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And Prime even got the luxury of a bonus epilogue made after its final production development had wrapped up, something only one other TF cartoon has ever gotten: Cyberverse.Quantum Surge wrote:Ik people said that shows like TFP or Animated ended sooner than intended, but I can at least say they were able to make their finales not feel rushed. I have a chance Earthspark's ending will probably be more like RID15's where it's a case of "they have more adventures off-screen", but who even knows at this point.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I think we are also forgetting: this show is hard to watch, from a "find the show to actually watch" way. Paramount+ is one of the lower ranked streaming services, and the Nick schedule has been far behind and very lightly advertised.
snavej wrote:Studios are making massive losses on woke products right now. They're moving away from them, not because they're evil but because they're unprofitable.
-Kanrabat- wrote:Earthspark had the creepiest faces in TF history...
DeathReviews wrote:Heck, even GOOD Transformers shows, like Transformers Animated, have been cancelled prematurely. It's disingenuous to blame a show's failure on a convenient boogerman like intolerance. That's just deflecting responsibility to an intangible, ideological scapegoat. Lay the ultimate responsibility where it belongs - on the show itself.
If a show is any good, people will watch - regardless of 'intolerance' or 'conservative news outlets'. As for Earthspark itself, when it was first teased I said: "Transformers is supposed to be a story about good vs. evil, depicted as a civil war between two factions of giant, alien robots. If Earthspark tries to make it about something else, if their writing gets subsumed in some weird crusade to 'redefine what it means to be a family', then the show will fail."
And it didn't help that Nickelodeon kept bouncing it around so unpredictably. You can't keep a show almost a dead secret, then ambush viewers with episodes without telling them when it's on, then act surprised when ratings are low.
Masterforce?Deadput wrote:You just need good writers who can make both humans and Transformers work.
Where've you been? Politics have been ingrained in Transformers since the very beginning. The war for energy in both the G1 cartoon and the Marvel Comics was all one big metaphor for the oil crisis of the late 1970s.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I mean, putting any politics in a kids show is kinda screwed up.
It didn't happen "suddenly", it happened over the course of several years. The show just begins after all those years have already passed. And even at that point, Megatron still felt like he had much more atoning and forgiveness to work towards, and was still making efforts to reach that atonement. From his perspective, he wasn't yet fully absolved, but was on the path of redemption (and had been on it for a long time). Heck, because of his past transgressions, he may never feel fully redeemed, and will continue to spend the rest of his life trying to make right his sins of the past.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:And Megatron becoming good all of the sudden just can't work. He committed WAR CRIMES, he can't just come out and be like, "alright guys I'm good now". That's just insane!
Well, there's your problem. You can't really make an educated critique of something you only have a passing familiarity with.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:(I barely did)
They kinda already are going that route for EarthSpark season 2. Robby and Mo have suits of battle armor around their bodies, and may even be able to combine with the Autobots or Terrans with mech armor if the Cyber Combiner toys are anything to go by.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I think we should scrap the terrans and do transtectors. It'll make the weak humans useful and child soldiers kid appeal characters with actual powers would be refreshing. Anyone else down to bring back masterforce? If the bracelets are too cringe we can steal the cyber sleeves and reissue the blasters from the ES toyline so "You too, can use the Masterforce!", or whatever. But obviously, we can't call it the "masterforce" anymore, so...
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Where've you been? Politics have been ingrained in Transformers since the very beginning. The war for energy in both the G1 cartoon and the Marvel Comics was all one big metaphor for the oil crisis of the late 1970s.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I mean, putting any politics in a kids show is kinda screwed up.
Sabrblade wrote:Well, there's your problem. You can't really make an educated critique of something you only have a passing familiarity with.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:(I barely did)
That didn't happen.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:It's interesting to upgrade Bee into a more G1 look for season two (I think it was)
He's not dead.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I was glad to see a more obscure hardtop thrown in to get killed off, I would do the same
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:They kinda already are going that route for EarthSpark season 2. Robby and Mo have suits of battle armor around their bodies, and may even be able to combine with the Autobots or Terrans with mech armor if the Cyber Combiner toys are anything to go by.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I think we should scrap the terrans and do transtectors. It'll make the weak humans useful and child soldiers kid appeal characters with actual powers would be refreshing. Anyone else down to bring back masterforce? If the bracelets are too cringe we can steal the cyber sleeves and reissue the blasters from the ES toyline so "You too, can use the Masterforce!", or whatever. But obviously, we can't call it the "masterforce" anymore, so...
Then what is this?Sabrblade wrote:That didn't happen.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:It's interesting to upgrade Bee into a more G1 look for season two (I think it was)
Utilizing an obscure-ish character and going as far as to resurrect him? Awesome, even better!Sabrblade wrote:He's not dead.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I was glad to see a more obscure hardtop thrown in to get killed off, I would do the same
Screenshots from a flashback to the Great War circa 2006. His original Earth body before he changed to his current one in order to go on the run and hide from G.H.O.S.T.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Then what is this?Sabrblade wrote:That didn't happen.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:It's interesting to upgrade Bee into a more G1 look for season two (I think it was)
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Screenshots from a flashback to the Great War circa 2006. His original Earth body before he changed to his current one in order to go on the run and hide from G.H.O.S.T.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Then what is this?Sabrblade wrote:That didn't happen.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:It's interesting to upgrade Bee into a more G1 look for season two (I think it was)
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:That's generic politics I meant political agendas.Sabrblade wrote:Where've you been? Politics have been ingrained in Transformers since the very beginning.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I mean, putting any politics in a kids show is kinda screwed up.
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
Glyph wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:That's generic politics I meant political agendas.Sabrblade wrote:Where've you been? Politics have been ingrained in Transformers since the very beginning.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I mean, putting any politics in a kids show is kinda screwed up.
Ah, right. "Any politics I disagree with," got it.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
Nah bud, I just read the posts I quoted.First-Aid wrote:Any politics. ANY politics. PERIOD. We have to deal with that crap enough in the real world. We shouldn't force the kids to have to deal with our crap. Let them be kids first, THEN they can deal with politics. Your legs must be pretty strong from all that jumping to conclusions...
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
Glyph wrote:Nah bud, I just read the posts I quoted.First-Aid wrote:Any politics. ANY politics. PERIOD. We have to deal with that crap enough in the real world. We shouldn't force the kids to have to deal with our crap. Let them be kids first, THEN they can deal with politics. Your legs must be pretty strong from all that jumping to conclusions...
There's no such thing as a perfectly non-political story, and Transformers has certainly never been an exception.
Geopolitics! Carbombya! Authoritarianism! Just war! Colonialism! LGBT representation! Functionalism!
Or are you suggesting that some of those count as "politics", and others don't?
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
Glyph wrote:Personally, I think it's sad that if people know only one thing about Earthspark, it's probably that the show "drew controversy" by including an explicitly non-binary character - that is, by acknowledging something that exists in the real world, that kids would likely encounter for themselves, and then moving on with the story.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
Which is funny, because "it's the new religion" has pretty much always been my opinion of professional sports, and in fact I think the problem is in the other direction - modern politics being treated like a sports competition, where there's My Team and there's Your Team and only one of us can win, and I'll wrap my identity up in supporting My Team and opposing Your Team.First-Aid wrote:Sports have always been just competition, games. Politics is just so all-permeating anymore. It's the new religion to fight over, figuratively and literally.
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
Glyph wrote:
Anyway, I think we were discussing Earthspark...?
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
Yeah, and there's a political term for all that ruling and conquering Megatron spoke of: "Imperialism". You can't tell me G1 Megatron wasn't an imperialist, because based on all his words and actions he very much was.First-Aid wrote:How many times did we hear Megatron say the phrase "rule the universe"? Seriously. Go on a G1 binge and do a drinking game. Take a shot whenever Megatron says the words "Rule", "conquer", and "destroy". You'll need an ambulance and a liver transplant.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, and there's a political term for all that ruling and conquering Megatron spoke of: "Imperialism". You can't tell me G1 Megatron wasn't an imperialist, because based on all his words and actions he very much was.First-Aid wrote:How many times did we hear Megatron say the phrase "rule the universe"? Seriously. Go on a G1 binge and do a drinking game. Take a shot whenever Megatron says the words "Rule", "conquer", and "destroy". You'll need an ambulance and a liver transplant.
The very concept of someone wanting to conquer and dominate another people or nation (even if it expands across the whole universe) is political in and of itself. The G1 cartoon just heavily simplified the concept so it could sell plastic-and-metal playthings to young minds.
Glyph wrote:I repeat the previous point: whether you see representation as "injecting politics" or "being realistic" largely depends on your worldview, not on the act itself. And media ginning up culture-war ragebait out of every little thing gets clicks and sells TV ads, after all.
First-Aid wrote:Glyph wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:That's generic politics I meant political agendas.Sabrblade wrote:Where've you been? Politics have been ingrained in Transformers since the very beginning.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I mean, putting any politics in a kids show is kinda screwed up.
Ah, right. "Any politics I disagree with," got it.
Any politics. ANY politics. PERIOD. We have to deal with that crap enough in the real world. We shouldn't force the kids to have to deal with our crap. Let them be kids first, THEN they can deal with politics. Your legs must be pretty strong from all that jumping to conclusions...
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:There's a difference between broad political factions and specific ideas that we don't agree on right now. I still don't understand why that is so hard for you to see.
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:THISFirst-Aid wrote:Any politics. ANY politics. PERIOD.
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
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