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TulioDude wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:

But yeah, I personally found some of the jokes inappropriate for the situation, such as that sarcastic quip Meering made when she interrupted Sentinel and Optimus' conversation--the one that went, "...you can't simply bring weapons of mass destruction in our atmosphere. Kinda have to clear customs first, etc."

I dont think that was meant to be joke.

It has to be a joke, at least the last two sentences about clearing customs and that "it's what separates us from the animals" thing. I doubt any sane person actually expects a bunch of Cybertronians to line up at the customs counter to declare their belongings and go through a pat down. And if it wasn't a joke, it was a distasteful, humorless remark.

If she meant that the TF's have to allow humans to check what items they bring to Earth, just say it plain and simple. Trying to make it sound funny by turning it into a joke just annoys me. I can't recall if anyone laughed at that remark in the cinema, [don't think so] but I certainly didn't.

Fact of the matter is, that Meering character has been acting like a two-bit comedienne wannabe from the moment she appeared on screen. In both TF1 and DOTM, there always seems to be a government personnel who acts like they're auditioning for a stand-up comedy gig. IMO besides Jon Voight, Morshower and Banachek, Galloway is the only believable government guy in all three of the movies, because despite his attitude, he doesn't have a habit of acting like Meering and Simmons.

Speaking of Simmons, I like him a lot more as a civilian, because I can believe in a normal guy acting like that. As an agent from a top secret government agency, I doubt his superiors would have tolerated that kind of idiocy.

And yes, I know it's a movie about transforming alien robots, but it's precisely because the premise is so hard to suspend disbelief on that such minor details should be meticulously believable.

Yeah, I know... TL;DR.

Sabrblade wrote:

TulioDude wrote:I dont know,i wasnt much bothered with the jokes.I was like"A joke.Moving on."I guess its more of a opinion thing than a fact thing.

The point is that these movies need more gravitas, more sincerity, less college stoner humor, and less unnecessary humans (keep only the necessary humans, a random guy off the side making some wise-cracks for just one scene is not necessary).

Totally agree with you there. While it's probably a matter of personal taste, I just don't like that kind of humor in my TF movies.

Sabrblade wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:And yes, I know it's a movie about transforming alien robots,

I think a more appropriate phrase would be "a movie about a guy whose life features transforming alien robots."

There's that "It's not a Transformers movie" arguement again. Is it fun living with your head in the sand? Is it at least comfortable?

Seriously, you give the fandom a bad name.

Sabrblade wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:And yes, I know it's a movie about transforming alien robots,

I think a more appropriate phrase would be "a movie about a guy whose life features transforming alien robots."

There's that "It's not a Transformers movie" arguement again. Is it fun living with your head in the sand? Is it at least comfortable?

Seriously, you give the fandom a bad name.

Is it wrong to ask for the bots to be the stars of their own movies? I don't get why some people WANT them to shifted into the background. Seriously, they're the most interesting characters in these movies (barring the Twins, that is), and yet they're used more as plot devices instead of main characters.

When watching Batman or Superman, I want to focus on Bruce Wayne or Clark Kent in the prominent role, not James Gordon or Jimmy Olsen. Why can't the same be applied to these movies?

Just my two cents' worth, but I think it's partly because of the expensive CG and because they needed a human to lead the audience into the world of the transformers--that, sadly, being Shia LeBeuf.

That said, there were so many missed opportunities where they could have injected characterization into the TF's. In TF1, they said something about yanking Arcee from the cast because there wasn't enough screen time to explain gender, and Bay hated her small size. The latter, I can accept. But to say that you need a lot of time to explain TF gender is an excuse for laziness.

They could have easily had Optimus, while intro'ing the Autobots to Sam in the alley, explain that Arcee is one of the last surviving females of their species. While TF's don't procreate, females are needed to temper the aggressiveness of male Cybertronians for a more stable society. Megatron sees this as a hindrance to his ambitions of a military society, and thus ordered the killing of all females.

Oh, and please don't shoot me for adding non-canon stuff into TF mythology. Since Bay's deviated so much from G1, why not just run with it?

With that, you actually ADD characterization to Arcee as well as add a deeper layer to the fabric of TF lore, making it more realistic. Also, in order to save money from CG animation, they could just focus on Sam's bewildered face as OP explains everything. Mikaela could even chime in with her disapproval of Megatron's mysogynist ways, and add help flesh out her character [pun not intended] more as the strong female type.

With a little creativity, they could have added loads of characterization to the TF's without digging too deep into the budget.

There are many other areas where they could have done the same, but I don't think there's enough space in this post for it.

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:

TulioDude wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:

But yeah, I personally found some of the jokes inappropriate for the situation, such as that sarcastic quip Meering made when she interrupted Sentinel and Optimus' conversation--the one that went, "...you can't simply bring weapons of mass destruction in our atmosphere. Kinda have to clear customs first, etc."

I dont think that was meant to be joke.

It has to be a joke, at least the last two sentences about clearing customs and that "it's what separates us from the animals" thing. I doubt any sane person actually expects a bunch of Cybertronians to line up at the customs counter to declare their belongings and go through a pat down. And if it wasn't a joke, it was a distasteful, humorless remark.

I think was the point of her character.To be a douche.

Sabrblade wrote:

TulioDude wrote:I dont know,i wasnt much bothered with the jokes.I was like"A joke.Moving on."I guess its more of a opinion thing than a fact thing.

The point is that these movies need more gravitas, more sincerity, less college stoner humor, and less unnecessary humans (keep only the necessary humans, a random guy off the side making some wise-cracks for just one scene is not necessary).

The whole movie wasnt like that.

Sabrblade wrote:I don't get why some people WANT them to shifted into the background.

He didnt say that.

When watching Batman or Superman, I want to focus on Bruce Wayne or Clark Kent in the prominent role, not James Gordon or Jimmy Olsen. Why can't the same be applied to these movies?

They mostly tell the story of an individual.
I think the problem is you are ignoring others opinions.The movies have flaws?Yes,but that doenst stop them from being enjoyable.

One of the reasons Bumblebee and Sam have much screen time is that Steven Spielberg wanted to tell the story of a boy and his car.

TulioDude wrote:I think was the point of her character.To be a douche.

True.

Although IMO even douche bags should know to sober up during serious situations like these. I dunno, it's just hard to believe that someone in her position should lack the diplomatic skills to talk more respectfully to an alien dignitary [Sentinel].

I don't mind that she talks that way to Lennox since he's just a captain and below her pay-grade, but Sentinel, a much-respected elder among the Autobots, is a totally different story.

Love Transformas film series, but the director said the third one is the end of this series. What a pity!
Do not know whether yours message are true or not, but really hope this film can continue, just looking forword to it!