him, and honestly, that sort of supports my initial point. Yeah, they subdue him, but he just kept on doing his Sinestro thing, and in fact does so to this day. Subduing someone is different from killing them.

And? Every supervillain does that.

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So then, how is Loki better? Wouldn't Loki do supervillain things as well? I'm not sure how this is a refutation either.

Dagon wrote:So then, how is Loki better? Wouldn't Loki do supervillain things as well? I'm not sure how this is a refutation either.

That's a good question: How does Sinestro's persistence, a fundamental aspect of every major comic book villain, make him better than Loki? We're talking about a God who, at least in the movies, it took a beating from the Incredible Hulk to keep him down just long enough to subdue him, and he's still confirmed to be an antagonist in the next Thor movie.