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Leonardo wrote:I'll still see the movie. I don't think I'll enjoy it, but I'll take what I can from it, then go home and re-read my comics.

But then you've gone and financially supported a green light to warrant the making of a sequel!
To something you don't like!

AAAAGH! You're falling for it!

Pardon me... I'm going to go bang my head into the wall now.
I'm not stopping till I see red.
It's been fun.

But I do the same when I buy any of the toys. I pay money for something I don't need, they make a profit and make more. That's consumerism. We all do it. That's how our society works. I've learnt to live with that. I won't know whether I like or dislike the film until I've seen it. That's how I plan on making an informed decision.

If it's rubbish and they make a sequel, then I'll think twice before I go and see the second film. But them spending money on a sequel doesn't affect me, even if it is rubbish. What's wrong with them making a sequel? Why is that so bad? It is, after all, just a movie. I won't begrudge them my £10.00 ticket fare.

I don't see how I'm falling for anything.

May jump in on the dead horse beating? There has never been a reiteration of Ironhide, Jazz, or ratchett. Because of legal reasons, but The Berg saw reason to pay whatever needed to be paid to at least have these strictly G1 bots in the movie so Why do these G1 bots have to re imagined past the point of recognition? What makes the Head designs, color schemes, and alt modes any more realistic.

I don't think they are realistic, in as far as we've never had contact with alien robots that transform into vehicles! I don't even know if the transformations are realistic; from what I've seen they seem to just blur when they transform, so I can't really tell.

That said, I don't think these characters have been redesigned beyond the point of recognition. Even if they were redesigned from the bottom up and they came out completely different, I don't see a problem with it.

Even so, I don't see why they need to be redesigned, either, apart from the aforementioned need to steer away from blocky designs.

Phategod1 wrote:May jump in on hte dead horse beating? There has never been a reiteration of Ironhide, Jazz, or ratchett. Because of legal reasons, but The Berg saw reason to pay whatever needed to be paid to at least have these stricly G1 bots in the movie so Why do these G1 bots have to reimagined past the point of recognition? What makes the Head designs, color schemes, and alt modes any more realistic.

I was wondering when you'd show up. You shouldn't have sent a flea to do a god's job.

There are some G1 robots and some that aren't. Just like other incarnations had Prowl and Sideburn, or Rodimus and Armorhide, or Red Alert and Hot Shot. Same difference.

Wheres that "Beat a dead horse gif" at dammit!

Chris™ wrote:Wheres that "Beat a dead horse gif" at dammit!

Lost with all the "More Than Just A Name" sigs.

Leonardo wrote:

Chris™ wrote:Wheres that "Beat a dead horse gif" at dammit!

Lost with all the "More Than Just A Name" sigs.

So true, So true. Why can't people just accept that "this ain't your daddies Transformers"

Chris™ wrote:

Leonardo wrote:

Chris™ wrote:Wheres that "Beat a dead horse gif" at dammit!

Lost with all the "More Than Just A Name" sigs.

So true, So true. Why can't people just accept that "this ain't your daddies Transformers"

Leonardo wrote:But no, I don't think they are the only alternative to blocky designs. What should they have done, though? Less wiring, internal components? Less complex transformations? I don't think these are necessarily better designs than other ideas that may or may not have been rejected, but I'm not 100% convinced that they're any worse than any other designs, either.

In my opinion, it's not a question of better or worse, more better or worse for Transformers.

I love MP Prime and don't rate most Gundams.
However, as much as I prefer Prime, he makes a lousy Gundam as Gundam designs have their own look and feel, a visual identity of their own.
This is in part what the name represents.

Like I said, I do think most of the movie TFs look like Transformers; Starscream (minus head) and Blackout in particular do mix new styling with old very well.

But others; most notably Megatron and Frenzy may or may not make good robots of some kind, but if you judge them by the look defined by the Transformers name, that whole diaclone/microman mix which is part of the reason it stood out as it has, it's a totally different story.

Some people aren't fans of all mech; they like just Gundam or Macross or Transformers because of their unique identities.
It's as essential as the personalities or the mythos and they hold things up to the identity it created.
And imo, they're not wrong for doing so.

Okay, that seems fair. I suppose the question then becomes, what designs would work? If these don't, and the blocky toy designs don't, what would be a good halfway point? Would these current body designs work if they had more familiar heads on? Or, is there another type of robot - TF or not - that looks like the kind of thing that both could be in this movie and could be in keeping with Transformers' own style?

Leonardo wrote:Okay, that seems fair. I suppose the question then becomes, what designs would work? If these don't, and the blocky toy designs don't, what would be a good halfway point? Would these current body designs work if they had more familiar heads on? Or, is there another type of robot - TF or not - that looks like the kind of thing that both could be in this movie and could be in keeping with Transformers' own style?

Blocky designs I could careless either way, but would it have been too hard to keep the head designs, color schemes, and over all theme of the alt modes. I'm sure GM makes some crappy compact cars too and how much would have really cost to get a italian Super car for Jazz. But these gripes pale in comparison to the script that Bay has admitted still follows those beats.

Phategod1 wrote:

Leonardo wrote:Okay, that seems fair. I suppose the question then becomes, what designs would work? If these don't, and the blocky toy designs don't, what would be a good halfway point? Would these current body designs work if they had more familiar heads on? Or, is there another type of robot - TF or not - that looks like the kind of thing that both could be in this movie and could be in keeping with Transformers' own style?

Blocky designs I could careless either way, but would it have been too hard to keep the head designs, color schemes, and over all theme of the alt modes. I'm sure GM makes some crappy compact cars too and how much would have really cost to get a italian Super car for Jazz. But these gripes pale in comparison to the script that Bay has admitted still follows those beats.

Yes, the script itself is the major thing I'm not looking forward to!

Hey Milanion our newspapers Have been glossing over transformers left and right. In a metro article they talk about the summer blockbusters, not one mention in a article, in the Daily News today again not a peep. But both mentioned "Evan Almighty" whats the deal with that philly papers?

Phategod1 wrote:Hey Milanion our newspapers Have been glossing over transformers left and right. In a metro article they talk about the summer blockbusters, not one mention in a article, in the Daily News today again not a peep. But both mentioned "Evan Almighty" whats the deal with that philly papers?

They're only good for sopping up cheesesteak grease

Hot_Rod wrote:Oh and another thing... how does giving them claws for hands and arms make them look "realistic" and work for the big screen?

I much prefered the robot hands we have long been used to. I would have thought that would be a no brainer to translate to live action because it seemed to make more sense in any realm.

In Bays reality opposable thumbs are not the forefront of Human evolution and one day we will all have Claws and we'll be known as Crab people.

EDIT in related news I read the revised script and the decepticons will be defeated By there inability to complete standardized Public school tests (They cant hold pencils)

Hot_Rod wrote:The problem is they didn't even try. They just threw everything out the window. So while it still would have been revolutionary and more spectacular to see a Transformers design (in the sense that we have known them as) in live action, they desided to just re-invent the wheel and it even looks as though they were just trying to make a horror movie or something. Most of the designs we are getting look nothing more than organic monsters in some photos. They are supposed to be Robots in Disguise!

How are they not robots in disguise? They're robots that turn into vehicles as disguises.

As for the story, I already made my point about that in a previous post. Bumblbee is supposed to be the weakest of all Autobots and specializes in Espionage and can actually talk to humans. Starscream is supposed be an ambition filled back stabbing oppurtunist. Jazz is supposed to be a big music loving party guy as well as second in command. Optimus Prime is not supposed to have any ounce of flamboyance in him and is supposed to be noble....

Why do they have to be? Why can't the characters ever change in any way? And I thought the character bios had all four of them like that anyway, except Bumblebee can't talk. Plus, Prime had moments of flamboyance in the original series.

Oh and another thing... how does giving them claws for hands and arms make them look "realistic" and work for the big screen?

Not all of the Decepticons even have claws. Starscream doesn't in the newest pictures. And how does giving them opposable thumbs make them look "realistic" and work on the big screen?

Unless anyone here as actually encountered an alien robot that transforms into a vehicle, I don't think we can really state what's realistic. Either claws or hands could be, but at the moment it's all speculation because it's fantasy. This film may have realism, but it doesn't have to be realistic.

Again, these templates of what the characters should be seems to stem from their G1 bios. Why should they be anything like that? Why should Bumblebee be the smallest? Why should he be the "weakest"?

Hot_Rod wrote:

The bottom line is they could have taken an anotomical blueprint of an actual human being with muscles and veins and all, and then applies those blue prints to a mechanical structure by using many pieces of metal plates with joints, little pistons, wires, hydrolics etc and all that to use as the muscular structure (in human terms) for the robot's faces. They could have translated a humans facial anatomy into mechanical materials. If there was enough joints/wires and the right measurements of panels, they could have created a more traditional design, brought it to life, and made it work for live action realism.

Erm....ever considered the fact that ALIENS wouldnt base their own self image on a human being, especially since said aliens have come from another planet and probably never seen humans before?

They are supposed to look alien, hence why they are called
aliens.

Sonray wrote:

Hot_Rod wrote:

The bottom line is they could have taken an anotomical blueprint of an actual human being with muscles and veins and all, and then applies those blue prints to a mechanical structure by using many pieces of metal plates with joints, little pistons, wires, hydrolics etc and all that to use as the muscular structure (in human terms) for the robot's faces. They could have translated a humans facial anatomy into mechanical materials. If there was enough joints/wires and the right measurements of panels, they could have created a more traditional design, brought it to life, and made it work for live action realism.

Erm....ever considered the fact that ALIENS wouldnt base their own self image on a human being, especially since said aliens have come from another planet and probably never seen humans before?

They are supposed to look alien, hence why they are called
aliens.

That kind of blow reberto orci's idea for adding lips out of water. which was something to the effect -that you would freak out less because they more resemble humans by having lips.

Phategod1 wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Hot_Rod wrote:

The bottom line is they could have taken an anotomical blueprint of an actual human being with muscles and veins and all, and then applies those blue prints to a mechanical structure by using many pieces of metal plates with joints, little pistons, wires, hydrolics etc and all that to use as the muscular structure (in human terms) for the robot's faces. They could have translated a humans facial anatomy into mechanical materials. If there was enough joints/wires and the right measurements of panels, they could have created a more traditional design, brought it to life, and made it work for live action realism.

Erm....ever considered the fact that ALIENS wouldnt base their own self image on a human being, especially since said aliens have come from another planet and probably never seen humans before?

They are supposed to look alien, hence why they are called
aliens.

That kind of blow reberto orci's idea for adding lips out of water. which was something to the effect -that you would freak out less because they more resemble humans by having lips.

Why cant aliens have lips? You think we are the only life form that has lips? Dogs have lips, cats have lips, they just dont use them the same way we do.

Why wouldnt other sentient beings have lips?

Erm....ever considered the fact that ALIENS wouldnt base their own self image on a human being, especially since said aliens have come from another planet and probably never seen humans before?

Of course not; they'd rather make themselves look like bulls and scorpions. But not dinosaurs, because that would just be silly.

The script is simultaneously my biggest dread and only hope. While I dislike quite a bit of what I've seen, I've seen nothing that can't be saved by a solid script. Of course, the opposite is also true; if the script is bad, it'll take the film down faster than any cosmetic alteration ever could.

Sonray wrote:

Phategod1 wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Hot_Rod wrote:

The bottom line is they could have taken an anotomical blueprint of an actual human being with muscles and veins and all, and then applies those blue prints to a mechanical structure by using many pieces of metal plates with joints, little pistons, wires, hydrolics etc and all that to use as the muscular structure (in human terms) for the robot's faces. They could have translated a humans facial anatomy into mechanical materials. If there was enough joints/wires and the right measurements of panels, they could have created a more traditional design, brought it to life, and made it work for live action realism.

Erm....ever considered the fact that ALIENS wouldnt base their own self image on a human being, especially since said aliens have come from another planet and probably never seen humans before?

They are supposed to look alien, hence why they are called
aliens.

That kind of blow reberto orci's idea for adding lips out of water. which was something to the effect -that you would freak out less because they more resemble humans by having lips.

Why cant aliens have lips? You think we are the only life form that has lips? Dogs have lips, cats have lips, they just dont use them the same way we do.

Why wouldnt other sentient beings have lips?

(In a futile attempt not to beat the dead horse) You kind of prove your own point You say they dont have to match us because there alien, whether it be thumbs or lips, or the lack there of, If its for the sake of making them look "ALIEN" You can't change the stance of your own arguement for the sake of convienance.