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amtm wrote:It's pretty sad when a half hour cartoon can tell a story better than a 2.5 hour film.

Quoted for truth.

These movies treat the audience like dimwits, which we are not. We are smarter than that and deserve more respectable movies that don't insult our IQs.

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Anyone who thinks Bay made good TF movies doesn't know crap about good story telling. I give him all the credit for the visuals (minus the god awful robot designs and too close camera angles).

Last time I checked, a Transformers movie was supposed to be about, you know, the TRANSFORMERS. Not some dumb kid. I have asked every friend I have who didn't know crap about Transformers before the movie to give me character descriptions of any Transformer that was longer than 1 sentence.

# of them that could accomplish that very simple task: 0


THAT'S NOT GOOD STORYTELLING!!!

(Rage dump)

Sabrblade wrote:Seriously, none of these movies gave me any reasons why I should even care about who lives and who dies.

• Ironhide's murder by Sentinel? Barely knew him anyway.
• Megatron's deaths? Predictable.
• Optimus Prime's impalement? Typical.
• Sentinel Prime's death? Hey, it's only making Opitmus look more cold.
• Starscream's death? Pitiful.
• Jazz's death? Brushed off as though it were nothing.
• The Fallen's death? Abrupt.
• Jetfire's sacrifice? Noble, but he wasn't gonna last much longer at his age.
• Laserbeak's death? Kinda cool, but a savage like him wouldn't dare be kept alive by the writers.
• Any other Decepticons' deaths? Mere Redshirts.

There's something to be said about a film when the audience doesn't empathize with its (would-be) main stars.

I wanted to like these bots, but these films kept trying to sell Shia and his lover interests instead.

There is more to the TFs that mindless robot battling. Much more. 25+ years of lore are proof of that.

Thaaank you.

well if it's not bay then who? A poor mans bay like Mcg or brent ratner? I can't imagine they're going to go in a much different directiion. let's be real the forth installment is not often a very good one. Exhibit a the phantom menace exhibit b x-men origins wolverine exhibit c batman and robin. I could continue ( superman 4 anybody?) I doubt they're getting james cameron or ridley scott. Bay is ok. More of the same. As far as I'm concerned this is bay's to ruin (more) or fix like revenge of the sith.

I think Bay is tentative to make another movie after what he did to the third movie. He didn't think he would be asked to make a fourth and made it vary hard for another sequel.
With Cybertron destroyed and most of the Decepticons there isn't anything to fight for now.
I think most of the car licenses were being a pain on the last movie too so if they do a fourth they might have to choose different cars and may as well just reboot the franchise.

ninjascythe79 wrote:well if it's not bay then who? A poor mans bay like Mcg or brent ratner? I can't imagine they're going to go in a much different directiion. let's be real the forth installment is not often a very good one. Exhibit a the phantom menace exhibit b x-men origins wolverine exhibit c batman and robin. I could continue ( superman 4 anybody?) I doubt they're getting james cameron or ridley scott. Bay is ok. More of the same. As far as I'm concerned this is bay's to ruin (more) or fix like revenge of the sith.

Try Chris Nolan. Or Joe Johnston. Or Jon Favreau. Or J. J. Abrams. Alfonso Cuarón. Kurt Wimmer. Michael Mann. Duncan Jones. Bryan Singer. Ridley Scott. Peter Jackson. Neill Blomkamp. Gore Verbinski. Guillermo del Toro. Edward Zwick. Or hey, have Spielberg himself direct it.

Sabrblade wrote:

amtm wrote:It's pretty sad when a half hour cartoon can tell a story better than a 2.5 hour film.

Quoted for truth.

These movies treat the audience like dimwits, which we are not. We are smarter than that and deserve more respectable movies that don't insult our IQs.

Quoted for opinion.

On which I don't agree. TF Has never been about anything then selling toys and a batch of other stuff. If not for that, we'd have no TF's. It's exaclty what meets the eye.

Sabrblade wrote:

ninjascythe79 wrote:well if it's not bay then who? A poor mans bay like Mcg or brent ratner? I can't imagine they're going to go in a much different directiion. let's be real the forth installment is not often a very good one. Exhibit a the phantom menace exhibit b x-men origins wolverine exhibit c batman and robin. I could continue ( superman 4 anybody?) I doubt they're getting james cameron or ridley scott. Bay is ok. More of the same. As far as I'm concerned this is bay's to ruin (more) or fix like revenge of the sith.

Try Chris Nolan. Or Joe Johnston. Or Jon Favreau. Or J. J. Abrams. Alfonso Cuarón. Kurt Wimmer. Michael Mann. Duncan Jones. Bryan Singer. Ridley Scott. Peter Jackson. Neill Blomkamp. Gore Verbinski. Guillermo del Toro. Edward Zwick. Or hey, have Spielberg himself direct it.

J.J. Abrams always has great buildups, but he's got to learn how to properly finish his movies, haha. I'd love to see Guillermo del Toro do Transformers.. that'd be one unique flick.

RhA... I just love that your current rank is "Head master"
But I'd have to disagree with you about the show being just about selling merch.
The reason for its existence might be that (okay, it is), but the story writers who wrote for the toon actually needed to work, and they were able to be creative in their work, using the already fabricated moving pieces that came before the story they were about to write. The output that is each toon from the 80s were a result of the slick/futuristic/sci fi elements of the time. At the end of the day, I guarantee you each writer had a connection with the episode he wrote, and as he wrote it, wasn't thinkin about the money side of things.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

ninjascythe79 wrote:well if it's not bay then who? A poor mans bay like Mcg or brent ratner? I can't imagine they're going to go in a much different directiion. let's be real the forth installment is not often a very good one. Exhibit a the phantom menace exhibit b x-men origins wolverine exhibit c batman and robin. I could continue ( superman 4 anybody?) I doubt they're getting james cameron or ridley scott. Bay is ok. More of the same. As far as I'm concerned this is bay's to ruin (more) or fix like revenge of the sith.

Try Chris Nolan. Or Joe Johnston. Or Jon Favreau. Or J. J. Abrams. Alfonso Cuarón. Kurt Wimmer. Michael Mann. Duncan Jones. Bryan Singer. Ridley Scott. Peter Jackson. Neill Blomkamp. Gore Verbinski. Guillermo del Toro. Edward Zwick. Or hey, have Spielberg himself direct it.

J.J. Abrams always has great buildups, but he's got to learn how to properly finish his movies, haha. I'd love to see Guillermo del Toro do Transformers.. that'd be one unique flick.

RhA... I just love that your current rank is "Head master"

I'm holding out for 'Breastmaster'.

RhA wrote:TF Has never been about anything then selling toys and a batch of other stuff.

Tell that to all the great stories out there that weren't about toy gimmicks or marketing. As well as all the non-toy characters.