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Psychout wrote:Cybertron; a planet destroyed.
History calls it:
Heavy Metal War: First Generation.
You watched, as for millennia the Autobots and Decepticons fought a civil war that ended when Optimus Prime, making the ultimate sacrifice, hurled himself and his nemesis Megatron into the core of Cybertron, uniting it with the Matrix.
The shockwave crashed all transformer-descended life across the universe.
The Great War was ended, but the cost was huge.
This was ‘The Great Reset’
The time for the First Generation was over, thus began:
Heavy Metal War: The Organic Age
You saw Cybertron, devastated and drifting in space until struck by an alien asteroid.
From this, a new species of Transformer evolved; Efficient, smaller, just as powerful - maybe even deadlier. Heroic peacekeepers and warlike predators took the names Maximal and Predacon and war resumes for a new generation whilst the Autobots and Decepticons, reactivated as weapons of war, broke free to continue to their unending battle across Cybertron.
Now it is time for you to join that war.
Maximal, Autobot, Predacon, Decepticon; four factions fighting for Cybertron; to protect her; to bring her peace; to conquer her; to make her the seat of power in the universe. Will you choose to further Cybertron’s evolution and stop the archaic first generation tearing your planet apart or will you choose the fight to eradicate this new organic disease that has infected your home and decendants?
Chose your allegiance carefully:Maximals; Reluctantly fighting the Predacon’s to bring order to your world, drawn deeper into conflict by the warlike ways of the ancient Autobots and Decepticons that ravaged the planet so long ago. All must be stopped if order is to survive.
Predacons; Fighting to seize control of Cybertron and purge the weak Maximal fools, to return the world it to its natural chaotic state ruled by us alone. If the ancients try to stand in our way, then they will be destroyed for none can oppose our might.
Or chose to follow the ancient path of the Autobot or Decepticon survivors, continue the great galactic war that raged across the universe, and purge the planet of all who would oppose you or threaten your freedom.
Defend or destroy, purge or protect?
Four Warring Factions
Heavy
Two Generations
Metal
One Planet
War
The strategy game that's more than meets the eye..
The Original Plan wrote: And if someone wants to take over my idea for the Beast Wars Tourney, be my guest. It was generally well received among those I sent it to, but I'm not a writer, as I had told them, and I feel that it needs someone of at least modest skill.
The premise was taken from Pyschout's post starting off the new era, with the Beasties developing from the meteor, but since there were beast factions before that event, my idea was that the meteor was actually the beasties returning to cybertron. Rat Convoy had a good idea that was a variation, where the beasties had taken control of Cybertron and the G1ers returned, being the meteor I guess.
But, given the nature of the game, fighting between the two factions quickly spreads, focusing around Iacon. The Gen 1 factions for the tournament would be considered offline. Missions against those factions wouldn't nessicarily count, though I believe Psychout offered that they could be drones, playing off his story where the beast factions are awakening the Gen 1 factions and using them as proxy soldiers. The only downside I see to that is that it would favor the Maximals more then just counting the beast missions.
During the first day of fighting, the winning side would find the matrix in the offline corpse of (a) Prime, and the fighting would revolve around that, each day would be fighting for control of the matrix, winning faction for the day getting possession of it, and if we could, the first day would determine who had it (winning faction best performer) with each day either the matrix going to either the best of the winner or the one who managed to defeat the current holder the most for the day in the tournament missions.
For the backstory, Rat and I were discussing whether to use canon characters, or pick from people who play the game for the factions and have them be the leaders. I favor using people from the game honestly, because there are no canon characters in HMW. People might use a canon name, they may use a canon background, but I view the game as more of a original universe, with it's own unique characters. For better or worse.
The original plan was fighting for territory or something, with the matrix coming in at the end and awakening the G1ers (a stray shot hits the matrix, causing it to release a bit of it's power and bringing the offline bots back online, like in DW's G1 series), leading into part two to be run at a later time with all 4 factions fighting for the matrix.
Honestly, I think it's a pretty deceint idea, and something that could be fun to play. But I've come to the conclusion that I'm not the one to run it. As I said, I'm not a writer. It needs one in my opinion. And with the way things are going in life for me, I'm pretty much to depressed to put forth the effort, as much as I really want to see it go forward and be run.
Absolute Zero's Second Idea wrote:Oh! Idea! What if Psychout's meteor contained nanobots? It solves the problem of microbes reformmating transformers, and it directly connects to his story. The nanobots could have begun reformatting fallen warriors into beasties, and nanomachines can replicate or imitate organic flesh, depending on the source you reference, and protoforms, from what I read online (yah, real reliable I know) have a lot of nanobots in them. They build the body ontop of a base frame.
Wingspan wrote:Proposed Narrative
Part 0 - Idle Peace
I'm thinking we run a narrative that's told beginning at the moment of the Matrix waking up the G1ers and bring the moments of time up to that through dialogue of characters and flashback. The first sentence could simply be "One bad shot" and the whole tourney builds to who fired that bad shot.
"You slaggin' fools! We had resolved this nonsense on Gaea and your power hungry.."
*explosion*
"Stow it fuzzball - we were not going to be subjects again; common enemies create new opportunities now. Until we trash these resurrected zombie relics lets hold on past differences."
Enter flashback to tell story of crash, introduction to Seibs, and a time of harmony. This would also tell of the discovery of the G1 stasis locked bodies and how both sides gathered them as a joint cleanup - this could be the catalysts for the initial peace. All this is a neutral setup to drive character inclusion in remaining segments based on tournament success.
Part 1 - War Resurrection
Let's re-use the Beast Wars (Cartoon) common ground that the Predacons are unsatisfied with being controlled subjects and that it's been so long no good history accurately records why the Fuzzies have dominance over Squishes. Conflict starts simply over territory - Preds want to have a designated area (e.g. state, country), Maxs decline, Preds establish anyway, Maxs start to push - then bang.
First part of the tournament would determine which Maxs push and which Preds push back.
Part 2 - History Revealed
Time (2-3 months) has passed. Top player of winning faction for second part (note: I did ask for some periods between collecting missions; these parts are generic and just indicate that tournament happens then results dictate story) were involved in a heavy conflict (need links for their sole-survivor / nearly lost missions to incorporate other characters) and damaged. In retreating from the field they venture for cover and, in accessing data banks to setup some security while repairs are done, some history is uncovered (the fall of Prime and Megatron, the leaderless factions, and the planet wide stasis).
We could then have this told as the winning team bringing the news back to the faction along with a proposal to search out revealed areas; in one of these areas the Matrix is discovered. (Describing the depth and destruction internal to Seibertron will be a challenge but worth it - as well as the remains of the former G1 leaders). (note: I know this isn't the Matrix on Day 1 but Day 2, but it sets up better I think)
Part 3 through X - Charred Metal
Recounting conflict in segments following each tournament part - by this point contributing teams will stand out and their characters (if they provide backgrounds / participate) can drive content. If not, then we'll apply their progress to chosen canon characters which best represent how things have progressed. (To Psychout, the Midget Mod, thanks for that point; writing this to our characters will only work with larger participation)
The matrix will begin to change hands - the first time it does let's write it as the attempt to use it as a weapon (based on the data bank review mentioned previously). Then it's fighting over to try and claim it (which leads to the "One Shot" which restarts the G1ers).
During this, we can arbitrarily choose to include the G1 missions as possibly counting as the two sides enable the fallen bodies as "drones"; since the Beasts will not have any ties to either side, every mission could count. However - we do not HAVE to include the G1 missions, it's an option. Doing so will mean writing in the re-animation and controlling of the drone bodies - any volunteer Mad Scientists on either side? If a consistent losing side can be identified, we can choose them to be the initiator (out of desperation) or it could be the current matrix holder (as a reward for holding the matrix). (reminder: Only the Beasts are competing, this is more so to let a broader mission pool be selectable for entry.)
Quantity of segments is determined by how long we run the tournament.
Part X+1 - One Fated Shot
We somehow determine who gets to be the hero / moron / fated fool who activates the Matrix and re-grants life to the G1ers, breaking their drone state. Narrative picks up from the moment it first began with the bickering Max/Pred and the last segment of the tournament (where we'll do something special to include more missions and the G1 missions) will be a big blowout with massive repercussions.
Edit: We could have the One Fated Shot be the last story we write, but have another tournament segment that follows with no additional story. It will let the story close at a good climax and then let the tournament missions have their own good conclusion.
Edit 2: As this can be broken down into segments, this opens up the possibility for contribution to a much broader group - not just AZ or I - making this truly a HMW event.
People wrote:zombybunnie: N_V scares me...I no longer wish that my pants transformed
Burn:Anyone notice how much of a boring party pooper N_V is? He doesn't join in the fun, he's spent the last few years with dodgy builds feeding XP to the Autobots, and he sure as heck doesn't spam.
disruptor96: I forgot how insane you were.
Name_Violation wrote:I keep hoping that some tournies or scalp hunts or anything would pop up for us preds...
Name_Violation wrote:
if i knew more i'd be willing to do something myself.
People wrote:zombybunnie: N_V scares me...I no longer wish that my pants transformed
Burn:Anyone notice how much of a boring party pooper N_V is? He doesn't join in the fun, he's spent the last few years with dodgy builds feeding XP to the Autobots, and he sure as heck doesn't spam.
disruptor96: I forgot how insane you were.
Psychout wrote:Actually, you'd be suprised.
Absolute Zero had an idea for a tourney that he has been throwing around for the last few weeks between you guys and the Maximals, and there is a fair bit of interest in joining you faction should the opportunity ever arise, so the interest is there.
Seriously; get AZ, ex-pRed and youself together and see what you can come up with. Anything that raises the profile of the best factions is good...
Absolute Zero wrote:...
Honestly, I think it's a pretty deceint idea, and something that could be fun to play. But I've come to the conclusion that I'm not the one to run it. As I said, I'm not a writer. It needs one in my opinion. And with the way things are going in life for me, I'm pretty much to depressed to put forth the effort, as much as I really want to see it go forward and be run.
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You've been talking to Phaze too much.Wingspan wrote:...Seconding our midget moderator's point...
Psychout wrote:You've been talking to Phaze too much.Wingspan wrote:...Seconding our midget moderator's point...![]()
Wingspan wrote:AZ tournament idea is phenomenal. (Read here - viewtopic.php?f=201&t=46527&p=834640#p834343) Seconding our midget moderator's point that collaboration is what's key - we're a community game after all.
Wingspan wrote:Absolute Zero wrote:...
Honestly, I think it's a pretty deceint idea, and something that could be fun to play. But I've come to the conclusion that I'm not the one to run it. As I said, I'm not a writer. It needs one in my opinion. And with the way things are going in life for me, I'm pretty much to depressed to put forth the effort, as much as I really want to see it go forward and be run.
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I'm in - but I won't take this over from you. What I will do is help translate your thoughts into story. PM and we can discuss / start an email chain with whomever is interested. Would volunteer players with character backgrounds be the right next step to translate the outline into narrative?
As for the depression, and not to over-step bounds into too many assumptions, doing something you care about can be the best medicine.
Not sure that's possible outside of direct coding for the game.Wingspan wrote:Would it be possible to do something so that for a brief period the factions only generate against each other for the tournament sake? Would that even be necessary or do others think it can be executed with the missions as-is?
Get you're heads together with the preds and maximals and write this thing then...AZ wrote:People keep praising me, my head might swell even more.![]()
Psychout wrote:Not sure that's possible outside of direct coding for the game.Wingspan wrote:Would it be possible to do something so that for a brief period the factions only generate against each other for the tournament sake? Would that even be necessary or do others think it can be executed with the missions as-is?
I dont get to see them, but how frequent are the max/pred missions?Get you're heads together with the preds and maximals and write this thing then...AZ wrote:People keep praising me, my head might swell even more.![]()
Psychout wrote:I dont get to see them, but how frequent are the max/pred missions?
Absolute Zero wrote:Get you're heads together with the preds and maximals and write this thing then...AZ wrote:People keep praising me, my head might swell even more.![]()
Ok, so how often are they full?Kaijubot wrote:Theoretically as common as any other sort of mission, I think, but in practicallity I see far more Max vs Con missions than anything else (aside from a statistical anomaly this morning when I managed to generate two missions against each faction.)
Psychout wrote:Ok, so how often are they full?Kaijubot wrote:Theoretically as common as any other sort of mission, I think, but in practicallity I see far more Max vs Con missions than anything else (aside from a statistical anomaly this morning when I managed to generate two missions against each faction.)
Aboslute Zero wrote:For the backstory, Rat and I were discussing whether to use canon characters, or pick from people who play the game for the factions and have them be the leaders. I favor using people from the game honestly, because there are no canon characters in HMW. People might use a canon name, they may use a canon background, but I view the game as more of a original universe, with it's own unique characters. For better or worse.
Aboslute Zero wrote:The premise was taken from Pyschout's post starting off the new era, with the Beasties developing from the meteor, but since there were beast factions before that event, my idea was that the meteor was actually the beasties returning to cybertron. Rat Convoy had a good idea that was a variation, where the beasties had taken control of Cybertron and the G1ers returned, being the meteor I guess.
...
During the first day of fighting, the winning side would find the matrix in the offline corpse of (a) Prime, and the fighting would revolve around that, each day would be fighting for control of the matrix, winning faction for the day getting possession of it, and if we could, the first day would determine who had it (winning faction best performer) with each day either the matrix going to either the best of the winner or the one who managed to defeat the current holder the most for the day in the tournament missions.
...
The original plan was fighting for territory or something, with the matrix coming in at the end and awakening the G1ers (a stray shot hits the matrix, causing it to release a bit of it's power and bringing the offline bots back online, like in DW's G1 series), leading into part two to be run at a later time with all 4 factions fighting for the matrix.
Tammuz wrote:Sumo, though i'm not really sure about starlock.
Absolute Zero wrote:Tammuz wrote:Sumo, though i'm not really sure about starlock.
I picked him for lack of another option.
Another planet the beasties could come from is Jungle Planet.
Crapy Story wrote:The ship breaks out of hyperspace. Fires burning where the engines should be. Scorch marks and holes cover the ship, the most heavy damage coming in the rear.
"We've lost main thrust and rear weapons. Sensors and nav as well." the robotic form at the helm reports.
"Use manuevering jets. Try to get us broadside for when they come out, then open with everything we've got." The captain responds.
The ship slowly begins to turn, but not fast enough as the second ship erupts into real space behind it and begins opening fire. The first ship beings to blindly return fire, mildly raking the second ship, but causing no serious damage, as the second crosses above the first ship.
More fireballs explode out of the first ship as it seems that at any moment, it might ultimately explode. Ultimately, a worse fate awaits it, as it begins falling into the metal planet below's gravity well.
The second ship follows behind, firing constantly. Not willing to simply assume that the planet will finish their job.
"Jettison all stasis pods. Arm forward facing missiles and eject them. If they're going to follow us down, lets make sure they die as well." The captain orders.
The second ship following behind doesn't slow, doesn't cease firing. Some of the stasis pods are blasted, others collide with the ship and are sent spiraling away. The missiles do their job and cripple the second ship, causing it to not be able to contol itself in the gravity well either.
Both ships begin their descent into the metallic world. The first crashing through what once was a spire amid a great city. The second slamming into the ground further away.
From orbit, the surviving stasis pods begin their decent down to the planet. Warriors inside ready to begin their war again on a new planet.
Kaijubot wrote:Absolute Zero wrote:Tammuz wrote:Sumo, though i'm not really sure about starlock.
I picked him for lack of another option.
Another planet the beasties could come from is Jungle Planet.
Ah, yes, good ol' Animatros.
Incidentally, why would the Maximals and Predacons (as factions) come from anywhere but Cybertron? If the new, more fuel effecient bodies were smaller than the previous ones it would make sense that they might adopt alt modes better suited to the size.
Psychout wrote:The idea of the article I wrote was in the vein of the beast wars factions evolving whilst the ancients were all shut down.
Bearing in mind that the G1's would have brought the knowledge of earth based animals and such back with them it would have been stored in Cybertrons databanks until reactivated then, using the asteroid was the catalyst like Mt. St. Hilary erupting in the G1 cartoon, the databanks 'woke up' and reformatted everything using organics.
If that helps, feel free to use it...
My suggestion to AZ was to run the tourney between you guys to start, then involve the cross-gen missions using the G1's as 'war drones', and then when the matrix is 'redescovered' the ancients can wake up and get back to trashing the planet.
As a sidenote though; Writing a story involviong fan-made characters can be fun, but everyone has their own nuances as to how their characters should act, which is why I stayed away from it as much as possible and stuck to canons. For the article, I started with a ramble 3 pages long involving loads of different ones and just edited the hell out of it, kinda like this post...
Wingspan wrote:Now, last contribution for the moment - my preference would be the asteroid / meteor sparking something on Seibertron itself which begins the beast creation rather than either generation returning; the introduction of organic material on a world that's had time to heal from the G1 conflict which sparks the new creations. But that's primarily because I'm having difficulty imaging where either generation would return from; give me that and my opinion can easily be swayed.
Edit: On reading AZ's team I realize he deserve a nut-kicking for stating he cannot write and the meteor / asteroid bringing something would be interesting as, for those stories to hold, it would have to bring something human.
Absolute Zero wrote:My thinking was that because the beast factions where added before the restart, that they could be returning.
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