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GuyIncognito wrote:This isn't a communist system where everyone has an equal right to every product produced. In a capitalist system, some products are going to be unavailable or unaffordable to some of the population. That's life. Deal with it, or move to North Korea where everyone gets the same 1 cup of rice per month. Also, there's a big difference between groceries (a necessity) and toys (a luxury).
Are you so completly clueless that you can't tell a joke when someone is using theBowspearer wrote:Arctorro wrote:]If you want these things so badly then start a convention of your own in Australia and try and sweet talk Hasbro into providing you with some
Do I even need to point out how inexcusable and utterly ignorant your response is?
I could understand it from someone who wasn't a fellow Aussie, but you have no excuse for being unfamiliar with the Australian pop culture convention landscape.
The fact is that just going off the top of my head, between Supanova, Animania, SMASH and most recently, Comic Con alone, there are already plenty of cons here in Oceania that companies like Hasbro could do shared exclusives with when it came to something like SDCC exclusives (with fandom specific cons like Botcon of course, it's a different story).
I'm sure it's a similar story in Europe and other regions.
william-james88 wrote:So that would also be the case for Predaking, who is also six members.
mbd88prime wrote:And of course this is not a communist society, thank god. If I believed in such a thing I would have said that everyone has a right to the SDCC metroplex at the $150 price point.
mbd88prime wrote:I will even admit that one of the great things about a capitalist free market economy is that such a thing as scalpers can exist.
mbd88prime wrote:People can go out and pursue their own means of profit and that could be scalping. But because you can do a thing doesn't mean you should. That is my point there. Go ahead and argue the morality of taking advantage of someone for trying to enjoy what used to be a simple hobby. The villains always think they're the heroes. Always somehow justifying their actions to themselves and trying to do the same to those around them. Maybe this sounds overboard but look, I have a crappy job that I still bust my butt at all day long to pay bills. All I want is to be able to enjoy my hobby but Hasbro with their exclusive crap and scalpers always find a way to make sure that i'm let down and will have to settle for the half- assed retail versions that can't even include a second, probably $1 value gun to make me, the customer, happy.
mbd88prime wrote:One other great thing about a free market capitalist society, when one competitor doesn't do anything to improve it's competition will take advantage of that and take their market share. GO THIRD PARTIES!!!!!
mbd88prime wrote:It would be nice if any one of these third parties had the rights to produce actual transformers in name and in spirit and the economies of scale that Hasbro does then we would have some fun and I could stop at target on the way home and find a retail version of metroplex that is the quality of the SDCC metroplex for less than $150 because the third parties care about the quality of their product and the satisfaction of their customer not just meating their gross margin goal for the quarter....
Arctorro wrote:Are you so completly clueless that you can't tell a joke when someone is using thesmile? No need to be insulting and call me ignorant because you can't get some stupid exclusive
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
mbd88prime wrote:"Except that at least ethically speaking, since most are clearly ripping off designs (go Fansproject for showing how 3rd party SHOULD be done with the Retro Future line) as there is no licensing involved, making it a form of blatant theft on the part of 3rd party companies."
Yeah you're being a bit liberal with the use of the word "most" here dontchya think? The only third party I can think of that rips off has/tak designs is I gear and even they are moving away from that practice.
"That would definitely remove any ethical issues there. I honestly wish Hasbro would look at licensing out to third parties because in so many respects it would allow them to service the adult collector's market with little investment themselves. At some point, Hasbro has to deal with the elephant in the room, and when they do, hopefully there will be licensing deals involved."
YES!! A great idea. HASBRO TAKE NOTES. you rock at kid things you suck at collector things. just let the professionals do the work of pleasing the collectors, you can even still profit from it! Just try it. Its ok.
mbd88prime wrote:bowspearer wrote:"Except that at least ethically speaking, since most are clearly ripping off designs (go Fansproject for showing how 3rd party SHOULD be done with the Retro Future line) as there is no licensing involved, making it a form of blatant theft on the part of 3rd party companies."
Yeah you're being a bit liberal with the use of the word "most" here dontchya think? The only third party I can think of that rips off has/tak designs is I gear and even they are moving away from that practice.
mbd88prime wrote:bowspearer wrote:"And this is a glaring example of this. There is anything but a fine line between servicing a demand and exploitation. Bear in mind that if you translated scalping what people here claim is a "luxury item" to scalping a "necessity", you're in the same ethical territory as the drug warlords in Afghanistan who got hold of essential medical supplies and charged the local population through the teeth for them."
So yeah we're talking about toys and i'm a dissatisfied customer that's it, there is no need to compare me or anyone who's opinion you don't like to drug warlords in Afghanistan. Where do you get off drawing such comparisons? And once more 99.9% of what a supermarket sells is in no way a necessity so you would be the first one to draw such a comparison in this discussion
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
ScottyP wrote:Has anyone else received a shipping notice? 30 hours later and nothing :/
mooncake623 wrote:for the people complaining about not being able to get a Metroplex. Go camp Hasbrotoyshop website and start refreshing the page like everyone else and stop complaining because technically you can still get it. use that energy to score yourself an exclusive.
We are currently shipping to the 50 United States, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, Canada, and APO/FPO addresses. Please note: we cannot ship to a PO Box.
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
Bowspearer wrote:
To quote from HTS:We are currently shipping to the 50 United States, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, Canada, and APO/FPO addresses. Please note: we cannot ship to a PO Box.
In other words, for anyone outside of those territories (Asia, Europe, Africa (including South Africa), the Middle East, most South America and Oceania), their only option is generally going to be being bled dry by scalpers.
sixshot20 wrote:I do not understand why people got so mad about Metroplex. I am just like all the other people who could not find the time to go to SDCC and get Metroplex. I am also one of those people who were not able to get one on HTS. The difference is I didn't start complaining after that, I went on ebay and bid on one and you know what I only had to pay 80 dollars more than retail. I am fine with that because as Seibertron said this thing ended up costing closer to around 200$. The guy who I bought it off was really cool as well. He was just a Comic Con fan who wasn't interested in transformers and bought one to help make some money back from all the things he bought for himself. I did not have to spend money on a flight, hotel room, and food.I don't see my purchase as me overpaying, I see it as me saving allot of time and money.
mooncake623 wrote:ScottyP wrote:Has anyone else received a shipping notice? 30 hours later and nothing :/
I haven't received my shipping notice either. I believe they are going through everyone's account and canceling all the orders of people ordering more then one of the one limited exclusives. There hasn't been any restock of cancel orders yet and I believe people are still camping hoping for these restocks. I think once they cancel all the orders of people trying to cheap the system and post the restocks they will start shipping these out all together.
mooncake623 wrote:Bowspearer wrote:
To quote from HTS:We are currently shipping to the 50 United States, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, Canada, and APO/FPO addresses. Please note: we cannot ship to a PO Box.
In other words, for anyone outside of those territories (Asia, Europe, Africa (including South Africa), the Middle East, most South America and Oceania), their only option is generally going to be being bled dry by scalpers.
No Hasbro got you covered!![]()
http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=HAS23059&mode=retail or
http://www.robotkingdom.com/services/eshop/main.php?action=details&CatType=&II=TF2013METROACG&lang=us&CatID=
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
mbd88prime wrote:BTW Seibertron I love your website, I do not mean to pick on you in particular yours was simply the first comment I saw that I felt the need to respond to. I also appreciate that you are not so full of yourself that you won't kick someone off for having a different opinion than your own. Most of my anger that you will clearly detect in my posts on this subject is directed at scalpers and Hasbro in general not YOU in particular. I simply haven't got the ability to not say how I feel about things that make me so angry and I'm really angry about and tired of being taken advantage of by fellow transfans and ignored as a customer by Hasbro when all I wanna do is buy a cool toy (not a half assed underpainted underaccessorized substitute)
mbd88prime wrote:When did this become so complicated. If it had been this way when I was a kid I would never have gotten into Transformers! When did the whole exclusive thing and scalping thing start?![]()
Seibertron wrote:I hope some of you will read what I wrote and try to understand the other side of the coin, that there is a bigger picture to all of this than many think about and try to realize that not everyone who flips products to make a few bucks is a bad guy (not to mention that "a few bucks" is also a relative term with different meanings to all of you).
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
Bowspearer wrote:Seibertron wrote:I hope some of you will read what I wrote and try to understand the other side of the coin, that there is a bigger picture to all of this than many think about and try to realize that not everyone who flips products to make a few bucks is a bad guy (not to mention that "a few bucks" is also a relative term with different meanings to all of you).
Except that some of us here do understand that - the issue is what someone's approach is in doing so.
Let's face it, there are 2 ways it could go - the first being the capitalist approach, best summed up as "I have something you need/want? Great, let's work together to find a solution that's mutually beneficial." In that approach, a reasonable price is charged, the seller feels like they've covered their time and money and made a little bit of money, and the buyer feels like they've gotten the item for a reasonable price. I can't imagine many people would begrudge a fellow fan taking this approach.
However the other approach is the free market approach and considering we're seeing 100%+ markups on the secondary market (eg BBTS) for convention exclusives, that's the approach that is clearly in play here. That approach is best summed up by "I've got something you need/want? Great, then hand me that machette, because I'm going to bleed you dry." In this approach, it's not about a reasonable exchange, it's about the seller abusing an oligopaly on a product and bleeding people dry with it. The buyer might get something they want. but they walk away feeling screwed over, whilst the seller laughs all the way to the bank, knowing they've screwed the seller over.
It's the later of these which is driving secondary market prices and the reason so many people are ticked off..
Pigbeard wrote:SDCC items should be shipping now, mine was out at 8:03am today.
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